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Title: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: terlingua11 on February 23, 2018, 09:31:18 AM
I was going through my computer and crossed these images I had. 20 in total. I received them in 2006 and if I recall it was from someone who had personally taken them. Please let me know if after the first couple you want me to post the others or someone at the time was pulling my leg and these have already been out there-
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Post by: terlingua11 on February 23, 2018, 09:32:02 AM
Another set of 3
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Post by: terlingua11 on February 23, 2018, 09:33:21 AM
3 more.
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Post by: terlingua11 on February 23, 2018, 09:34:34 AM
127-129
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Post by: terlingua11 on February 23, 2018, 09:37:39 AM
They are uploading quickly so I'll post them all. Looks like maybe a crash at the end-
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Post by: terlingua11 on February 23, 2018, 09:39:50 AM
133-135
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Post by: terlingua11 on February 23, 2018, 09:40:30 AM
Last 3
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on February 23, 2018, 03:40:44 PM
Great photos ! from what I understand Leslie stalled his and Grant's Daytona (CSX2300) I stand to be corrected on the CSX # at the start, and got booted up the back by a Volvo P1800. Still went on to finish 13th.
Here's a photo of the damaged car during the race.

Mike
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Post by: Bigfoot on February 23, 2018, 03:51:09 PM
Cool
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Post by: Richstang on February 23, 2018, 04:49:57 PM
Wow! Great photos of Sebring in March 1965

Nice to see the starting grid from a spectator's point of view mid pack.
Daytona's, Cobra's, GT40's, and even a Mustang Pace car. I thought Sebring only used that pace car in 64.

Thanks for sharing!



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Post by: CSX 4133 on February 23, 2018, 07:16:39 PM

Thanks for sharing those photo's!
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Post by: sfm5s081 on August 13, 2018, 05:55:13 PM
Oh man! What great picts! Love those 904 Porsches! Of course they weren't much of a challenge for the Shelbys
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on August 29, 2018, 10:33:50 AM
I think this is Dave MacDonald ? checking out the rubber.  It looks like Laguna Seca ?
I love the atmosphere in photos like this, so evocative of a simpler time.

(no credit for photo)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Bigfoot on August 29, 2018, 10:53:39 AM
^^
Wurd
Itís crazy now with the Toter Homes with AC and 10 sets of tires etc.
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Post by: Migge on August 29, 2018, 05:00:51 PM
That's CSX2128 in the back when it had No. 50 and was blue.
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Post by: honker on August 31, 2018, 08:10:06 PM
This looks like Spa Belgium, or the Nurburgring. I don't recall ever seeing a Daytona coupe with that # on the rear window  ???
Behind is a series 11 Ferrari GTO, like the one that just sold for 48 million  :o a bargain considering the price of the last GTO with the regular body that sold for 70 million  ::)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Richstang on August 31, 2018, 10:43:34 PM
csx2287 at Spa

Great color photo!
Everything in my files were B&W.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on September 01, 2018, 09:05:02 PM
Johnson-Payne Daytona in the garage at Sebring '65. The box in front with the race number and logo "Official Snake Charmers Kit" is pretty kool 

(Tom Burnside photo from the REVS site)
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Post by: Richstang on September 02, 2018, 11:30:31 AM
Nice photo. Do we dare ask what was inside the box?
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Post by: Side-Oilers on September 02, 2018, 02:13:23 PM
Nice photo. Do we dare ask what was inside the box?

Chili...whiskey...and Carroll's little black book?
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on October 16, 2018, 09:12:35 PM
Manecas Pereira da Silva, '69 Mustang Angola.   :o  looks  like they just threw a cage in it and went racing, still on white walls & stock rims.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 6R07mi on October 24, 2018, 12:47:24 PM
csx2287 at Spa

Great color photo!
Everything in my files were B&W.

+1

higher detailed B&W photos

enjoy
jim p
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 6R07mi on October 24, 2018, 01:01:52 PM
More coupe in color;

64 Le Mans, CSX2299,

"wouldn't be easier if one of us got in and started it??"

enjoy
jim p
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on December 23, 2018, 04:08:13 PM
Here's an interesting shot of the Ford France Ford GT/109, at weigh in Le Mans 1965. not often you get to see the underside of these cars.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on March 20, 2019, 11:02:03 PM
Any one put a # to the Cobra ? looks like a blue GT350 behind, Herb Caplan in the Corvette.
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Post by: TA22 (Gary Goeringer) on March 20, 2019, 11:17:57 PM
csx3035, Dick Smith  ??
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Post by: kranky on March 21, 2019, 12:17:58 AM
Gary's right, 3035 (Dick Smith)...the medium green Shelby GT350 behind the Herb Caplan Corvette and next to Dick Smith is Richard GamboniÖOctober 1967, Laguna Seca.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: CSX 4133 on March 25, 2019, 11:12:17 PM

Found this online, hope it's not been posted previously. 1963 Road America, lots of great images of cars and their drivers.


https://www.davemacdonald.net/gallery/closeups/cobraroadamerica500.htm
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Side-Oilers on March 25, 2019, 11:22:46 PM
Wonder who drove the Corvair pace car?   He really had to do some fancy pedaling to keep in front of that pack!
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Post by: JD on March 25, 2019, 11:41:17 PM
Wonder who drove the Corvair pace car?   He really had to do some fancy pedaling to keep in front of that pack!

