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Title: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 03, 2019, 10:22:30 AM
What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?

With so many SVT GT350s, GT350Rs, GT500s, Super Snakes and other specialty Shelby automobiles I believe the 2006, 2007 and 2016 Shelby Hertz are the chosen ones.

Why ?

In 2006 the Shelby GTH became the first true new Shelby made. Unlike its more powerful brother made by Ford SVT in 2007 the GT500 made at the Ford plant.

These GTHs were post title conversions very similar to the way the original Shelbys made in the 1960s. Like the 1960s Ford sent mustangs to Shelby American to be converted in this particular case to become GTHs.

With the start of this new Hertz Shelby program and the introduction of the new SVT GT500, this sparked a renewed interest in S H E L B Ys.  The GTH program kicked off the KR, GT350, GTS and Super Snake programs.

Production for the 2006, 2007, 2016 GTHs was 500 for both 2006, 2007 and 172 for 2016. It was the first time that any Ford product shared it's regular V.I.N with  a C.S.M. tag since the late 1960s / 1970.

These unique Shelbys have a total of 50 years of heritage and history.  Ford Motor Company, Shelby American and Hertz teamed up to introduce the 1966 Shelby GT350H  kicking off what was known then as the Hertz “Rent-A-Racer” program.

 To celebrate the famed Shelby GT350H “Rent-A-Racer,” the three iconic brands partnered again to create a special run of performance-modified 2006, 2007 and 2016 Shelby GTH vehicles.

Reminiscent of the original, the GTH featured the same black and gold paint scheme that made the GT350H so striking. Other unique features included a special hood , an aluminum grille and Shelby GTH & Hertz badging.

All recieved Ford Racing suspensions, performance exhaust,  Ford Racing power pack with cold air intake, special ecm programming and C.S.M.s on the dash pad and in the engine compartment.

Production for the 2006 or the 40th year anniversary was 500 hardtops.

Production for the 2007 was 500 convertibles.

Production for the 2016 or the 50th year anniversary was 172.

Your thoughts ?
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: 427heaven on October 03, 2019, 11:05:24 AM
Tony- Its my belief that you own one of the last iterations of the internal combustion driven vehicles. The millennials and gen xrs don't want to drive or work on cars. They are merely a tool to get them from point A to point B Sadly in the next 20-50 years they will go by the way side like the pinto and vegas from years gone by.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on October 03, 2019, 12:08:13 PM
None of the new ones will be "collectable". They have made far too many of them. Rarity is what makes things collectable. It was estimated there are well over 100,000+ of late model Shelby cars by Ford & CS. As with all cars there will be fans of certain models and they will prefer to purchase and drive one of those. But as far as bringing big prices above any other used Mustang don't hold your breath.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: 2112 on October 03, 2019, 12:16:05 PM
Tony- Its my belief that you own one of the last iterations of the internal combustion driven vehicles. The millennials and gen xrs don't want to drive or work on cars. They are merely a tool to get them from point A to point B Sadly in the next 20-50 years they will go by the way side like the pinto and vegas from years gone by.

When we get our Carbon Taxes and a gallon of gas is $20+, you won't see much value in any ICE cars.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: shelbydoug on October 03, 2019, 12:42:11 PM
You need to wait 30 years to find out. Future events will have something to do with it.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 03, 2019, 01:04:51 PM
agreed

Tony- Its my belief that you own one of the last iterations of the internal combustion driven vehicles. The millennials and gen xrs don't want to drive or work on cars. They are merely a tool to get them from point A to point B Sadly in the next 20-50 years they will go by the way side like the pinto and vegas from years gone by.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 03, 2019, 01:12:28 PM
beg to differ and not basing it that my is 1 of 1 because it had no cigarette lighter

do agree that they have made a bundle of the SVT cars that are like belly buttons,  everyone has one

but of the late model CSM cars the GTHs will hold thier own with a trial if 500 06, 500 07 and 172 16s

not to mention a lineage that traces to 1966 , the mystique, history and heritage that the GTH has with Ford, Shelby, Hertz 50 years, just cant make that up.

let see what the future brings and we are of the opinion when the time comes to sell, the mileage (drive em) wont make a difference if the car is well maintained but the other factors will


None of the new ones will be "collectable". They have made far too many of them. Rarity is what makes things collectable. It was estimated there are well over 100,000+ of late model Shelby cars by Ford & CS. As with all cars there will be fans of certain models and they will prefer to purchase and drive one of those. But as far as bringing big prices above any other used Mustang don't hold your breath.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 03, 2019, 01:17:57 PM
agreed for us the common folks, but some people that are very well off it will be their trophy on the wall

special thanks to captain david cherniak for taking the photo

Tony- Its my belief that you own one of the last iterations of the internal combustion driven vehicles. The millennials and gen xrs don't want to drive or work on cars. They are merely a tool to get them from point A to point B Sadly in the next 20-50 years they will go by the way side like the pinto and vegas from years gone by.

