I just learned there is a "early" stripe difference for the stripes on '67 500's is that true and does anyone know what the cut off would be for the later?
If you mean the rocker stripes with the models designation - Never heard of that, others may know better.
Quote from: JD on August 10, 2019, 06:05:08 PM
If you mean the rocker stripes with the models designation - Never heard of that, others may know better.
I'm with you. ;)
Quote from: tonys_shelby on August 10, 2019, 03:18:57 PM
I just learned there is a "early" stripe difference.....
Hmm. All ears ::)
Quote from: tonys_shelby on August 10, 2019, 03:18:57 PM
I just learned there is a "early" stripe difference for the stripes on '67 500's is that true and does anyone know what the cut off would be for the later?
Where did you hear that? I never heard anyone phrase it that way?
I claim that my 68 GT350 had a different color stripe on it when I bought it in '72. It was a lighter metallic blue then the current replacement color or even the S2MS Ford service part that I bought over the counter in '75. That was ok, because I didn't like the original since it was different then the 66 stripes.
I also saw that color on a local KR. I can't prove it but if I knew there was going to have been any kind of controversy I would have documented it.
I didn't even have a 35mm camera then. I was shooting pics out of a 110 and whatever prints survived have turned odd colors due to the labs using Fugi processes on Kodak film. Even the slides are fading and getting weird.
Maybe it's just from the exposure to the lead in the air from the car exhausts? Hum? :o
Perhaps you mean in the Font of the "GT 350/500" indentification. Then I'd say it seems it was corrected in the current crop of repop stripes. Or so they said.
Scott Drake started making rocker stripes that are specifically for 1967 and they have an early or late set that they say are different. But I've never heard of a difference either.
Quote from: tonys_shelby on August 11, 2019, 07:55:57 PM
Scott Drake started making rocker stripes that are specifically for 1967 and they have an early or late set that they say are different. But I've never heard of a difference either.
At best one is right and one is wrong . At worst both are wrong. ::)
Bob, are you saying basically don't worry about it, put the rocker stripes for either one?
Scott Drake doesn't have a history of being particularly accurate with their reproduction parts.
Perhaps they are trying to differentiate between 1967 and 1968 stripes?
Quote from: tonys_shelby on August 11, 2019, 08:33:11 PM
Bob, are you saying basically don't worry about it, put the rocker stripes for either one?
I have not examined any of the so called early late stripes Scott Drake sells . I was unaware that Scott Drake offered a stripe for 67 Shelby. I am saying it is a crap shoot with the Scott Drake ones. You may win but more likely lose given the early late confusion. I haven't had a incentive to check the Scott Drake stripes even if I was aware of them given the 67 ones Branda sells have been spot on in the past. I compared those to genuine survivor stripes in the past. I don't have any reason to believe that the Branda ones have changed.
Maybe by "early" they mean cars made up to and through July 1967 and by late, they mean those cars made from August/September through December 31st 1967.
;D
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 11, 2019, 08:51:27 PM
I have not examined any of the so called early late stripes Scott Drake sells . I was unaware that Scott Drake offered a stripe for 67 Shelby. I am saying it is a crap shoot with the Scott Drake ones. You may win but more likely lose given the early late confusion. I haven't had a incentive to check the Scott Drake stripes even if I was aware of them given the 67 ones Branda sells have been spot on in the past. I compared those to genuine survivor stripes in the past. I don't have any reason to believe that the Branda ones have changed.
Nothing against SD - but I too would get the Branda offerings for '67 GT350 or GT500.
Ok that's great information thanks. I'll go with Branda
The SD page says that there is a "minor" difference with the fender portion of the stripe. I'd like to know what that is exactly.
They are showing a Shelby Licensed sticker with them.
In looking on their web page I happened to notice their offerings of both the 14" and 15" ten spokes.
Both are listed as being clear coated. No other information is stated such as having the cast in spacers or the original casting id's. Maybe here is another variety that should be added to the list?
On Forum 1.1, I was called out for selling 68 dynamite sticks on ebay. Scott personally joined in the feeding frenzy claiming among other things, that he has millions of dollars invested in his highly accurate reproductions and his were exact. Good for you Scott. Much of your reproduction is really great.
I do give him credit for his efforts BUT this is a guy that after selling something like power steering pump paint for like 20 years it is STILL wrong, not even close. His tech guy said something like, "oh yea, we're still working on that one."