Hopefully for him it was one of the factory turbocharged Corvair Sypder's
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: shelbydoug on March 26, 2019, 08:20:59 AM
Any one put a # to the Cobra ? looks like a blue GT350 behind, Herb Caplan in the Corvette.

I think it is CSX 3008?
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 6R07mi on April 10, 2019, 06:42:10 PM
I was watching a youtube interview with Pete Brock and he was explaining CSX2287 at 1964 Spa was the 1st time they put a spoiler on the back end because Phil Hill has broken the lap record but the back end was unloading over the hill and it needed downforce.

If you look at the spoiler here it's obviously hand fabricated with just sheet aluminum and rod braces on the ends, Remington handywork !

All the rest of the 64 FIA season the spoiler is a more finished item.

I hadn't noticed that detail or heard the story. Learned another little factoid :)

regards,
jim p
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: shelbydoug on April 10, 2019, 07:24:40 PM
I was watching a youtube interview with Pete Brock and he was explaining CSX2287 at 1964 Spa was the 1st time they put a spoiler on the back end because Phil Hill has broken the lap record but the back end was unloading over the hill and it needed downforce.

If you look at the spoiler here it's obviously hand fabricated with just sheet aluminum and rod braces on the ends, Remington handywork !

All the rest of the 64 FIA season the spoiler is a more finished item.

I hadn't noticed that detail or heard the story. Learned another little factoid :)

regards,
jim p

No. That's the plywood spoiler.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Richstang on April 10, 2019, 08:03:22 PM
I have a several photos that Kieth 'SFM66H' and I have exchanged from Spa in May '64. I would think the added spoiler was the direct result of testing at Lemans in April. I'm not sure who that LM test Driver was (anyone know for certain). Perhaps the loose tail end over the hill at Spa was the final straw.

It looks as though the rear spoiler was made of fiberglass. The outer perimeter edge is a lip facing to the back of the car. It appears to be reinforced with a steel rod halfway up horizontally, with a vertical center support steel rod as well. The end struts don't seem to appear initially with the added spoiler. By that race start it looks like it was also added for further support.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: JD on April 10, 2019, 08:34:19 PM
From page 17 of Phil Henny's Book "Phil Remington - Rem Remembered by his Friends"...

(Note the "dots" across the back of the spoiler look the same as the ones in the image posted above.)

Note 2 - the text is from Pete Brock's section of Remembering Phil Remington.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Richstang on April 10, 2019, 09:58:20 PM
THANKS JD!

That explains everything, the four sections, the rod supports, the screws, and the rearward facing lip.
Kieth probably told me that story a few years ago, but I forgot.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: shelbydoug on April 11, 2019, 08:38:17 AM
The first picture is 1/2" plywood. I've worked with it enough over the last 50 years to recognize it.

What it has is a layer of fiberglass cloth which is attaching it to the rear deck "foot". This is what you would make the original form from.

Likely a mold was made from this and the most expedient way to create a useful if not "finished" piece would be to "cast it" from fiberglass mat.

Remember, these guys were "on the road" and working out of a rented garage somewhere or maybe even out in the open under the stars. High tech facilities were a little lacking under those circumstances.

It was just a race car. Functionality was what mattered. The finished results weren't exactly going into the Louvre?
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 6R07mi on April 11, 2019, 10:09:08 AM
I have a several photos that Kieth 'SFM66H' and I have exchanged from Spa in May '64. I would think the added spoiler was the direct result of testing at Lemans in April. I'm not sure who that LM test Driver was (anyone know for certain). Perhaps the loose tail end over the hill at Spa was the final straw.

The story as I recall was Jo Schlesser had escaped the wreck of GT/101 unharmed after posting a best time of 4:21, and was standing around the pits where the Coupe was inactive because the team was still down at the Targa Florio.
Jo asked if he could take it out and after Carroll was consulted he took his first laps in the coupe and recorded a 4:02 for the fasted GT+5.0 time.
The Circuit de la Sarthe doesn't have the sharp elevation changes like Spa and the rear-end didn't get as loose, but Jo did note when at top speed on the Mulsane the rear was light.
According to Brock he had been advocating with Remington a spoiler was needed but Phil wasn't convinced yet, until the event at Spa with Phil Hill.

this is not a attempt to state a historical fact just my recollection of various source accounts!

regards,
jim p
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on April 11, 2019, 05:36:05 PM
RE: Le Mans April '64 tests, in the Cobra Ferrari Wars book, it says that both Schlesser & Phil Hill drove CSX 2287, and both turned "moderate" laps, no times are given.