When we get our Carbon Taxes and a gallon of gas is $20+, you won't see much value in any ICE cars.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 03, 2019, 01:18:52 PM
yesah, you are correct

You need to wait 30 years to find out. Future events will have something to do with it.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Kent on October 03, 2019, 01:41:46 PM
The 2015 GT350 because they only made 34 cars
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Don Johnston on October 03, 2019, 02:35:03 PM
The only future is the Shelby GT-UE/A, the Shelby Uber Electric Autonomous.  Put it in a movie and video game and auction houses will love it and sustain its value. It will come with green stripes, of course.  8)
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 03, 2019, 02:50:42 PM
great response we had forgotten about those 34 2015 mustangs

but unfortunately they do not qualify as they are SVT cars

thanks for playing ...

The 2015 GT350 because they only made 34 cars
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Hertz74 on October 03, 2019, 03:08:05 PM
I like the 2009 500KR,  silver and blue stripes.  That's the one I would buy.   Now I am just stuck with a 66 Hertz that I bought in 1974.    30 footer,  and I do drive it as much as possible
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 03, 2019, 03:47:04 PM
let's continue with our discussion;

 The '06 converted GT-H is the one that started it all again - and look where it's come to today.  And those were the only SHELBY's in 2006. Everything else followed starting in '07 with the Shelby GT.  And of course, SVT followed with a lot of SHELBY GT500s out there that are not converted by Shelby American.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Chad on October 03, 2019, 03:55:38 PM
Tony- Its my belief that you own one of the last iterations of the internal combustion driven vehicles. The millennials and gen xrs don't want to drive or work on cars. They are merely a tool to get them from point A to point B Sadly in the next 20-50 years they will go by the way side like the pinto and vegas from years gone by.

I totally disagree!!!  I agree most millennials just want to have a good time and not own anything.  But one day they are going to have to grow up or the generation behind them will take all their jobs.  BTW go to some cars and coffees.  There are a ton of 40 and under kids.  They love cars!!!!
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Chris Thauberger on October 03, 2019, 05:04:11 PM
None of them will be collectable. They never were collectable. Some people just wanted to believe they would be.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 04, 2019, 05:33:58 PM
Getting back to the topic at hand :

The 2006 converted GT-H is the one that started it all again Ford, Shelby and Herzt once again collaborated and look where it's come to today. 

Those were the only SHELBY's in 2006.

 Everything else followed starting in 2007 with the Shelby GT.  And of course, SVT followed with a lot of SHELBY GT500s out there that are not converted by Shelby American.

Those 2006 GTHs followed the same path as the original 1965 GT350s.

Ford directly to Shelby American were they recieved upgrades, Shelby badging, C. S.M.s ( yes C.S.M.s something that disappeared in 1967 ) and most importantly their Hertz and Shelby heritage.

 Long live the black and gold  !
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Bigfoot on October 04, 2019, 06:08:34 PM
This thread is still alive?
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Chris Thauberger on October 04, 2019, 06:12:44 PM
It was in a time-out.

Nothing wrong with a spirited discussion.

You just need to accept that there are differing opinions and not take every bump in the road personally.

 :P
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Bigfoot on October 04, 2019, 06:14:15 PM
With all due respect for people who love these new cars I think it’s a very flat slope going forward. There is not one new Mustang Shelby type car I think will rise in value.
Particularly if you adjust for inflation or opportunity cost.

Opportunity cost is a true economic variable but I guess it can be overlooked in the enthusiast community but NOT under the circumstances of a thread like this.

Sorry.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 04, 2019, 09:27:47 PM
This thread is still alive?


Your feedback is highly appreciated and will help us to improve our ability to serve you
Thanks for posting
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 04, 2019, 09:29:04 PM


Your feedback is highly appreciated and will help us to improve our ability to serve you
Thanks for posting

It was in a time-out.

Nothing wrong with a spirited discussion.

You just need to accept that there are differing opinions and not take every bump in the road personally.

 :P
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 04, 2019, 09:31:32 PM
Let's get back on topic;

In your opinion, which late model Shelby will be the most collectable?

Thank you
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Don Johnston on October 04, 2019, 10:24:16 PM
Any series Shelby 1000 due to how few have been produced and how few ever are available or sale.  Plus with all that HP and being the last car series that CS had input, I believe it will retain its value or better as we go through the continuing horsepower wars.   8) 
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: jrmotorsports55 on October 05, 2019, 05:56:19 AM
Give it enough time, and individuals building and wadding them up, and anything can go up in value.  Look at the fox body mustangs, they are now on the rise.  I don't feel these cars will ever have the increase of the original Shelbys, but I plan on hanging on to my 1 of 63 07 GT500, and wouldn't complain if the value goes up at some point.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 05, 2019, 09:26:53 AM
Give it enough time, and individuals building and wadding them up, and anything can go up in value.  Look at the fox body mustangs, they are now on the rise.  I don't feel these cars will ever have the increase of the original Shelbys, but I plan on hanging on to my 1 of 63 07 GT500, and wouldn't complain if the value goes up at some point.

especially the 1993 cobras good point
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 05, 2019, 09:31:48 AM
Don good nomination the 1000 is the king kong with its power , its superior braking and world class handling abilities

World class

Great choice!

