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Title: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on February 22, 2018, 01:45:25 PM
I have just located a 1968 Shelby KR 500. Cobra ID 8T02R205320-03320 It appears to be complete. If has been laid up for at lease 17 years. Original paint "white" . I think original interior. Is there anything you can tell me about it.

Thanks
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: Mongo on February 22, 2018, 01:53:58 PM
White, black int, auto, tilt, tint, a/c and hub caps from the factory, 8T02R205320-03320. GT500KR. Shipped to Bill Currie Ford, Inc. (Tampa, FL) 6/14/68
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on February 22, 2018, 03:14:05 PM
Yes that is the car alright. Seems like a desirable car.? Not a great color.
I'm trying to buy it from second owner. First owner was a kid that had it three months and his parents took it away. Too many tickets. My guy, and old friend of mine,has had it since then.
Not too bad. Showing 92,000 mi. no body damage. no rust including floor pans. All ID tags correct and in place. Engine rebuild but never started. Has NOS parts in boxes to restore. Already have seen the car twice. Going to look at parts tomorrow of early next week.

Thanks for looking that up Mongo
tooeys
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: OldMil on February 22, 2018, 03:20:51 PM
Hope it finds it's way into your garage....keep us posted, and pictures, please!  Jack
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Post by: gt350cs on February 22, 2018, 03:27:58 PM
Looking forward to seeing pictures. Good luck on purchase.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: BGlover67 on February 22, 2018, 04:43:38 PM
Yes that is the car alright. Seems like a desirable car.? Not a great color.
I'm trying to buy it from second owner. First owner was a kid that had it three months and his parents took it away. Too many tickets. My guy, and old friend of mine,has had it since then.
Not too bad. Showing 92,000 mi. no body damage. no rust including floor pans. All ID tags correct and in place. Engine rebuild but never started. Has NOS parts in boxes to restore. Already have seen the car twice. Going to look at parts tomorrow of early next week.

Thanks for looking that up Mongo
tooeys

He didn't have to look it up, he has it memorized along with all the other '68s, '69s and 70's   :)
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: 06H275 on February 22, 2018, 05:06:45 PM
Love to see some pics of this car!
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: Bigfoot on February 22, 2018, 05:08:09 PM
White would be considered desirable big time on a 68.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on February 22, 2018, 05:21:35 PM
Hi Guys,

White really?
I already have some pics on my phone. If I could figure out how to load them. I know how to do it to phones and E Mail but not sure to a website.

Thanks for all the feedback.

I have first refusal on it. He is asking 60,000 for it right now.

Tooeys
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: Bill on February 22, 2018, 05:57:03 PM
. He is asking 60,000 for it right now.

Tooeys

Go now, bring cash, yes, really
You don't want it, I'd take it for that
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: Richstang on February 22, 2018, 06:13:26 PM
Hi Guys,

White really?
I already have some pics on my phone. If I could figure out how to load them. I know how to do it to phones and E Mail but not sure to a website.

Thanks for all the feedback.

I have first refusal on it. He is asking 60,000 for it right now.

Tooeys

If you can send them to your email. You can save them on your computer and then post them here.

60K for what you're describing sounds reasonable.
Like Bill said, "Go now, bring cash"!
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on February 22, 2018, 09:30:59 PM
Hi Guys,

Well that gives me a lot of encouragement to buy it. The transmission and rear end were also rebuilt and never run. Ill let you know and I will see about getting you guys some pictures. I have probably 30 pics or so. All the ID tags interior and exterior etc. May go tomorrow to look at the NOS stuff. Has the original Shelby hub caps. Not great looking feature but it did come with them.

Ill get beck to you. Anything you want me to look out for?

Thanks again,
Tooeys
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: 2112 on February 22, 2018, 09:38:25 PM
. He is asking 60,000 for it right now.

Tooeys

Go now, bring cash, yes, really
You don't want it, I'd take it for that

+1

Please don't make us read about how you woulda, coulda, shoulda next week.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: FL SAAC on February 22, 2018, 11:17:40 PM
Hi Guys,

White really?
I already have some pics on my phone. If I could figure out how to load them. I know how to do it to phones and E Mail but not sure to a website.

Thanks for all the feedback.

I have first refusal on it. He is asking 60,000 for it right now.