In the Time and Two Seats book, it says that at the April test,  Schlesser turned a 4:02.3 as stated by 6R07mi above. there is no mention of Phil Hill driving.

Also not an attempt to state a historical fact, but what I found in those two books.

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on April 11, 2019, 08:55:06 PM
Found some more info re: CSX 2287 at Le Mans tests, April '64.

Phil Hill did 4:20.7, big difference from Schlesser's 4:02.3, maybe Hill wasn't comfortable with the car ? it was wet and cold.

That info and the  two pics I've included are from a French forum I frequent.

Mike

sorry if the photos are large, new system on my computer that I haven't worked around yet !
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Richstang on April 12, 2019, 08:05:44 PM
Found some more info re: CSX 2287 at Le Mans tests, April '64.

Phil Hill did 4:20.7, big difference from Schlesser's 4:02.3, maybe Hill wasn't comfortable with the car ? it was wet and cold.

That info and the  two pics I've included are from a French forum I frequent.

Mike

sorry if the photos are large, new system on my computer that I haven't worked around yet !

The two added photos are terrific...and both are new to me! (We like them larger when possible.) Thanks for sharing them!
Great info on the lap times and the noted differences. The blurry photo posted show a tail spray coming off the car, so it might be likely that was reason for the big time differences between Phil Hill and Jo Schlesser

I have a several photos that Kieth 'SFM66H' and I have exchanged from Spa in May '64. I would think the added spoiler was the direct result of testing at Lemans in April. I'm not sure who that LM test Driver was (anyone know for certain). Perhaps the loose tail end over the hill at Spa was the final straw.

The story as I recall was Jo Schlesser had escaped the wreck of GT/101 unharmed after posting a best time of 4:21, and was standing around the pits where the Coupe was inactive because the team was still down at the Targa Florio.
Jo asked if he could take it out and after Carroll was consulted he took his first laps in the coupe and recorded a 4:02 for the fasted GT+5.0 time.
The Circuit de la Sarthe doesn't have the sharp elevation changes like Spa and the rear-end didn't get as loose, but Jo did note when at top speed on the Mulsane the rear was light.
According to Brock he had been advocating with Remington a spoiler was needed but Phil wasn't convinced yet, until the event at Spa with Phil Hill.

this is not a attempt to state a historical fact just my recollection of various source accounts!

regards,
jim p

Thanks for adding this story Jim. it appears to link my previous thought about LM testing and practice at SPA. It fills in some more pieces.
The attached photo was noted as Jo Schlesser driving.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on April 13, 2019, 11:56:10 PM
Here's a pretty beat looking Cobra, look at the camber on that front wheel  :o  this is at St. Jovite, in Quebec, not sure of the year.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on April 28, 2019, 10:06:13 AM
Dan Gurney & Bruce Mclaren's Eagle T1Gs, French GP '67. In my mind the prettiest Grand Prix cars ever !

Was there any interaction between Shelby's race program and Gurney's F1 program at that time ?

Mike
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Post by: Tom Honegger on April 28, 2019, 02:50:32 PM
Agreed. From the paint scheme, Eagle nose and wheels...best looking F1 car ever.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on April 29, 2019, 06:02:29 PM
Mercury   ???  My notes on this screen grab, say this is at the '70 Can-Am race at Road Atlanta, my first thought was the Ford G7A, but not with those valve covers !
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Post by: pbf777 on April 29, 2019, 07:04:20 PM
     I believe the cylinder heads under the "Mercury" valve covers appear to be Tunnel Port FE's.

     Scott.
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Post by: Wedgeman on April 29, 2019, 07:46:21 PM
6 intake bolts per side on a tunnel port .... 8)
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Post by: pbf777 on April 30, 2019, 12:08:13 PM
     Bolts? What bolts? Oh well, your eyes are better than mine!     :o

     My impression was based on that which I could see, which was the inlet port spacing, which seemed at least somewhat consistent with the T.P..    :)

     Scott.
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Post by: tesgt350 on April 30, 2019, 03:07:12 PM
Mercury   ???  My notes on this screen grab, say this is at the '70 Can-Am race at Road Atlanta, my first thought was the Ford G7A, but not with those valve covers !

Maybe THIS Mercury?
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on May 03, 2019, 02:56:55 PM
Snakes at Riverside 1965 ! why the X on the second #98 in the distance ?
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Post by: JD on May 03, 2019, 03:03:13 PM
Snakes at Riverside 1965 ! why the X on the second #98 in the distance ?

Experimental or driver is novice??
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Post by: Richstang on May 03, 2019, 05:14:32 PM
Snakes at Riverside 1965 ! why the X on the second #98 in the distance ?

Experimental or driver is novice??