Any series Shelby 1000 due to how few have been produced and how few ever are available or sale.  Plus with all that HP and being the last car series that CS had input, I believe it will retain its value or better as we go through the continuing horsepower wars.   8)
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: 69mach351w on October 05, 2019, 01:41:31 PM
The 2015 GT350R because they only made 34 cars
;D
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: 683760 on October 05, 2019, 02:03:54 PM
2008 Shelby GTC.  Only 215
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 06, 2019, 12:04:55 PM
As mentioned previously a fantastic SVT product, but no cigar

The 2015 GT350R because they only made 34 cars
;D
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 06, 2019, 12:07:31 PM
Nice choice, tell me more. Convince me.

 I once had a friend with a six cylinder, pink Gremlin.

 It was one of one, unfortunately that was all it was one of one...

2008 Shelby GTC.  Only 215
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: GT350AUS on October 06, 2019, 11:43:20 PM
I don't believe any will go up in value as a collectible as opposed to the 65-70 Shelbys we born in an era where their pedigree was created on the track on circuit racing and drag strip during the horsepower wars.

This pedigree makes them "Hero Cars"

Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 07, 2019, 07:22:15 AM
Thank you for expressing your thoughts.

But so far a few people have also expressed the KRs, the Shelby 1000 and of course our favourite the GTHs. In our opinion these cars have nothing to envy the vintage cars, share the same pedigree, they made less than the early cars, will out handle and out run any vintage auto.  Just our three cents worth.
So we guess you dont have a vote for the new generation. Again thanks for chiming in.

I don't believe any will go up in value as a collectible as opposed to the 65-70 Shelbys we born in an era where their pedigree was created on the track on circuit racing and drag strip during the horsepower wars.

This pedigree makes them "Hero Cars"
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Shelby6t5 Mike HHI, SC on October 07, 2019, 08:08:37 AM
37 is the correct number, it is supposed to match the # of 65 Rs, but they couldn’t be bothered with getting the # right.

Mike
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Bigfoot on October 07, 2019, 09:20:09 AM
Nice choice, tell me more. Convince me.

 I once had a friend with a six cylinder, pink Gremlin.

 It was one of one, unfortunately that was all it was one of one...

2008 Shelby GTC.  Only 215

I’d be “down” with seeing the pink gremlin.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: shelbydoug on October 07, 2019, 09:32:09 AM
Probably the GT350 R models will be but I've been watching those (and convertibles) and the depreciation is horrendous. Considering many dealers want 10 over list, that really adds to the issue.

Why buy one of them, watch them drop 25 thousand in a year or so and see it just sitting there? It's going to be a long time before they become worthwhile collectables.

A prediction a few years ago is that all "new" Shelbys would bottom at around 20 to 25 and stay there for decades. That's as good a prediction as any I'd say.

Since they really are intended as drivers that isn't really out of concept anyway. Pushing new models up over 100 is ridiculous and just is there for the factory to support new car dealers. It's a fantasy that can't be artificially created.

It reminds me of the Buick and Pontiac TA turbo cars in the '70s being purchased as investments and now selling at 25 cents on the dollar with no mileage and the plastic still on the seats. A very similar scenario.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Chris Thauberger on October 07, 2019, 09:34:56 AM
Tony- Its my belief that you own one of the last iterations of the internal combustion driven vehicles. The millennials and gen xrs don't want to drive or work on cars. They are merely a tool to get them from point A to point B Sadly in the next 20-50 years they will go by the way side like the pinto and vegas from years gone by.

+1
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Chris Thauberger on October 07, 2019, 09:35:32 AM
None of the new ones will be "collectable". They have made far too many of them. Rarity is what makes things collectable. It was estimated there are well over 100,000+ of late model Shelby cars by Ford & CS. As with all cars there will be fans of certain models and they will prefer to purchase and drive one of those. But as far as bringing big prices above any other used Mustang don't hold your breath.

+1
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Chris Thauberger on October 07, 2019, 09:35:53 AM
With all due respect for people who love these new cars I think it’s a very flat slope going forward. There is not one new Mustang Shelby type car I think will rise in value.
Particularly if you adjust for inflation or opportunity cost.

Opportunity cost is a true economic variable but I guess it can be overlooked in the enthusiast community but NOT under the circumstances of a thread like this.

Sorry.

+1
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Chris Thauberger on October 07, 2019, 09:36:33 AM
I don't believe any will go up in value as a collectible as opposed to the 65-70 Shelbys we born in an era where their pedigree was created on the track on circuit racing and drag strip during the horsepower wars.

This pedigree makes them "Hero Cars"

+1
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Chris Thauberger on October 07, 2019, 09:38:07 AM
Nice choice, tell me more. Convince me.

 I once had a friend with a six cylinder, pink Gremlin.

 It was one of one, unfortunately that was all it was one of one...

2008 Shelby GTC.  Only 215



I’d be “down” with seeing the pink gremlin.


LOL

+1
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: sfm5 on October 07, 2019, 10:12:04 AM
37 is the correct number, it is supposed to match the # of 65 Rs, but they couldn’t be bothered with getting the # right.

