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Title: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: mustang6473 on September 28, 2019, 02:07:19 PM
With current info on the red, blue and green 66 GT350 convertibles, curious about yellow 6S2376.  Is there public info on the ownership and current condition ?  Has it been shown at any SAAC events in the past few years?
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: mustang6473 on September 28, 2019, 03:04:21 PM
I havenít bought the new 66 registry yet.  Wasnít sure what info on the 4 convertibles are included.
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: deathsled on September 29, 2019, 09:56:37 AM
Welcome to the forum.  The yellow one is in there.  Has a white top.  Parting words describe it as in #2 condition older restoration to like new condition and looks like it has seen little usage except on display and shows its age.  It's a four speed with factory air conditioning.
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: BGlover67 on September 29, 2019, 01:01:12 PM
How does the hobby in general feel about these cars?  Sometimes it seems they are right up there with any 1966 SHELBY, and perhaps more special being convertibles.  But arenít they more analogous to the CSX continuation cobra series from the Ď80s?  I mean, they werenít built in Ď66.

I donít mean to be so cynical, I think they are cool as heck, but what do the experts on here feel?
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: Shelby6t5 Mike HHI, SC on September 29, 2019, 01:13:13 PM
4 were built in period, I believe you may be thinking of the 12 continuation verts.

Mike
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: deathsled on September 29, 2019, 01:23:32 PM
I don't believe the yellow one is one of the 80s continuation cars.  It says in the 66 Registry that is was shipped to Hi Performance Motors back in 1966.

I believe the continuation cars have value because they have Shelby's actual paw prints on them.  With enough passage of time, fewer people will care whether it came out of the 80s or 60s.  (Maybe they will).  But it's like the Viking sword called the Ulfberht.  There were replicas made of the Ulfberht by artisans in the 9th and 10 centuries right around the time as the original (old habits die hard don't they), not the same quality of steel but they are just as revered as valuable artifacts due to how old they have become. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulfberht_swords

But who knows ultimately what future generations will think of the continuation convertibles.  If they last that long and don't end up a big pile of iron oxide again by negligent owners.
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 29, 2019, 02:03:39 PM
4 were built in period, I believe you may be thinking of the 12 continuation verts.

Mike
+1 . Easy to get mixed up on this. The numbers for the continuation 66 convertibles start with 6S2381 .  6S2376 was completed at SA in 1966 .
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: FL SAAC TONY on September 29, 2019, 02:53:42 PM
+ 1


4 were built in period, I believe you may be thinking of the 12 continuation verts.

Mike
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: BGlover67 on September 29, 2019, 03:16:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjYoNL4g5Vg


Sorry.  :-[
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: deathsled on September 29, 2019, 03:35:45 PM
^^^^^^

Lol!
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: acman63 on September 29, 2019, 04:08:20 PM
actually 2376 and 2378  have changed hands recently and both are owned by the same person who at this time wants to remain anonymous.  I have been  helping him with assorted parts and services  and will release his name when he tells me its OK
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: deathsled on September 29, 2019, 04:28:08 PM
Maybe I can get a freaky story out of 6s2376.  The horror behind the egg yellow 66 Shelby convertible.  I'm in that mood now as I sit here with final editing before print time.
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: Chris Thauberger on September 29, 2019, 05:05:27 PM
4 were built in period, I believe you may be thinking of the 12 continuation verts.

Mike

+2
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: FL SAAC TONY on September 29, 2019, 05:13:14 PM
that's funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjYoNL4g5Vg


Sorry.  :-[
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: silverton_ford on September 30, 2019, 01:10:08 AM
actually 2376 and 2378  have changed hands recently and both are owned by the same person who at this time wants to remain anonymous.  I have been  helping him with assorted parts and services  and will release his name when he tells me its OK

+1  I have been sworn to secrecy as well.  :)
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: TransamEd on September 30, 2019, 01:58:09 AM
Tracked them for a number of years with owners information.
Since the first question was for some public information...here is some.
Should do some updates soon:-)

http://www.ponysite.de/shelbyconvertible.htm
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: gt350hr on September 30, 2019, 01:20:39 PM
I don't believe the yellow one is one of the 80s continuation cars.  It says in the 66 Registry that is was shipped to Hi Performance Motors back in 1966.