Some of us tried to figure this out several years ago. You reminded me to look at this again, now that I have accumulated many more photos.
Thanks to 'Kranky' sharing a race event date/results list we have all the CSX numbers to sort through. This USRRC event was at Riverside on 5/2/1965

In YOUR attached photo we see from foreground to background
-CSX3002 #98 driver Ken Miles - car in the foreground
-CSX2558 #97 driver Bob Johnson -next car -although not shown, other pictures also show it with the added 'X'
-CSX2488 #2 Ed Leslie - 3rd car - again although not show here, another photo show it also had the 'X'
-CSX3012 #1 Lothar Motschenbacher - 4th car
-CSX2431 98 driver Ken Miles - Cobra in background - shown with 'X'

While a very good guess I'm sure none of the drivers were rookies. I'm doubtful any of the cars were experimental.
My guess is it had something to do with the GT class, as only the 289 Cobras had the 'X', not the 427 Cobras.
Perhaps it was during practice that the "X" was added to easily differentiate the Cobra's in each class.
I didn't notice the 'X' in some of the photos. I suspect those were taken just before or during the race.

I've attached another photo of the pit area looking from the other side at a few of the Cobras.
Rich

Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: JD on May 03, 2019, 05:18:50 PM
Maybe (?) was there to let workers/timing know the car was just testing, "shake-down" and not to compete??
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Richstang on May 03, 2019, 06:12:22 PM
Interesting thought JD,
Although all three 289 Cobra were raced in previously years, I think it was the first race of the season for them.

for the 427 Cobras; CSX 3002 (the other #98 Cobra) did race earlier in the at GVR.
I can't find any race history earlier in year for CSX 3012, but none of its photos show it with an 'X'.
The photos are from the same corners; here the two 427 Cobras...
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Richstang on May 03, 2019, 06:15:03 PM
and here are the three 289 Cobras
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Post by: shelbydoug on May 03, 2019, 07:07:48 PM
Snakes at Riverside 1965 ! why the X on the second #98 in the distance ?

Experimental or driver is novice??

Some of us tried to figure this out several years ago. You reminded me to look at this again, now that I have accumulated many more photos.
Thanks to 'Kranky' sharing a race event date/results list we have all the CSX numbers to sort through. This USRRC event was at Riverside on 5/2/1965

In YOUR attached photo we see from foreground to background
-CSX3002 #98 driver Ken Miles - car in the foreground
-CSX2558 #97 driver Bob Johnson -next car -although not shown, other pictures also show it with the added 'X'
-CSX2488 #2 Ed Leslie - 3rd car - again although not show here, another photo show it also had the 'X'
-CSX3012 #1 Lothar Motschenbacher - 4th car
-CSX2431 98 driver Ken Miles - Cobra in background - shown with 'X'

While a very good guess I'm sure none of the drivers were rookies. I'm doubtful any of the cars were experimental.
My guess is it had something to do with the GT class, as only the 289 Cobras had the 'X', not the 427 Cobras.
Perhaps it was during practice that the "X" was added to easily differentiate the Cobra's in each class.
I didn't notice the 'X' in some of the photos. I suspect those were taken just before or during the race.

I've attached another photo of the pit area looking from the other side at a few of the Cobras.
Rich

Are you sure that this wasn't just a Cobra/Chevy thing and the Cobras were just "Brand X"? There was lots of taunting going on between the Corvette and Cobra people then.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on May 04, 2019, 10:04:04 AM
shelbydoug, this what you mean by taunting  ;) Sports Car Graphic magazine.

There is an XP on this car as well, I think this was the first race for the Cobra ?

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: shelbydoug on May 04, 2019, 10:25:52 AM
shelbydoug, this what you mean by taunting  ;) Sports Car Graphic magazine.

There is an XP on this car as well, I think this was the first race for the Cobra ?

Mike

No Mike. It was between the drivers, the mechanics, the race teams themselves.

At one point one of the teams put a Ferrel cat in the trunk of another car. The thing wound up being terrified and attaching itself to the cars driver...painfully.

If they could have thrown hand grenades at each other and gotten away with it, they would have.

The picture in your post is what we now refer to as a "photo opportunity".  :)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: propayne on May 21, 2019, 10:00:06 AM
Scan from my August 1967 issue of Sports Car magazine.

- Phillip

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-210519095829.jpeg)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: CSX 4133 on May 21, 2019, 01:42:59 PM

The XP designation was required by SCCA as the Cobra had not yet reached it's production numbers to qualify for "Production class" of SCCA. So they ran as X Production cars in the interim per SCCA Reg's. Found on Page 15 of the article attached.

Interesting article with vintage photos of Corvette & Cobras of the day.

https://books.google.com/books?id=363HifpJYnsC&pg=PA15&lpg=PA15&dq=SCCA+designation+of+XP+on+Shelby+Cobras&source=bl&ots=V94xz5KiwC&sig=ACfU3U07H_ETLcZk-AIhgu3XmJLwhjQVOg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimlfnMjK3iAhWZJjQIHdQdB3kQ6AEwC3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=SCCA%20designation%20of%20XP%20on%20Shelby%20Cobras&f=true
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 6R07mi on June 18, 2019, 03:53:52 PM
I can't ID the driver, or track!
I think it may be either Bob Thorpe in CSX2162 or Ron West in CSX2011 ?

The hat is KILLER !