Tooeys

hello tooeys

should you loose interest in this vehicle, please send me a pm as i have a friend who would be interested in it and will supply you with a finders fee.

thank you
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: stangman39 on February 23, 2018, 07:59:13 AM
Hope you can make the deal happen.
As others have said, white is desirable.  Iconic Shelby color I think.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: OldMil on February 23, 2018, 08:37:50 AM
Once you buy it (and I know you will :)), I'll take those old hubcaps off your hands ;)   
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: FL SAAC on February 23, 2018, 09:07:02 AM
if you can please post some pictures of the car
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on February 23, 2018, 03:51:34 PM
Now that you remind me the early GT 350's and the Hertz GT's were white.
Not a lot of history with a Mustangs myself. Mostly C1 and C2 Corvette's.
This belongs to an old friend and he called me on it.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: Bigfoot on February 23, 2018, 03:56:28 PM
Hertz cars were almost never white.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: Bigfoot on February 23, 2018, 03:57:15 PM
“Like” %-wise
Title: Barn find
Post by: Bill Collins on February 23, 2018, 07:44:49 PM
Once you buy it (and I know you will :)), I'll take those old hubcaps off your hands ;)

To hell with the hub caps (wheel covers, actually) - I'll take the steel wheels!  ;D
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: 427heaven on February 23, 2018, 07:45:04 PM
It doesn't sound like your that interested in the car, good news is this is the right place for interest in the car and maybe you could get a finders fee for hooking a brother up! ;)
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on March 23, 2018, 03:04:01 PM
Hi Guys,

Sorry I have been away from the site for awhile. The court hearing is the 28 th. of this month. The court will decide what to do with the car and all the rest.

Once that is done I will let you know more. I should be able to get some better pics. Will try to send some of what I have. It is a true barn find so it is not real accessible and the pics. I have reflect that.

Once this is settled I should be able to dig it out and getter barter ones.

Thanks for the advice and encouragement.

Regards,

Jack
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on March 23, 2018, 03:10:30 PM
What E Mail address should I address the photos too?
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: JD on March 23, 2018, 04:58:44 PM
post them to this website and in this thread/topic.

When typing in the reply window notice the "Attachments and other options" line just below Click on the line and attach the images
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on March 31, 2018, 03:34:28 PM
Hello Gentlemen,
It looks like I’m getting the KR. I got a much better look at the car. We dug it out and I started to inventory the NOS parts as well as survey what is missing that there are replacements for. Is there a parts supplier recommended for body or interior accessories. Someplace to start. Also a recommended manual for restoration.
I know I will need a correct Radiator
A Cobra emblem for one of the hubcaps
Thanks for all your help and encouragement.
Jack (tooeye)
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: FL SAAC on March 31, 2018, 04:32:32 PM
Hello Gentlemen,
It looks like I’m getting the KR. I got a much better look at the car. We dug it out and I started to inventory the NOS parts as well as survey what is missing that there are replacements for. Is there a parts supplier recommended for body or interior accessories. Someplace to start. Also a recommended manual for restoration.
I know I will need a correct Radiator
A Cobra emblem for one of the hubcaps
Thanks for all your help and encouragement.
Jack (tooeye)

Great news!
Happy Easter
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: BGlover67 on March 31, 2018, 04:33:51 PM
Did I miss the pics?
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on March 31, 2018, 05:17:32 PM
No I hope to have the pics up soon. Not to pretty at the moment but all there.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: mark p on March 31, 2018, 10:59:08 PM
Congrats  8)
I'm sure that you'  find plenty of help on here!
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 31, 2018, 11:32:15 PM
Is there a parts supplier recommended for body or interior accessories. Someplace to start.
The good news is most of the interior and chassis parts are Mustang and there are many restoration parts suppliers. Most of the oddball Shelby stuff has been redone. There is some difference in quality of parts and you'll learn quickly to stay away from Pookys NOS parts. Your big decision will be concours, restored driver or unrestored barn find. At 60 grand you could stick another 100 into it and still probably make 10-20 if you decided to sell it. 3 owner cars are fairly rare in this day and age. And white on Shelbys beats the auction maxim that red brings more money.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: Coralsnake on April 01, 2018, 12:31:08 PM
How many KR fastbacks are selling for $170-180,000?

Gee I guess I missed that price jump.....
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: shelbydoug on April 01, 2018, 01:20:07 PM
I don't see how you can get, or expect to get this car for better then 60? Only a complete collapse of "the market" could get it for you lower.

In fact I would "expect" a decent KR to be very sellable for about 90 and at 60, it's a little bit of a miricle?

Now all things considered, Coralsnake is exactly right. You will be hard pressed to find a documentable sale for 180.

That really means that a car like this that needs to be "restored", if you had to pay 90, is already under water by quite a bit. At 60, maybe your head will stick out of the water if you can tread for a while? I don't know for sure. It all depends.



