The paint shop is striping my car tomorrow and I'm looking for placement dimensions.
The stripes are still on the quarter which helps but the motor is out making the car ride a little uphill
Right now so I want to make sure they get them right.
Anyone have any measurements from the bottom of the door or anything for the front fender?
Thanks
Quote from: mtdubvee on July 18, 2019, 10:05:13 PM
The paint shop is striping my car tomorrow and I'm looking for placement dimensions.
The stripes are still on the quarter which helps but the motor is out making the car ride a little uphill
Right now so I want to make sure they get them right.
Anyone have any measurements from the bottom of the door or anything for the front fender?
Thanks
If you are piecing in a stripe kit with a existing stripe still on the quarter you are making a big mistake IMO. The reflective properties of the tape of the new stripe may not match that of the existing plus it may have been done wrong in the past etc. You will not be able to tell the reflective match or not unless in the dark with a light shining on it. New stripe kits that are not pieced together have the reflecting properties indexed in the same direction. You should not short cut putting on a 69/70 Shelby stripe IMO. You are asking for problems. No measurements needed from the bottom of the door . The GT350/500 should be centered in the scoop of the front fender and extends in a straight line all of the way back to the rear quarter where the wide part of the stripe splits the rear marker light opening. Those two points determine the straight line. The factory opened up the hole for the marker light by slicing a X in the stripe and folding the pie shape stripe pieces back on the trunk side of the opening. About a 1/4 -1/2 inch or so of stripe material is folded in on the back side of the fender, both edges of the door and the door jam. From the factory the folded over stripe edges were wiped with yellow contact cement to keep the edges glued down . To recap ,the most common stripe mistakes are that they are not straight ,not centered in the front scoop , the stripe does not split the rear marker light , the marker light hole is cut clean instead of the pie shapes folded in on the trunk side and all of the edges of the stripes that are folded over on the fenders doors etc. should be sealed with a visible coating of yellow contact cement. Yes the cement can be seen as messy but if you want it done like the factory it needs to be visible to a small extent. If you don't like it do it your own way it just will not be like the factory way. It is of course the owners/resto shop's choice.
Thank you very much.
QuoteThe GT350/500 should be centered in the scoop of the front fender and extends in a straight line all of the way back to the rear quarter where the wide part of the stripe splits the rear marker light opening.
+1...
I can't understand why so many people the marker light with the center stripe, but it seems more people miss the mark than hit it. :-[
TOB
Here's a good look at an original car for a visual. I was curious after Bob's explanation to visualize it-
https://www.legendarymotorcar.com/inventory/1969-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-1439.aspx
Quote from: TOBKOB on July 19, 2019, 09:01:49 AM
QuoteThe GT350/500 should be centered in the scoop of the front fender and extends in a straight line all of the way back to the rear quarter where the wide part of the stripe splits the rear marker light opening.
+1...
I can't understand why so many people the marker light with the center stripe, but it seems more people miss the mark than hit it. :-[
TOB
+1. It is hard to look at when I see a perfectly restored 69/70 shelby with the stripe nowhere close to the center of the rear marker light. Such a shame.
So then these original stripes were installed wrong?
Sharing just a few original pictures of some new or original (1) examples. Have plenty more ;)
Most have been posted at some time in the past on this site
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-190719200237.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-190719195552.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-190719200152.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-190719200207.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-190719200221.jpeg)
So it looks like some variations do exist, thanks Jeff. 8)
Well, they were done by people ;)
Quote from: Bill on July 19, 2019, 08:43:59 PM
So it looks like some variations do exist, thanks Jeff. 8)
Not only that, I'll bet there are a bunch of original cars where the left side doesn't match the right side? Did they talk?
I was only doing the doors and fenders because only the doors and fenders were painted and the rest of the car is original paint and stripes.
They did it today. It turned out really good. If and when the rest of the car is painted I'll stripe the rest.
For now it turned out great for what we were doing.
Quote from: Bill on July 19, 2019, 08:43:59 PM
So it looks like some variations do exist, thanks Jeff. 8)
Like many details there is a range of what is typically seen and acceptable to most. It's when someones claim or findings that fall outside of that range that things become an issue and owners have to choose to reproduce (if they are certain the detail is original) what may be seen as a defect or fall into the range.
The vast amount of cars I have pictures of are very close as illustrated above. Glad to always help with pictures when I can
Photo (and print) your originals for future reference
Quote from: J_Speegle on July 19, 2019, 10:57:48 PM
Quote from: Bill on July 19, 2019, 08:43:59 PM
So it looks like some variations do exist, thanks Jeff. 8)
Like many details there is a range of what is typically seen and acceptable to most. It's when someones claim or findings that fall outside of that range that things become an issue and owners have to choose to reproduce (if they are certain the detail is original) what may be seen as a defect or fall into the range.
The vast amount of cars I have pictures of are very close as illustrated above. Glad to always help with pictures when I can
Jeff (Bob, Ed, Tim),
Do you have any "feelings" or observations on the small stripe extensions past the rear quarter as shown in my pictures above. I had never seen them before and actually left them off of 1584 when reinstalling the stripes. Do you have any pictures similar? Or was whomever was installing the stripes that day feeling creative? I ask as I may eventually strip the car back down and redo the bodywork and paint......
Thanks in advance,
Bill
Nice car, but the off-center stripe on the side marker light ruins it for me. De-stripe and try again. This isn't a Pinto.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/273937388692?ul_noapp=true
I never noticed this side marker lamp issue with the stripes before, but I do now! So the stripe is to be centered in the middle of the front scoop and the rear marker?
Quote from: SNAKEBIT on July 24, 2019, 02:03:53 PM
I never noticed this side marker lamp issue with the stripes before, but I do now! So the stripe is to be centered in the middle of the front scoop and the rear marker?
Yes. re read reply #1
If you notice, the left side stripe doesn't match the right. One brake scoop it wraps around, the other it's trimmed short of that.
Not only are the stripes not centered through the rear reflector, they aren't equally spaced.
It is such a dominant park of a 69/70 that I have found the eye is quickly drawn to a misapplication.
original paint car
Quote from: Stillakid54 on July 24, 2019, 08:53:59 PM
It is such a dominant park of a 69/70 that I have found the eye is quickly drawn to a misapplication.
Yes, first thing I see and would feel the need to correct if I had a '69/70 Shelby, but others may feel differently and I can believe there was some "variation" at Ionia.
Quote from: JD on July 24, 2019, 11:24:44 PM
Quote from: Stillakid54 on July 24, 2019, 08:53:59 PM
It is such a dominant park of a 69/70 that I have found the eye is quickly drawn to a misapplication.
Yes, first thing I see and would feel the need to correct if I had a '69/70 Shelby, but others may feel differently and I can believe there was some "variation" at Ionia.
Yes, human error played a big part of the variations seen on 69/70 Shelby stripes . I have seen some terribly crooked original stripes as well as ones that were not centered well. I understand that there was a person on ether side of the car and they had to put the strips on in under 5 minutes. With all that said they visually look best and were engineered to be centered as I described.
Bill the rear stripe was originally one piece not a small separate piece on the endcap like in your photo of orange car. Are u sure your stripes in your photos were put on in 1969?
Quote from: Special Ed on July 25, 2019, 10:03:13 AM
Bill the rear stripe was originally one piece not a small separate piece on the endcap like in your photo of orange car. Are u sure your stripes in your photos were put on in 1969?
Given the age of the car, and the fact I am the 3rd owner, I cannot say