Can our cobra experts lend their expertise?

CSX2162 at W Palm Beach; 5-16-65 or 2/26/66,  Courtland AL 7/3/65 or 7/2/66 ( my leading theory )
CSX2011 at Green Valley 6/4/67 I don't think this is GV

Thank you
jim p
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 69mach351w on June 18, 2019, 06:20:37 PM
I love the penny-loafers 8)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Richstang on June 18, 2019, 06:47:27 PM
I had this photo noted as;

West Palm Beach, Fl.-SCCA Regional-3/6-7/1965
#97-csx2162-1st AP-race 6-Sunday-Bob Thorpe
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 6R07mi on July 10, 2019, 01:16:04 PM
Another photo I'd like to confirm location & car

It appears to be a cutback door USRRC car, in what I think is the esses at Elkhart Lk.,
 is that an inspection sticker inboard of RH headlamp?  RA ??

My leading theory is CSX2557, Richard Roe, Road America June Sprints, SCCA National June 18 1966
and how many of these cars had the dual side pipe configuration?
my "new" registry is at home so I can't look it up!

what say our Cobra experts ???

regards,
jim p
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 427heaven on July 10, 2019, 02:26:43 PM
I love the penny-loafers 8)
  Leather shoes dissipated heat better then anything at that time frame, burning hot floor boards had to be dealt with and that was the fix. Race shoes didn't come around for a few years. :-[
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 69mach351w on July 10, 2019, 05:02:56 PM
Snakes at Riverside 1965 ! why the X on the second #98 in the distance ?
May be that there can't be two "same number" cars. 
When I raced circle track back in the 90's, no duplicates of same number cars in the same class.

Now, the other cobra with X may be in another class?
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 6R07mi on July 17, 2019, 01:47:30 PM
Another photo I'd like to confirm location & car

It appears to be a cutback door USRRC car, in what I think is the esses at Elkhart Lk.,
 is that an inspection sticker inboard of RH headlamp?  RA ??

My leading theory is CSX2557, Richard Roe, Road America June Sprints, SCCA National June 18 1966
and how many of these cars had the dual side pipe configuration?
my "new" registry is at home so I can't look it up!

what say our Cobra experts ???  anyone ? Bueller?

regards,
jim p
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Richstang on July 17, 2019, 02:11:37 PM
Another photo I'd like to confirm location & car

It appears to be a cutback door USRRC car, in what I think is the esses at Elkhart Lk.,
 is that an inspection sticker inboard of RH headlamp?  RA ??

My leading theory is CSX2557, Richard Roe, Road America June Sprints, SCCA National June 18 1966
and how many of these cars had the dual side pipe configuration?
my "new" registry is at home so I can't look it up!

what say our Cobra experts ???

regards,
jim p

Well I'm not an expert, but I do have these photos in my files as CSX2557 Dick Roe at Road America 6/18/66
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on July 19, 2019, 05:01:09 PM
Cool photo I found of the Bondurant/Schlesser Daytona at Reims 1965, finished third overall, and first in GT. It sure was flat there ! you could see the cars coming for a long way !

What is the yellow square with the star on the left rear ?

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: JD on July 19, 2019, 10:06:12 PM
^^^have never seen that one before! nice photo - WOT!
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: shelbydoug on July 20, 2019, 06:31:40 AM
I love the penny-loafers 8)
  Leather shoes dissipated heat better then anything at that time frame, burning hot floor boards had to be dealt with and that was the fix. Race shoes didn't come around for a few years. :-[

Tom McCann's, $5.99 a pair.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on August 21, 2019, 07:37:08 PM
Any ideas on the # on this '66 at the Course de Cote du col Bayard hill climb,  France I think ? in '69.

Wolfgang on ponysite.de probably has the answer   ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Richstang on August 21, 2019, 08:11:18 PM
Nice photo.

Most likely France.   Course du cote = Hill Climb
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 6s2020 on September 10, 2019, 09:46:59 PM

Ken Miles racing down in OZ, 1965.

I was probably there that day, we went to all the big races at Lakeside, i would have been 7yo.

Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on November 16, 2019, 01:53:57 PM
Any ideas on the CSX # on this novice in a Cobra having a moment, 'nother Cobra far right as well, looks like Laguna Seca ?

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: TransamEd on November 17, 2019, 08:09:25 AM
Any ideas on the # on this '66 at the Course de Cote du col Bayard hill climb,  France I think ? in '69.

Wolfgang on ponysite.de probably has the answer   ;)

Mike
Driver Jean Deroudille acc. to the Autodiva.FR experts. Sold to a Doc in Dijon in 1969/70. 
Could be either 6S465, the 3rd car sent to Intersport/Paris or 6S397/6S398. These ones were raced in France.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on December 17, 2019, 12:44:05 AM
Just found this pic   8)   of CSX2300 in Japan, I think 1966 ? need to look in my registry.