Mike

That error has always pulled my hair.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 07, 2019, 11:02:16 AM
This statement is so incorrect, especially when its speaking to a true bonafided Shelby American vehicle. Please educate yourself,  these are the first Shelby, Ford to carry a true Shelby American CSM manufacturing plate since 1967

Heck and we have a lot of people with old 1968-1970 SVT and new SVT 2007 and up vehicles , that's OK with me that they are SVTs or what ever they called them back in the day...

None of them will be collectable. They never were collectable. Some people just wanted to believe they would be.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 07, 2019, 11:02:41 AM
Nice choice, tell me more. Convince me.

 I once had a friend with a six cylinder, pink Gremlin.

 It was one of one, unfortunately that was all it was one of one...

2008 Shelby GTC.  Only 215

I’d be “down” with seeing the pink gremlin.

Love that pink
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 07, 2019, 11:43:01 AM
Not talking about todays SVT vehicles, only the ones Shelby American touched and converted just like the 1965, 1966 and 1967 with C.S.M.s

Unlike when the Ford Motor Company made the 1968, 1969 and 1970 Mustangs into Shelbys

Betcha didn't know that SVT really started in 1968....lmao !

Back to the topic at hand what will be the most collectable new age Shelby with a C.S.M. ?

Those C.S.M. plate do add value and indisputable pedigree.

We got the KRs, the Shelby 1000 and the GTH Shelbys nominated. They qualify as the only Shelby vehicles since 1967 to come with a C.S.M. number.

Making them non SVT but true Shelby American vehicles, the first since 1967...love it



37 is the correct number, it is supposed to match the # of 65 Rs, but they couldn’t be bothered with getting the # right.

Mike
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: ITHERTZ on October 07, 2019, 12:12:41 PM
Most here know I'm in love with the Hertz cars.  Check out my handle, for cryin' out loud!  I also own a 2006 GT-H.  I agree these should be ones to look for in the future.  Having said that...

I think the 08-09 GT500KR cars deserve a seat at the table.  These were genuine pre-title Shelby Mustangs sold through Ford dealerships as completed Shelby cars complete with Ford warranty.  Just like they did in the 60s and just like they did with the 07-08 SGT.  Unlike the SGT, the KR has more unique parts and lower production volume. 

As much as I love the GT-H cars they aren't quite in the same category as the GT500KR, simply because they should likely be considered post-title Shelby conversion cars.  However, their historical significance (GT-H) is unmatched with putting Shelby Mustangs back on the map in 2006 and of course the nod back to 1966 when the Shelby GT350H catapulted the Shelby Mustang into the mainstream. 

The problem with both of these vehicles (and all the so-called future collectibles) is that there are far too many that all look the same; each with low miles because they haven't been enjoyed properly.  I find it humorous how many GT-H cars have been stored away with only their rental use miles...all in the interest of preserving the value.  I drive mine!  Why should the renters get all the fun (:

(http://customshowboards.com/hertz229/P6104712web.jpg)
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 07, 2019, 02:43:57 PM
Most here know I'm in love with the Hertz cars.  Check out my handle, for cryin' out loud!  I also own a 2006 GT-H.  I agree these should be ones to look for in the future.  Having said that...

We also agree with you

I think the 08-09 GT500KR cars deserve a seat at the table.  These were genuine pre-title Shelby Mustangs sold through Ford dealerships as completed Shelby cars complete with Ford warranty.  Just like they did in the 60s and just like they did with the 07-08 SGT.  Unlike the SGT, the KR has more unique parts and lower production volume. 

We also agree with you. But on the production numbers the 08, 09 KRs had more produced 1,571 versus the three year run 06, 07, 16 of GTHs 1,172. The SGT is a non contender for the moment[/color]

As much as I love the GT-H cars they aren't quite in the same category as the GT500KR, simply because they should likely be considered post-title Shelby conversion cars.  However, their historical significance (GT-H) is unmatched with putting Shelby Mustangs back on the map in 2006 and of course the nod back to 1966 when the Shelby GT350H catapulted the Shelby Mustang into the mainstream. 

Agreed but the GTHs have the unique mystique of having Ford, Shelby and Hertz collaboration that no other Shelby has. Rent a Racer.

The problem with both of these vehicles (and all the so-called future collectibles) is that there are far too many that all look the same; each with low miles because they haven't been enjoyed properly.  I find it humorous how many GT-H cars have been stored away with only their rental use miles...all in the interest of preserving the value.  I drive mine!  Why should the renters get all the fun (:

Not really a terrible problem,  look at all the 65 and 66s white with blue stripes.  I find them all very pleasing to the eye. As far as driving them well you should know my preference.  

Again all we are looking for is what new age "Shelby" maybe collectable in the future. That is the question.Currently we have the GTHs, the KRs and the Shelby 1000s as picks, all are very formidable choices.