With this business of "continuation '68s" being offered for 229, it's unknowable how that will overall affect the "original" market?

It doesn't make sense that even a new continuation car should bring that much more then an original but we are all just along for the ride and watching that as bystanders.

I would have thought that the documented selling prices of the Eleanor would have made real Shelbys more desirable and thus more valuable but it doesn't appear that actually ever happened?
It would seem that the customers for both are just two different types of people with different perspectives?



This is becoming more and more like owning race horses. You do it for the sport and notoriety and is just a way of one spending their free time and money on basically a labor of love or showing up the other owners in this kind of a "gentleman's competition"?  ::)

You simply will probably never recoup everything that you put into the car. You need to accept that now. If you work it right, that truth will set you free. Eventually, anyway.



Oh and personally, I'm glad to hear from even just one person, that white is a desirable color? Few!  :D


Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: 2112 on April 01, 2018, 01:50:52 PM
Congratulations!

Don't go overboard ($ wise) on your restoration/refurbishment and enjoy the drive.

Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on April 01, 2018, 03:21:01 PM
How many KR fastbacks are selling for $170-180,000?

Gee I guess I missed that price jump.....
OK a little Barrett Jackson hype there.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on April 01, 2018, 10:03:49 PM
Hi guys,

I appreciate your thoughts. I am aware that the Shelby market is soft right now. I am more familiar with the Corvette market. That is where I have done some restoration projects. That market is also soft. The price for the car is $60,000. I will try to send some photos to you all tomorrow, so you get a bettor look. It comes with a lot of NOS parts that were purchased about 20 years ago. Includes carpeting Door panels Gauge bezel. Good headliner and seats. New bumpers, a rebuilt motor Plus most of the fasteners and all the required weather stripping. Maybe you will be able to gauge its value better with the photos.
I do have a question. Shelby novice that I obviously am . What is the difference between a Shelby GT 500 and the KR version?

Thanks,

Jack
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: 427heaven on April 01, 2018, 10:26:39 PM
Tooey Your TOOOOOO MUCH April fools day ;)
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on April 01, 2018, 10:29:24 PM
Sorry but it was not a joke it is a real question.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: Ldouble619 on April 01, 2018, 10:29:49 PM
One is king of the roads
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on April 01, 2018, 10:38:50 PM
I am aware of the genesis of the. My question is there any tangible difference between the two? Mechanical, technical, handling or is it just a decal?
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: Coralsnake on April 01, 2018, 10:44:21 PM
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What is the difference between a Shelby GT 500 and the KR version?

Drivetrain and badging. The engine in a GT500 is a 428, the KR engine is the high performance version of that...a 428 Cobra Jet (different intake, heads, etc) Transmissions also change, The only differences are badging? Just a decal? I think not...very different.

Prices reflect that. You can not do a calculation, that restoration costs + purchase price = value. I would disagree the "market is soft". Prices are what they are, and have been sustainably the same since 2009. Unless you are talking about historical highs, but even then KR fastbacks are very close to what they have been in the past
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: roddster on April 01, 2018, 10:48:04 PM
 GT 500= 428 Police interceptor based engine, KR = 428 Cobra Jet based engine.  Top of the line
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on April 02, 2018, 08:01:57 AM
Thanks that is what I was looking for.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: shelbydoug on April 02, 2018, 09:16:31 AM
Quote
What is the difference between a Shelby GT 500 and the KR version?

Drivetrain and badging. The engine in a GT500 is a 428, the KR engine is the high performance version of that...a 428 Cobra Jet (different intake, heads, etc) Transmissions also change, The only differences are badging? Just a decal? I think not...very different.

Prices reflect that. You can not do a calculation, that restoration costs + purchase price = value. I would disagree the "market is soft". Prices are what they are, and have been sustainably the same since 2009. Unless you are talking about historical highs, but even then KR fastbacks are very close to what they have been in the past

Yes agreed on values but in my perspective restoration costs are up. This is really the time to purchase a fully restored car.

Compared to what their value is right now, what restoration costs are, the "core" cost is way to high. That is very unlikely to go down at all.

If you think about it, traditionally the core prices have ALWAYS been too high compared to restored market value.

This is the part where you can recover usually the cost of the core plus the parts but forget about the cost of the labor to go into them. That turns out to be almost a freebee.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: pbf777 on April 02, 2018, 12:06:42 PM
     I wish those participating in the antique, classic, collector, special interest or whatever one wishes to label it vehicle ownership field, would stop implying that the participant should calculate the investments one may incur in their ownership, insuring that they don't exceed a value which they may expect to receive at the point in time when they may divest themselves of said ownership. I feel this frame of mind is detrimental to the collecting hobby, where perhaps personal interests would be driving the value, perhaps at a slower, but more stable and understandable rates, vs. some inane "Investment Counselor" dictating market trends and values.