Mike

Thanks to Richstang ! now corrected this is CSX 2300
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on January 15, 2020, 12:52:34 AM
"Orange Blossom Special" I think this is at Sebring 19?? looks like the Quintana '68 in the background. I believe there was a '69 or

'70 version of this car "Orange Blossom"  as well ?

Found it, it's a '70 Boss 9, was this one run in period, or is a more current build ?

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on January 19, 2020, 11:29:12 PM
Ford vs Ferrari  ;) any idea on the GT350 ? the car on the left is A Ferrari P4 Can-Am, raced in '67-'68 with I think factory support,

 then in private hands. Could it be Cumberland ?

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 1109RWHP on January 20, 2020, 12:43:29 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/lS0X7an.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 1109RWHP on January 20, 2020, 12:43:50 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/PjFAresh.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 1109RWHP on January 20, 2020, 12:44:08 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/FJPrqZ3h.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 1109RWHP on January 20, 2020, 12:44:25 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/2MbZg8zh.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: propayne on January 20, 2020, 09:11:35 AM
^^^ Thanks 1109RWHP!

That is from the June '68 issue of Stock Car Racing.

We've got Tiny Lund and Swede Savage (love that name!) on the front row of the 1968 Sandhill 250, Rockingham NC.

Cougars finished 1-2-3 that day, with eventual series champion Lund coming in first.

- Phillip
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: propayne on January 20, 2020, 09:47:45 AM
Here's a fun action shot from my copy of the November 1967 issue of Sports Car Graphic.

Looks like it was a rough day for the cars at the Marlboro Trans-Am race.

- Phillip

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-200120094441.jpeg)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on January 20, 2020, 10:10:49 AM
propayne, great posts with the Cougars !  here's the grid at Cumberland in '64, Mustang Pace Car and a number of Cobras !

looks similar terrain to my previous post here #78, of the Ferrari & GT350 on the grid.

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Richstang on January 20, 2020, 05:41:17 PM
Just found this pic   8)   of CSX2602 in Japan, I think 1966 ? need to look in my registry.

Mike

Excellent find!
 8)

I have it noted as csx2300;
#200 May 28, 1967 Funabashi, Japan 1st: Sakai Akira
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Richstang on January 20, 2020, 05:53:48 PM
Ford vs Ferrari  ;) any idea on the GT350 ? the car on the left is A Ferrari P4 Can-Am, raced in '67-'68 with I think factory support,

 then in private hands. Could it be Cumberland ?

Mike

That's Charlie Kemp's R model. I don't believe he went as far north as Cumberland.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on January 20, 2020, 07:53:34 PM
Definitely an airport course....Maybe Courtland, AL?
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 1109RWHP on January 20, 2020, 08:39:20 PM
Speaking of Charlie Kemp
(https://i.imgur.com/H47SuSxl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NDdL15Nh.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on January 20, 2020, 09:06:45 PM
Richstang & NC TRACKRAT, you guys got it, thanks, Kemp's 5R538 at I think Courtland, Alabama. Here's another shot I found from

 the same event.

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Bigfoot on January 20, 2020, 10:29:36 PM
"Orange Blossom Special" I think this is at Sebring 19?? looks like the Quintana '68 in the background. I believe there was a '69 or

'70 version of this car "Orange Blossom"  as well ?

Found it, it's a '70 Boss 9, was this one run in period, or is a more current build ?

Mike

70 B9 Boss 9 Orange Blossom is alive and well and raced in early mid 1970ís 12 hours of Sebring and 24 of Daytona if memory serves.
Have seen in the flesh.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Shelby_r_b on January 20, 2020, 11:30:01 PM
Dang, Mike!  You have quite the collection of pics.  Well done!
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on January 21, 2020, 10:07:56 PM
Shelby_r_b, thanks ! a lot of time trolling the net, and going through my stuff, of which my other half sez I have too much of  ;)

Lots of knowledge on this forum, we all contribute !  always neat to be able to solve a mystery, i.d a car etc together.

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on January 21, 2020, 10:11:01 PM
I believe this is CSX2009 that Holman-Moody ran at Nassau in 1962 & Sebring in '63, photo at the H/M facility.

You do what you have to do when you've forgotten the ramps for the trailer  ;D

Mike

(caption corrected per kranky)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: kranky on January 21, 2020, 10:48:06 PM
2009 at HM's shop prior to Sebring....
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on January 22, 2020, 02:57:18 PM
Thanks Kranky, caption to my post on CSX 2009 corrected ! checked my Holman-Moody book,  at first glance I assumed it was at

 Sebring, because of the car # and the buildings, which are similar to the ones at Holman-Moody. I wonder what was going on in

 that photo ?

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Side-Oilers on January 22, 2020, 05:12:02 PM
I believe this is CSX2009 that Holman-Moody ran at Nassau in 1962 & Sebring in '63, photo at the H/M facility.

You do what you have to do when you've forgotten the ramps for the trailer  ;D

Mike

(caption corrected per kranky)

That fulcrum point looks like it might be ready to cause some damage.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: rockhouse66 on January 23, 2020, 08:15:14 AM
"Orange Blossom Special" I think this is at Sebring 19?? looks like the Quintana '68 in the background. I believe there was a '69 or

'70 version of this car "Orange Blossom"  as well ?