To say these Shelbys are worthless and will not be worth anything in my honest opinion is preposterous

Troy thank you for your input

Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: tesgt350 on October 07, 2019, 02:45:35 PM
I will have to say the "Don the Snake Prudomme GT 500"
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Don Johnston on October 07, 2019, 03:56:16 PM
And a another contention that frequently brings debate, politely, I hope, is whether collectable status is affected as to a Ford factory licensed Shelby Mustang or a Shelby American (Las Vegas) factory modified Mustang with a Shelby name.  Obviously, Ford factories can produce tens of thaousands of Shelby named Mustangs like the 2007-2014 GT500 series and the current 2015-now GT350/350R series.  The LV shop makes vaious models only in the hundreds.  But then the original prices are far different as well betwen Ford assemly line versus SA hand rebuild vehicles (post title Mustangs).   8)
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 07, 2019, 05:39:55 PM
Truly not familiar with this model. Would you please elaborate as to why it would be a contender?


I will have to say the "Don the Snake Prudomme GT 500"
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Bill on October 07, 2019, 07:23:22 PM

Unlike when the Ford Motor Company made the 1968, 1969 and 1970 Mustangs into Shelbys with no CSM s

Betcha didn't know that SVT really started in 1968....lmao !

What does the window sticker on a 68-70 Shelby say?

vs

What does the window sticker on a late model Shelby say?

Just saying  ;)

Bill

PS: Since when was CSM ever a thing in the 60's or early 70's ?  ::)
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 07, 2019, 07:30:56 PM
Hi Bill,

Usually options, prices , selling dealer, destination....charges, etc.

Nice hearing from you, hope all is well.


Unlike when the Ford Motor Company made the 1968, 1969 and 1970 Mustangs into Shelbys with no CSM s

Betcha didn't know that SVT really started in 1968....lmao !

What does the window sticker on a 68-70 Shelby say?

vs

What does the window sticker on a late model Shelby say?

Just saying  ;)

Bill

PS: Since when was CSM ever a thing in the 60's or early 70's ?  ::)
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Bill on October 07, 2019, 09:29:04 PM
Hi Bill,

Usually options, prices , selling dealer, destination....charges, etc.

Ah yes, along with the manufacturer of record  8)

In this case, we will start with a factory invoice for a 69 GT500
(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7621.0;attach=29548;image)
Followed by the factory invoice for the basis of a 2006 Hertz GT-H (wait, does it say Shelby on it) with the manufacturer on record clearly spelled out
(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7621.0;attach=29550;image)
Followed by the parts invoice for the aftermarket conversion of the previously mentioned Mustang GT.
(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7621.0;attach=29552;image)

I see no manufacturers window sticker that spells Shelby in Vegas as the manufacturer of record, do you  :o

Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Bill on October 07, 2019, 09:34:17 PM
But wait, there is more, how about the original MSO

Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on October 07, 2019, 09:47:22 PM
Most here know I'm in love with the Hertz cars.  Check out my handle, for cryin' out loud!  I also own a 2006 GT-H.  I agree these should be ones to look for in the future.  Having said that...

We also agree with you

I think the 08-09 GT500KR cars deserve a seat at the table.  These were genuine pre-title Shelby Mustangs sold through Ford dealerships as completed Shelby cars complete with Ford warranty.  Just like they did in the 60s and just like they did with the 07-08 SGT.  Unlike the SGT, the KR has more unique parts and lower production volume. 

We also agree with you. But on the production numbers the 08, 09 KRs had more produced 1,571 versus the three year run 06, 07, 16 of GTHs 1,172. The SGT is a non contender for the moment

As much as I love the GT-H cars they aren't quite in the same category as the GT500KR, simply because they should likely be considered post-title Shelby conversion cars.  However, their historical significance (GT-H) is unmatched with putting Shelby Mustangs back on the map in 2006 and of course the nod back to 1966 when the Shelby GT350H catapulted the Shelby Mustang into the mainstream. 

Agreed but the GTHs have the unique mystique of having Ford, Shelby and Hertz collaboration that no other Shelby has. Rent a Racer.

The problem with both of these vehicles (and all the so-called future collectibles) is that there are far too many that all look the same; each with low miles because they haven't been enjoyed properly.  I find it humorous how many GT-H cars have been stored away with only their rental use miles...all in the interest of preserving the value.  I drive mine!  Why should the renters get all the fun (:

Not really a terrible problem,  look at all the 65 and 66s white with blue stripes.  I find them all very pleasing to the eye. As far as driving them well you should know my preference.  

Again all we are looking for is what new age "Shelby" maybe collectable in the future. That is the question.Currently we have the GTHs, the KRs and the Shelby 1000s as picks, all are very formidable choices.

To say these Shelbys are worthless and will not be worth anything in my honest opinion is preposterous

Troy thank you for your input
Tony, I like reading some of your posts but you have to stop using that yellow font.  I literally can't read your responses with the color your using.

QSS
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Don Johnston on October 07, 2019, 09:48:31 PM

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Tony, I like reading some of your posts but you have to stop using that yellow font.  I literally can't read your responses with the color your using.

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Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Chris Thauberger on October 07, 2019, 10:07:08 PM


BARFFFF




Unlike when the Ford Motor Company made the 1968, 1969 and 1970 Mustangs into Shelbys with no CSM s

Betcha didn't know that SVT really started in 1968....lmao !