     The bulk of the participants are, or should be, involved as "HOBBYISTS", not investors! This idea that one shouldn't invest more capital into a hobby vehicle than he or she can recoup at the sale is preposterous!  Ford Motor Company isn't selling new Mustang GT's vs. some econo-box by implying that your going to get your money back when you sell it. YOU-BUY-IT........... BECAUSE-YOU-WANT-IT!  ;D

     Scott.

     

     
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: cboss70 on April 02, 2018, 01:06:31 PM
Sounds like an interesting car. No allusive pictures still huh- I can understand why, most would want to let all the swamp water drain out of the interior, get the mud cleaned off before they assembled it with Craigslist parts for its first "as found" pictures ;) LOL. Obviously I'm just kidding, I had trouble with the old site so understand you pain. Coralsnake has a great site with info and is fun to read as you begin your journey into Shelby ownership. The research, history and then the rebuilding process is the fun stuff (and often more rewarding then the investment angle).
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: ITHERTZ on April 02, 2018, 03:03:27 PM
I hope you get the car - sounds like an amazing find with lots of desirable spare parts.  If you are thinking about making a buck and are really not into this for the long term you should consider selling it now before investing any money into it.  There are a handful of people on this sight who would be able to buy it from you and put some cash in your pocket.  It would be their dream car.   Good luck!

Troy
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on April 02, 2018, 07:45:34 PM
These are the photos.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: FL SAAC on April 02, 2018, 08:02:44 PM
I hope you get the car - sounds like an amazing find with lots of desirable spare parts.  If you are thinking about making a buck and are really not into this for the long term you should consider selling it now before investing any money into it.  There are a handful of people on this sight who would be able to buy it from you and put some cash in your pocket.  It would be their dream car.   Good luck!

Troy

+ 1
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on April 02, 2018, 08:22:23 PM
We have tried multiple times to attach photos.  Have resized, used different browsers and every time it says file full.   No option to attach a drop box file.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on April 02, 2018, 08:28:17 PM
What size do the photos need to be.  Nothing in the search section or posting that gives photo size and it will not upload photos.  Please send requested information or an email where a drop box link could be sent.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: shelbydoug on April 02, 2018, 08:44:48 PM
I get an error message.

"The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator."

What I expected to happen was to get a message that informed me that my picture was a .... size and it exceeds the maximum of ....

IF I get that information, I can then reduce the size of the picture in Windows picture viewer, save the file, then attach it again to my post.

So far with the new system it has been working. We are going to need Computerworks to look at this and tell us if it is just a glitch in the system or if the program memory for SAACforum.com has already reached it's maximum capacity.

He's the onlyone who would know? He Ron?  Guess what?  ;)
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on April 02, 2018, 09:05:37 PM
Hi Guys,

I have been trying for some time to get the photos posted with no success. I have put together a "Drop box" file with a good number of photos. I am no longer going to try to post on this Site. If you wish to see the photos of the 68 KR, I will sent them to any E mail site of your choosing.

Regards,
Jack (tooeys)
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on April 02, 2018, 09:11:24 PM
Dear Scott,

I agree with you completely.

Jack (tooeys)
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: 2112 on April 02, 2018, 10:19:00 PM
Host your pictures on a free hosting site like Imageshack, Imagur, Tinypic or google.

Each picture will have it's own address which you can paste into a post to have an instant large image.

Had to do the same thing on the old site.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/11j13px.jpg)
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: Side-Oilers on April 02, 2018, 10:34:57 PM
Trivia about the above '67 GT500 photo:
 
That's George Elliott, then-Editor of Popular Hot Rodding, with the "I'm just casually wrenching on the engine" pose typical of car mag writers the world over.

Years later (1982-87) he was my boss during my time at PHR.  (By then, he had become Executive VP/Publisher.)

George is an accomplished drag racer, motorcycle racer, tech writer, photographer, editor, former president of SEMA, and great all-around guy.  He's still in the car biz, today.   
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: Bigblock on April 03, 2018, 07:46:11 AM
How many KR fastbacks are selling for $170-180,000?


WOW If KR fastbacks are selling for $180K  :o then mine might be available. I'll even throw in a gallon of Sherwin-Williams WT6066.