I believe the continuation cars have value because they have Shelby's actual paw prints on them.  With enough passage of time, fewer people will care whether it came out of the 80s or 60s.  (Maybe they will).  But it's like the Viking sword called the Ulfberht.  There were replicas made of the Ulfberht by artisans in the 9th and 10 centuries right around the time as the original (old habits die hard don't they), not the same quality of steel but they are just as revered as valuable artifacts due to how old they have become. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulfberht_swords

But who knows ultimately what future generations will think of the continuation convertibles.  If they last that long and don't end up a big pile of iron oxide again by negligent owners.

   Deathsled ,
        Time for reality's ugly head to appear. The fairy tale is that CS was deeply involved with the 12 continuation convertibles. Reality is as soon as the photos were done , he made sure they knew where to send the checks ( and cars to his kids)  and was "out a there". The cars sold poorly and the quality wasn't maintained ( well IMHO).
   Ramdy
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: owenkelley on September 30, 2019, 01:25:24 PM
I remember seeing the one that apparently belonged to Carroll at the Imperial Palace display and later at the old Shelby Museum in Las Vegas and thought the quality of the paint finish was pretty marginal.....
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: Coralsnake on September 30, 2019, 01:47:45 PM
Have to agree with Randy

Continuation anything is just an attempt to profit on past glory
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: FL SAAC TONY on September 30, 2019, 02:34:18 PM
well said, a reproduction will always be a reproduction





Continuation anything is just an attempt to profit on past glory
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: Chris Thauberger on September 30, 2019, 03:50:33 PM
well said, a reproduction will always be a reproduction





Continuation anything is just an attempt to profit on past glory


Fast forward to 2020...


Set phasers to stun  ;)
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: Don Johnston on September 30, 2019, 04:05:53 PM
One of the previous owners of my 66 GT350 worked at Beverly Hills Mustang as a lot boy and was pulled in to help with Mustang rebuilds.  He always said that he would never own one as the work was rushed and of very poor quality.  I remember the blue one that was in the  CS Gardena Goodyear lobby back in the late 1980s.  It belongs to one of CS' sons, I believe.  The overspray was insane, carpet rippled, seats misaligned and all kinds of other boo-boos.  They also ran poorly with their multi-spark ignition (do not recall which brand). 8)
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: deathsled on September 30, 2019, 04:50:58 PM
That's disappointing. I did not know that back story on those cars. I was a teenager young and impressionable when I read in a car magazine that Shelby was doing a continuation run. I distinctly remember the photo spread with Carrol in the pics.  Thanks for the story behind the story. Given the forgoing I would have to agree.
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: Shelby_r_b on September 30, 2019, 06:25:36 PM
Wow.  That IS disappointing...not that I was interested, personally. 

It stinks when you come away from situations supremely underwhelmed.   :(
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: TLea on September 30, 2019, 08:11:11 PM
actually 2376 and 2378  have changed hands recently and both are owned by the same person who at this time wants to remain anonymous.  I have been  helping him with assorted parts and services  and will release his name when he tells me its OK

+1  I have been sworn to secrecy as well.  :)
I think more of us know than donít lol.
Heard yellow car up for sale.  Stupid money of course
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: Grumpy on October 01, 2019, 10:49:02 AM

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I think more of us know than donít lol.

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Shelby world is not that big. Hell one could be a mile away from you an ya wouldn't know it !!   :-X
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: 2112 on October 01, 2019, 11:28:49 AM
Nothing to keep someone from taking one of the continuation cars to an extreme level of excellence.
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: FL SAAC TONY on October 01, 2019, 11:46:36 AM
+ 1.     2020
well said, a reproduction will always be a reproduction





Continuation anything is just an attempt to profit on past glory


Fast forward to 2020...


Set phasers to stun  ;)
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: FL SAAC TONY on October 01, 2019, 11:46:57 AM
Nothing to keep someone from taking one of the continuation cars to an extreme level of excellence.

agreed
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: 6R07mi on October 01, 2019, 12:09:12 PM
......... thought the quality of the paint finish was pretty marginal.....

Just thinking out loud here,
comparing the quality of a small number of boutique shop builds to cars built in the mid 60's when the quality controls were much poorer
it would seem Ford did pretty good when the initial sales volume estimate was perhaps 25,000~50,000 units /yr, and they ended up making over 1/2 million 65's.