What does the window sticker on a 68-70 Shelby say?

vs

What does the window sticker on a late model Shelby say?

Just saying  ;)

Bill

PS: Since when was CSM ever a thing in the 60's or early 70's ?  ::)



This is going to be fun... ::)

Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 08, 2019, 06:29:16 AM
Thank you for the contributing documents.

Everyone knows that one was built at a Shelby facility and the others where not built at a Shelby facility.

Hi Bill,

Usually options, prices , selling dealer, destination....charges, etc.

Ah yes, along with the manufacturer of record  8)

In this case, we will start with a factory invoice for a 69 GT500
(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7621.0;attach=29548;image)
Followed by the factory invoice for the basis of a 2006 Hertz GT-H (wait, does it say Shelby on it) with the manufacturer on record clearly spelled out
(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7621.0;attach=29550;image)
Followed by the parts invoice for the aftermarket conversion of the previously mentioned Mustang GT.
(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7621.0;attach=29552;image)

I see no manufacturers window sticker that spells Shelby in Vegas as the manufacturer of record, do you  :o
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 08, 2019, 06:30:30 AM
QSS acknowledged

Most here know I'm in love with the Hertz cars.  Check out my handle, for cryin' out loud!  I also own a 2006 GT-H.  I agree these should be ones to look for in the future.  Having said that...

We also agree with you

I think the 08-09 GT500KR cars deserve a seat at the table.  These were genuine pre-title Shelby Mustangs sold through Ford dealerships as completed Shelby cars complete with Ford warranty.  Just like they did in the 60s and just like they did with the 07-08 SGT.  Unlike the SGT, the KR has more unique parts and lower production volume. 

We also agree with you. But on the production numbers the 08, 09 KRs had more produced 1,571 versus the three year run 06, 07, 16 of GTHs 1,172. The SGT is a non contender for the moment

As much as I love the GT-H cars they aren't quite in the same category as the GT500KR, simply because they should likely be considered post-title Shelby conversion cars.  However, their historical significance (GT-H) is unmatched with putting Shelby Mustangs back on the map in 2006 and of course the nod back to 1966 when the Shelby GT350H catapulted the Shelby Mustang into the mainstream. 

Agreed but the GTHs have the unique mystique of having Ford, Shelby and Hertz collaboration that no other Shelby has. Rent a Racer.

The problem with both of these vehicles (and all the so-called future collectibles) is that there are far too many that all look the same; each with low miles because they haven't been enjoyed properly.  I find it humorous how many GT-H cars have been stored away with only their rental use miles...all in the interest of preserving the value.  I drive mine!  Why should the renters get all the fun (:

Not really a terrible problem,  look at all the 65 and 66s white with blue stripes.  I find them all very pleasing to the eye. As far as driving them well you should know my preference.  

Again all we are looking for is what new age "Shelby" maybe collectable in the future. That is the question.Currently we have the GTHs, the KRs and the Shelby 1000s as picks, all are very formidable choices.

To say these Shelbys are worthless and will not be worth anything in my honest opinion is preposterous

Troy thank you for your input
Tony, I like reading some of your posts but you have to stop using that yellow font.  I literally can't read your responses with the color your using.

QSS
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 08, 2019, 06:35:56 AM
Beautiful copy, thanks for sharing

But wait, there is more, how about the original MSO
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 08, 2019, 06:40:31 AM
The distinction is that from 1965 to 1967 the real ones had been made in a Shelby authorized facility.

In 2006 the tradition came back as the production of the then new GTH was at a Shelby facility.

Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 08, 2019, 07:35:09 AM
Don will go with red



Tony, I like reading some of your posts but you have to stop using that yellow font.  I literally can't read your responses with the color your using.

QSS
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Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: tesgt350 on October 08, 2019, 07:52:33 AM
Truly not familiar with this model. Would you please elaborate as to why it would be a contender?


I will have to say the "Don the Snake Prudomme GT 500"

Because SAI only built 4 or 6 of them. 
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 08, 2019, 08:02:19 AM
So this may be one of those that because a car is considered rare, it isn't necessarily desired by the collector

Like the KR, the Shelby 1000 or the GTHs that are desirable


quote author=tesgt350 link=topic=7621.msg64277#msg64277 date=1570535553]
I will have to say the "Don the Snake Prudomme GT 500"

Because SAI only built 4 or 6 of them.
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Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Chris Thauberger on October 08, 2019, 01:13:50 PM
Hi Bill,

Usually options, prices , selling dealer, destination....charges, etc.

Ah yes, along with the manufacturer of record  8)

In this case, we will start with a factory invoice for a 69 GT500
(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7621.0;attach=29548;image)
Followed by the factory invoice for the basis of a 2006 Hertz GT-H (wait, does it say Shelby on it) with the manufacturer on record clearly spelled out
(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7621.0;attach=29550;image)
Followed by the parts invoice for the aftermarket conversion of the previously mentioned Mustang GT.
(http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7621.0;attach=29552;image)

I see no manufacturers window sticker that spells Shelby in Vegas as the manufacturer of record, do you  :o

But wait, there is more, how about the original MSO
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/178-081019130409.png)



GREAT

Now we are making progress. Posting original unretouched Ford documents, Bill has clearly established that Ford is the manufacturer of record for the 2006 GTH. End of discussion.