Hmm   $180K - $75K for a 427 Cougar = still a profit
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on April 03, 2018, 08:52:33 AM
    https://jackalexander.smugmug.com/Shelby-GT/n-XDz2Pr     Copy and paste this link in your browser.  Shelby GT 500 KR 1968
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: gt350cs on April 03, 2018, 09:46:48 AM
Thanks for posting the pictures. Much appreciated. Have fun with your project.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: cboss70 on April 03, 2018, 10:19:24 AM
If it were mine I would be tempted to NOT wash that exterior- looks awesome like that! Great project.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: OldMil on April 03, 2018, 10:49:42 AM
Nice solid project, Jack.  I would say that the price you paid is close to it's present value given the condition.  Good luck with it!   Cheers, Jack
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: 557 on April 03, 2018, 10:18:54 PM
Looks like a great place to start!Have fun with it..
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on April 06, 2018, 12:03:17 PM
Thanks for all the help guys. I am going to need a correct radiator for the car is anyone knows of one.
I presume they are Date coded?

Thanks,

Jack
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: gt350cs on April 06, 2018, 12:13:18 PM
I'm sure you will find what you are looking for here on this site. Many devote there expertise freely, hoping to keep the bad guys from taking advantage. Good luck in your journey.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: shelbymann1970 on April 06, 2018, 12:23:10 PM
    https://jackalexander.smugmug.com/Shelby-GT/n-XDz2Pr     Copy and paste this link in your browser.  Shelby GT 500 KR 1968
Wow nice set of Meats on that Corvette in the one pic. :)
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: 2112 on April 06, 2018, 01:30:11 PM

https://jackalexander.smugmug.com/Shelby-GT/n-XDz2Pr 
   
Wow nice set of Meats on that Corvette in the one pic. :)

+1
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on April 22, 2018, 04:28:57 PM
Just looked at recent Barrett Jackson auction in Scottsdale that (2) 68 KR fastbacks sold for over $200,000 ea. Exceptional cars true, but hopefully an indicator up some upward movement in values.

Jack (Tooeys)
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: Stubee on April 24, 2018, 08:28:37 PM
If I was fortunate enough to find that car I wouldn’t care about the cost to bring it back to it’s full glory.

The folks you will meet will far outweigh the cost and exceed the “continuation car” examples by a car length at the finish line.

The 68 GT 500 KR is one of the most beautiful and sought after cars of all time. To have a white one is a holy grail car IMHO.

Pull up your sleeves, the guys here will help you out, so be very happy with your purchase.


Thanks for sharing.

Stubee
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on April 26, 2018, 06:51:30 AM
Thanks you. That is very encouraging.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: BGlover67 on April 26, 2018, 09:55:55 AM
If I was fortunate enough to find that car I wouldn’t care about the cost to bring it back to it’s full glory.

The folks you will meet will far outweigh the cost and exceed the “continuation car” examples by a car length at the finish line.

The 68 GT 500 KR is one of the most beautiful and sought after cars of all time. To have a white one is a holy grail car IMHO.

Pull up your sleeves, the guys here will help you out, so be very happy with your purchase.


Thanks for sharing.




Stubee

+1  :)
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on May 04, 2018, 06:38:12 PM
Thank all of you so much. I will be definitely looking to all you great people that have replied to the news of my find to help me with your collective expertise.. The, hopefully, final court date is scheduled for this coming Friday. I spoke to the owner just a few minutes ago and we look to have everything wrapped up next week sometime if there is not another postponement..
I will keep you all posted.

Warm Regards,

Jack
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on July 04, 2018, 12:18:17 PM
I should be getting my white 68 KR soon. The cars original exterior appears to be with lower blue side stripes only. I have seen some 68's with two wide center stripes. Was that a later application? looks great but I'm afraid it is not original and will devalue if I add?

Thanks,

Jack
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: Coralsnake on July 04, 2018, 12:49:18 PM
The over the top stripes were not factory installed on any Shelby’s in 1968
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: deathsled on July 04, 2018, 01:12:04 PM
I should be getting my white 68 KR soon. The cars original exterior appears to be with lower blue side stripes only. I have seen some 68's with two wide center stripes. Was that a later application? looks great but I'm afraid it is not original and will devalue if I add?

Thanks,

Jack

I'd make the car your own.  If you want stripes go for it.  If you're looking to enter concours, then don't.  Put on some Torque Thrusts or other preferred rim and call it a day then enjoy.  If the paint is all original however, you might want to rethink the stripes idea and not put them on.
Title: Re: Barn find
Post by: tooeys on July 06, 2018, 10:18:39 AM
Love the poem.
Not original paint
Might go for judging when done but am probably willing to take the points for the look.
Doubt it would change the value much.

Thanks for the reply.