So, if he wants to debate his 100% accuracy on this stuff he should avoid that confrontation since he is the one that is going to be embarrassed by his lack of accuracy on many an item by item basis. He can be highly accurate but not always and he will get some dents in his shining armor if he wants to debate it. ;)
So the point of this post by me is not to start a pissing contest but to make the comment, do your own investigation on his claims of accuracy. Sometimes he's the only one that believes that? You the purchaser will have to decide.
It MAY BE THAT the difference in the two stripes Drake is selling as early/late, is in the application of the stripe on the fender. On the '67 there is no center stripe shown between the logo and the door side of the fender. On the '68 there is.
He may have had them manufactured that way where there is a left side and a right side fender stripe. Inquire with Scott Drake and ask what the difference is.
I personally have never heard of the very late 67s having their stripes applied like the '68s but that
discussion has never come up as far as I know?
I ran into this already and what Doug mentioned is the case. The stripe was designed to sit centered on the lower fender instead of .500 from the door jam edge to the rear. I sent them back also because the two smaller strips were inconsistent widths. I bought from Branda and returned the Drake stripes.
-Keith
Maybe someone will correct me, but I believe Scott Drake sold the company?
Regardless, If you are interested in authencity, relying on a person with a vested interest in making money off you, is not a good strategy
Seriously, anyone selling anything has a vested interest in making money off you. Otherwise, their business would cease to exist, no?
I called SD yesterday. Their explanation, not mine, is that the fender portion of the "early 67 stripe, has only two stripes instead of three".
That's their wording. Granted that they have so many products offered that there is a lacking in expertise on each specific one.
The actual explanation is highly likely what I said previously, that it has to do with the application of the stripe with no center stripe on a 67 between the logo and the edge of the fender on the door side. I suppose that was too complex and perhaps esoteric for the SD Tech guy to explain?
IF that is the case you can use the 68 stripe and just eliminate that portion of the stripe in the installation.
That as I remember also un-centers the logo on a '67?
Quoteeriously, anyone selling anything has a vested interest in making money off you. Otherwise, their business would cease to exist, no?
My point is...you should not be relying on a single source, the seller, for your information.
Pretty sure the 1967s all used the same stripe kit
I'm betting there is no "early" or "late" and it is a ploy to get people to start buying stripes they don't need. I've looked at a lot of original pictures and could not tell a difference. That's what I started asking you guys the experts. Witch resulted in me sending the ones I got back to NPD made by SD and ordered the Branda's
Here is a final point from me. I still see "NOS" stripes occasionally on Ebay. Nice, they're selling them because the adhesive looses it's bond. Making the stripes useless
I used a NOS set last summer and they were fine. NOS kits could be 50+ years old or less than 30 depending on when they were made. I'm not sure when Ford discontinued selling them. Condition can vary greatly by how they were stored, too.
Who knows, I may have been scammed. I believe the originals were 3M vinyl and I know some of the repros are 3M as well.
I have several NOS kits. Not using them, I will make you a deal if anyone needs 1968 stripes
The originals I have seen have printed removal installation on the paper.
Technically all 1968 GT500 stripes are S7- part numbers
http://www.thecoralsnake.com/stripes
My NOS kits are regular Mustang GT kits. I don't remember seeing the "removal instructions". I'll have to check the other kit I have.
Quote from: tonys_shelby on August 13, 2019, 10:05:40 AM
I'm betting there is no "early" or "late" and it is a ploy to get people to start buying stripes they don't need. I've looked at a lot of original pictures and could not tell a difference. That's what I started asking you guys the experts. Witch resulted in me sending the ones I got back to NPD made by SD and ordered the Branda's
Tony,that is a very safe bet. I hazard to guess the if intention is because of mis information or intentional selling strategy. Ether reason doesn't help the confidence level for other products they sell. Regardless I have a high confidence level that there is no early late variation as it applies to this thread for 67 production Shelby stripes from the factory.
Bob,
Along the lines of variations;
Any gold side stripes on a early black 67 showing car.
thanks,
john
Quote from: Harris Speedster on August 13, 2019, 12:29:10 PM
Bob,
Along the lines of variations;
Any gold side stripes on a early black 67 showing car.
thanks,
john
The black cars were initially planned to be Hertz cars but the order did not materialize. I haven't seen any evidence of gold stripes in 67 . Dave M. may have more info.
Thank you Bob.
John