Found it, it's a '70 Boss 9, was this one run in period, or is a more current build ?

Mike

I don't think that is Sebring.

70 B9 Boss 9 Orange Blossom is alive and well and raced in early mid 1970ís 12 hours of Sebring and 24 of Daytona if memory serves.
Have seen in the flesh.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on February 11, 2020, 05:38:34 PM
Not a Shelby, but a Mustang at Bonneville  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: deathsled on February 11, 2020, 05:48:20 PM
I believe this is CSX2009 that Holman-Moody ran at Nassau in 1962 & Sebring in '63, photo at the H/M facility.

You do what you have to do when you've forgotten the ramps for the trailer  ;D

Mike

(caption corrected per kranky)
That's distressing to see.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on March 29, 2020, 08:07:12 PM
Some great photos of Alan Grant & others with CSX 2128, what is the stadium you can see in the photo of the people riding on the car ? and who are they ? is that Shelby on the left rear fender ?

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on March 29, 2020, 08:21:32 PM
These are from Bridgehampton, New York, 1963. In the photo of the people under the ramp, ? ?  Miles...Shelby...Briggs Cunningham, probably his wife. The shot of the car on the lower part of the trailer, is this after the race, boy things are sure piled in there in a haphazard way  ::) It was different times, I remember reading about another race team owner who said they would park the rigs like this in motel parking lots, and never had any thing go missing.

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Side-Oilers on March 29, 2020, 08:29:54 PM
Some great photos of Alan Grant & others with CSX 2128, what is the stadium you can see in the photo of the people riding on the car ? and who are they ? is that Shelby on the left rear fender ?

Mike

Photo 2:  RIR?  Or, possibly Pomona?  Judging by the mountain in the distance.

Photo 3:  Dodger Staduim?  I don't think that's CS on the fender.

Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Side-Oilers on March 29, 2020, 08:31:51 PM
These are from Bridgehampton, New York, 1963. In the photo of the people under the ramp, ? ?  Miles...Shelby...Briggs Cunningham, probably his wife. The shot of the car on the lower part of the trailer, is this after the race, boy things are sure piled in there in a haphazard way  ::) It was different times, I remember reading about another race team owner who said they would park the rigs like this in motel parking lots, and never had any thing go missing.

Mike

Roger Penske took one look at how those tires were loaded and swore "Never on my team!"
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: kranky on March 29, 2020, 10:38:22 PM
Grant photo #2 should be Santa Barbara, due to the concrete surface and the tar strips.  Grant photo #3 is Candlestick baseball park.  I'd say the gentleman at the wheel of the Grant Cobra in photo #3 is John Olson his main mechanic, what looks to possibly be George Lucas (Star Wars) Grant's other mechanic on the passenger rear fender....I don't recognize the other passenger on the driver's side rear fender at the moment (looks like, Peter Brock, but it's not him and I can't read the name on the jacket).
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: sd427 on March 29, 2020, 11:12:02 PM
Yes, Dodger Stadium in the one photo.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: kranky on March 29, 2020, 11:18:39 PM
Allen Grant did not race at Dodger Stadium....it's Candlestick park (San Francisco, Ca.)Ö2026 and 2002 were the only Cobras to race at Dodger Stadium (March 1963).
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: sd427 on March 29, 2020, 11:41:06 PM
Yep, I see it now, similar looking though.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Side-Oilers on March 29, 2020, 11:42:32 PM
Thanks, as always, kranky!
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on April 07, 2020, 02:55:32 PM
Just posted on AUTOWEEK: https://www.autoweek.com/car-life/classic-cars/a32051340/watch-the-real-ken-miles-race-a-shelby-cobra-in-vintage-footage-from-the-petersen/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_aut&utm_medium=email&date=040720&utm_campaign=nl19950470&utm_content=B&utm_term=AAA%20--%20High%20Minus%20Dormant%20and%2090%20Day%20Non%20Openers
Watch from 7:50 to 10:50
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: propayne on April 07, 2020, 06:40:37 PM
Wow Stan!!!

That was priceless!

Terrific footage of Lloyd Bridges driving the Silhouette (custom car built by Bill Cushenberry) and great footage of Ed Roth and his Surfite (designed by one of my favorite artists of all-time Ed Newton and built on a 1962 Mini).

And of course best of all is the awesome footage of Ken Miles and his son Peter and Ken driving the Cobra.

Stick with it, there is more Cobra footage around the 29 minute mark.

At the end, Peterson thanks "Shelby-American Motors".

Great stuff.