After that is was taken to a garage somewhere in the desert ::) and some fancy parts were added. I could have done the same in my back yard, in fact... oh never mind it would just muddy the swamp.

At no time did the manufacturer of record change. Unless someone can produce a yet unseen document that shows a different manufacturer of record, I think we have our answer.

No more speculation.

No more saying it over and over as if it were true.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.


I'm glad we cleared that up.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Chris Thauberger on October 08, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
I will have to say the "Don the Snake Prudomme GT 500"

Yes I think we have a winner.

Not only super low production numbers, but who wouldn't wan a Don 'The Snake' Prudomme GT500.

Definitely a candidate for the next big collector car.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 08, 2019, 01:35:04 PM
The sun rises in the east and sets in the west no matter where you are....

These are the first Shelbys since ninteen sixty seven that actually traveled from the Ford Motor Company to Shelby American for their conversion.

These are the S H EL B Y GTHs .

Unless the vehicle took that S H E L B  Y - A M E R I C A N path, it is an SVT or what ever one wants to call them.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: tesgt350 on October 08, 2019, 01:44:59 PM
The sun rises in the east and sets in the west no matter where you are....

These are the first Shelbys since ninteen sixty seven that actually traveled from the Ford Motor Company to Shelby American for their conversion.

These are the S H EL B Y GTHs .

Unless the vehicle took that S H E L B  Y - A M E R I C A N path, it is an SVT or what ever one wants to call them.

I am beginning to think that you should have made THIS thread just about the GT-H because I, and many others would rather have the "Don the Snake Prudomme GT 500" over any GT-H.  I also believe that the "Don the Snake Prudomme GT 500" will always be more collectible and worth more $$$ than the GT-H.  The GT-H might be more "Collected" because there was a WHOLE LOT MORE produced but Value wise, it has to be the "Don the Snake Prudomme GT 500" over the GT-H and the GT, the 1000 and the KR. 
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 08, 2019, 01:59:00 PM
the list stands as of today in no particular order:

2009 Don the Snake Prudomme GT500KR
2006 2007 GTHs
2016 GTHs
2008 2009 KRs
All Super Snakes

all true bonafide S H E L B Ys
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Don Johnston on October 08, 2019, 02:17:17 PM
Is the Don 'The Snake' Prudomme GT500 street legal?  Rare, but does being street legal or not affect the collector value?  Just askin'. 8)
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: ITHERTZ on October 08, 2019, 02:19:20 PM
Shelby has made a number of post-title conversion Shelbys.  Some started out as Ford Mustangs and some started out as Shelby GT500s.  I've already stated (Bill has shown documents) that the GT-H should be considered a post-title Shelby conversion.  The SGT and GT500KRs are the only pre-title Shelby cars out of LV that I'm aware of.  For this reason I think they are significant.  More collectible or more valuable is in the eye of the collector.  No large group/entity is going to to agree on what is "best".

A GT-H was quite simply this: A Ford Mustang GT ordered and purchased by Hertz, which was drop shipped to SAI where parts were removed and added to make it a Shelby GT-H.  They were always Hertz's cars from the start, so they were never sold as "Shelbys" except as a used car from Hertz calling it as such.  Any owner titling or registering these cars have a Ford Mustang GT on their title and registration.  That doesn't mean they are not considered Shelby cars by those who now own and love them. 

In 2007 and 08 Ford decided that the Hertz program was popular enough to do it themselves so they contracted with SAI to do the same thing Hertz did, but this time they sold them as NEW completed cars through FORD dealerships..  This is also the very same way the GT350 was built in 66.  I don't know how GT500KRs or SGTs are titled/registered.  I know my dad's original GT350H is titled as a 1966 Ford.  I know the late model SGTs and KRs have a Mustang window sticker with an addendum and SAI also supplied a second window sticker.  Confusing.  However, I don't think these details mean much to collectibility.  People will buy and collect what they like, generally. ;)
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Chris Thauberger on October 08, 2019, 02:20:54 PM
The sun rises in the east and sets in the west no matter where you are....

These are the first Shelbys since ninteen sixty seven that actually traveled from the Ford Motor Company to Shelby American for their conversion.

These are the S H EL B Y GTHs .

Unless the vehicle took that S H E L B  Y - A M E R I C A N path, it is an SVT or what ever one wants to call them.