I'm not making a comment on the continuation cars specifically, but just that when you're challenged to stretch any production program that far beyond forecast
you usually see all kinds of quality spills, i.e. recalls, fixes, field service bulletins. I know the expectations of the consumer was quite different then,
but all-in-all they built 1.167 M 65/66 cars that with Chuck Cantwell & crew's mods handed Corvette's lunch to them !
Not bad for a "silly secretary's re-skin'd Falcon" !

regards,
jim p
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: Chris Thauberger on October 01, 2019, 01:28:12 PM
Nothing to keep someone from taking one of the continuation cars to an extreme level of excellence.

Depends on you point of view. If someone were to enter one in concours I would expect it to look as shoddy as the day it was recreated. JMHO
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: 2112 on October 01, 2019, 01:57:15 PM
Nothing to keep someone from taking one of the continuation cars to an extreme level of excellence.

Depends on you point of view. If someone were to enter one in concours I would expect it to look as shoddy as the day it was recreated. JMHO

I would think nobody would enter one of the continuations in concours, but if they did, shoddy would be the goal I guess.
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: J_Speegle on October 01, 2019, 05:10:39 PM
I would think nobody would enter one of the continuations in concours, but if they did, shoddy would be the goal I guess.

At least one in recent years was built and entered if I recall correctly. Was done to more closely match what one of the four would have looked like.
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: Bob Gaines on October 01, 2019, 07:10:24 PM
I would think nobody would enter one of the continuations in concours, but if they did, shoddy would be the goal I guess.

At least one in recent years was built and entered if I recall correctly. Was done to more closely match what one of the four would have looked like.
+1 . It was very nicely done. It is heads and shoulders above the level of quality of the ones done by Beverly Hills Mustangs.
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: silverton_ford on October 01, 2019, 08:23:04 PM
I would think nobody would enter one of the continuations in concours, but if they did, shoddy would be the goal I guess.

At least one in recent years was built and entered if I recall correctly. Was done to more closely match what one of the four would have looked like.
+1 . It was very nicely done. It is heads and shoulders above the level of quality of the ones done by Beverly Hills Mustangs.

http://www.vernonestesclassics.com/#/1966-gt350-convertible/ (http://www.vernonestesclassics.com/#/1966-gt350-convertible/)   
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: FL SAAC TONY on October 01, 2019, 08:24:55 PM
looks fantastic

I would think nobody would enter one of the continuations in concours, but if they did, shoddy would be the goal I guess.

At least one in recent years was built and entered if I recall correctly. Was done to more closely match what one of the four would have looked like.
+1 . It was very nicely done. It is heads and shoulders above the level of quality of the ones done by Beverly Hills Mustangs.

http://www.vernonestesclassics.com/#/1966-gt350-convertible/ (http://www.vernonestesclassics.com/#/1966-gt350-convertible/)
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: Harris Speedster on October 01, 2019, 08:58:52 PM
I do not have a new registry,
Wasn't one of the original 4 cars in Oregon at one time?


Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: Bob Gaines on October 01, 2019, 09:07:32 PM
I do not have a new registry,
Wasn't one of the original 4 cars in Oregon at one time?
Maybe Washington state? ;)
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: Don Johnston on October 01, 2019, 09:33:44 PM
Not to open a bad can of worms, but how would the twelve continuation models be concours judged dependent as to how they left the "factory" (Beverly Hills Mustang).  If they have been converted to standards of how they should have been constructed similar to the original Shelby American four, would that no longer be a factory correct concours Shelby?  Only those who were around or originally owned the conituation units would have any standard of originality.  Just a thought for discussion. 8)
Title: Re: Owner of 6S2376 Yellow convertible
Post by: Bob Gaines on October 01, 2019, 11:13:40 PM
Not to open a bad can of worms, but how would the twelve continuation models be concours judged dependent as to how they left the "factory" (Beverly Hills Mustang).  If they have been converted to standards of how they should have been constructed similar to the original Shelby American four, would that no longer be a factory correct concours Shelby?  Only those who were around or originally owned the continuation units would have any standard of originality.  Just a thought for discussion. 8)
So your pot stirring arm doesn't get tired . Just kidding.  ;D  At the time without having a yardstick to go by and with so many possible variables that a typical Beverly Hills continuation car had when it was built ,it would be hard to judge a 80's continuation car accurately . In this particular case the decision was made to judge the car like any other 66 GT350 convert would be judged given that the car in question was built to typical vintage 66 standards.