This just in from the Committee on Authenticate Documents:

"There has to date been no documents submitted or authenticated to support statements as to the validity of the 2006 GTH being recognized as a SHELBY manufactured vehicle. Until such documents are received and authenticated by the committee, the 2006 GTH manufacturer of record is Ford Motor Company"

WOW, who saw that coming?
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Don Johnston on October 08, 2019, 02:26:49 PM
But all of those Shelby Las Vegas post title conversions are in the secret (to the public) factory Shelby Registry.  The SVT/Ford Performance Shelby licensed Mustangs are not.  But then, if you like what you driving a Shelby licensed vehicle or desire to own one, I do not think the Registry matters except to know where ii was built.  The collectible value is in the deisre to own one for whatever personal reason. 8)
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: tesgt350 on October 08, 2019, 02:57:36 PM
Is the Don 'The Snake' Prudomme GT500 street legal?  Rare, but does being street legal or not affect the collector value?  Just askin'. 8)

Don Prudhomme SuperSnake Resources
An 800 horsepower, street legal Shelby with a full tilt front end, five-point Impact safety harness, Borla side exhaust system and more!

The final build numbers for the 2007-09 Don Prudhomme SuperSnake edition are:

5 retail cars and 1 concept car for at total of six cars ever built.

Three of them were 2009 models, one was a 2008 model and two were 2007 models.

All were black in color coupes.

Each car ended up being a one of one car when the model year and options are factored in.

And out of the five retail cars only one was built with SAI supplying the base car. The other four retail cars used the customers existing GT500.

The Prudhomme Super Snake could end up being one of the rarest SAI built cars in recent years.


From the TS Forums.

Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 08, 2019, 03:18:56 PM
understood and added to the list

Is the Don 'The Snake' Prudomme GT500 street legal?  Rare, but does being street legal or not affect the collector value?  Just askin'. 8)

Don Prudhomme SuperSnake Resources
An 800 horsepower, street legal Shelby with a full tilt front end, five-point Impact safety harness, Borla side exhaust system and more!

The final build numbers for the 2007-09 Don Prudhomme SuperSnake edition are:

5 retail cars and 1 concept car for at total of six cars ever built.

Three of them were 2009 models, one was a 2008 model and two were 2007 models.

All were black in color coupes.

Each car ended up being a one of one car when the model year and options are factored in.

And out of the five retail cars only one was built with SAI supplying the base car. The other four retail cars used the customers existing GT500.

The Prudhomme Super Snake could end up being one of the rarest SAI built cars in recent years.


From the TS Forums.
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 08, 2019, 03:19:46 PM
Don, agreed in the end it only matters to the owner

But all of those Shelby Las Vegas post title conversions are in the secret (to the public) factory Shelby Registry.  The SVT/Ford Performance Shelby licensed Mustangs are not.  But then, if you like what you driving a Shelby licensed vehicle or desire to own one, I do not think the Registry matters except to know where ii was built.  The collectible value is in the deisre to own one for whatever personal reason. 8)
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 08, 2019, 03:25:54 PM
Troy, agreed take a look at some clips from the TS site

It's even called a gray title vehicle adding to the mystique

Shelby has made a number of post-title conversion Shelbys.  Some started out as Ford Mustangs and some started out as Shelby GT500s.  I've already stated (Bill has shown documents) that the GT-H should be considered a post-title Shelby conversion.  The SGT and GT500KRs are the only pre-title Shelby cars out of LV that I'm aware of.  For this reason I think they are significant.  More collectible or more valuable is in the eye of the collector.  No large group/entity is going to to agree on what is "best".

A GT-H was quite simply this: A Ford Mustang GT ordered and purchased by Hertz, which was drop shipped to SAI where parts were removed and added to make it a Shelby GT-H.  They were always Hertz's cars from the start, so they were never sold as "Shelbys" except as a used car from Hertz calling it as such.  Any owner titling or registering these cars have a Ford Mustang GT on their title and registration.  That doesn't mean they are not considered Shelby cars by those who now own and love them. 

In 2007 and 08 Ford decided that the Hertz program was popular enough to do it themselves so they contracted with SAI to do the same thing Hertz did, but this time they sold them as NEW completed cars through FORD dealerships..  This is also the very same way the GT350 was built in 66.  I don't know how GT500KRs or SGTs are titled/registered.  I know my dad's original GT350H is titled as a 1966 Ford.  I know the late model SGTs and KRs have a Mustang window sticker with an addendum and SAI also supplied a second window sticker.  Confusing.  However, I don't think these details mean much to collectibility.  People will buy and collect what they like, generally. ;)
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: Bigfoot on October 08, 2019, 04:44:27 PM
Work work work
Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: corbins on October 08, 2019, 07:40:03 PM

Tony, I like reading some of your posts but you have to stop using that yellow font.  I literally can't read your responses with the color your using.

QSS
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+1 8)

Yes , dear lord , please stop using that unreadable crap :)

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Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 08, 2019, 07:43:11 PM
Dully noted


Tony, I like reading some of your posts but you have to stop using that yellow font.  I literally can't read your responses with the color your using.

QSS


+1 8)

Yes , dear lord , please stop using that unreadable crap :)

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Title: Re: What will be the most collectable new age Shelby ?
Post by: FL SAAC on October 08, 2019, 09:33:48 PM
   
Truly an amazing transformation that Shelby American does making these the best handling and truly the fastest ever.

The list stands as of today in no particular order:

2009 Don the Snake Prudomme GT500KR
2006 2007 GTHs
2016 GTHs
2008 2009 KRs
Super Snakes

all true bonafide S H E L B Ys :)

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