- Phillip
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: mark p on April 07, 2020, 07:40:33 PM
there is another thread about this as well, over in the Lounge:
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=9985.msg84058;topicseen#msg84058

Cool stuff, and thanks (Phillip) for those additional details.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 69mach351w on April 08, 2020, 10:40:20 AM
I think Ken Miles was not only the baddest to get behind the wheel of ANYTHING he drove, but out of the race car, he was just a cool freaking Dude, what with the sunglasses, no shirt, his stance, he was just BAD ASS 🏁🏁🏁
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on April 11, 2020, 03:44:01 PM
Dan Gurney communicates in the universal language to an official at Monza Italy   8)

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 69mach351w on April 11, 2020, 06:14:46 PM
LOL, I like that one.  Must be holding Gurney for a penalty.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Don Johnston on April 11, 2020, 07:32:51 PM
Looking for good captions on that one. Preferably in English. 8)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: shelbydoug on April 28, 2020, 07:46:39 AM
Dan Gurney communicates in the universal language to an official at Monza Italy   8)

Mike

This is what happens when you "hang" with Ken Miles. You adopt his ways?

It has it's benefits. Your reply cuts to the heart of the matter. Simple and succinct.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: propayne on April 28, 2020, 08:53:47 AM
Speaking of Dan Gurney....

Here is one of his old Trans-Am rides kicking butt on the NASCAR Grand Touring (changed to Grand American in 1970) circuit.

Yes, this photo was shamefully pilfered from the internet, but it was so cool I had to share.

A client sent this to me for reference, I have recreated all of the decals for him to use on a tribute BME Grand Touring Cougar he has built.

That #16 on the roof is huge!

Back to this photo - it is Seiichi Suzuki at Daytona. For some reason there seem to be quite a few high quality photos taken of Suzuki and his Cougar at Daytona.

- Phillip

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-280420084522.jpeg)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on April 28, 2020, 03:29:25 PM
Phillip, thanks for posting that image of the Suzuki Cougar, new one for me. I have info that says seven Cougars ran in the Trans-

Am series, years not specified, but I think it was the early years '67 '68.

Moffat

Tatum
              )-where these two the same car ?
Pendelton

Hagen

Bud Moore

Rainville ( X bud Moore ? written off at '68 Sebring)

Waco (Estes)  this one ran different colours, I think over two years

Info I have says only three exist ?

I have images of all of these in my files, Should we have a separate thread for these Cougars, and the ones that ran in the

 NASCAR series ? Or are they covered somewhere else here, or on another forum ?

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 1109RWHP on April 28, 2020, 08:36:38 PM
Speaking of Dan Gurney....

Here is one of his old Trans-Am rides kicking butt on the NASCAR Grand Touring (changed to Grand American in 1970) circuit.

Yes, this photo was shamefully pilfered from the internet, but it was so cool I had to share.

A client sent this to me for reference, I have recreated all of the decals for him to use on a tribute BME Grand Touring Cougar he has built.

That #16 on the roof is huge!



Back to this photo - it is Seiichi Suzuki at Daytona. For some reason there seem to be quite a few high quality photos taken of Suzuki and his Cougar at Daytona.

- Phillip

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-280420084522.jpeg)

Does he have a build thread or pictures posted anywhere? I would love to see it.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on May 09, 2020, 09:37:14 AM
I posted this in the random car pictures thread  earlier, thought it relevant here as well.

Paddock '68 Nurburgring 1000kms,  '67 or '68 Mustang behind also.   CSX ?

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: propayne on May 09, 2020, 09:51:52 AM
Speaking of Dan Gurney....

Here is one of his old Trans-Am rides kicking butt on the NASCAR Grand Touring (changed to Grand American in 1970) circuit.

Yes, this photo was shamefully pilfered from the internet, but it was so cool I had to share.

A client sent this to me for reference, I have recreated all of the decals for him to use on a tribute BME Grand Touring Cougar he has built.

That #16 on the roof is huge!



Back to this photo - it is Seiichi Suzuki at Daytona. For some reason there seem to be quite a few high quality photos taken of Suzuki and his Cougar at Daytona.

- Phillip

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-280420084522.jpeg)

Does he have a build thread or pictures posted anywhere? I would love to see it.

No build thread that I know of. He has been sending me some progress pics. With his permission and when the Cougar is done I may start a dedicated thread here.

- Phillip
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: kranky on May 09, 2020, 11:18:02 AM
I posted this in the random car pictures thread  earlier, thought it relevant here as well.

Paddock '68 Nurburgring 1000kms,  '67 or '68 Mustang behind also.   CSX ?

Mike

It's COB6041.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on June 24, 2020, 03:17:40 PM
I'm really late with this, but thanks to Richstang (post # 87) , I've corrected my error  :-[  ::) way back in post (#76 ) here, the

CSX of the Daytona in Japan is CSX 2300. Here's another pic of the car I found  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on July 14, 2020, 08:25:46 PM
propayne, this is a replica, the info says it was built by Kendall Spears, that's all I know ?

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Shelby_r_b on July 14, 2020, 09:10:08 PM
propayne, this is a replica, the info says it was built by Kendall Spears, that's all I know ?

Mike

Iím not a Cougar guy, and that car is awesome!
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: CSX 4133 on July 14, 2020, 09:21:32 PM
Scroll down to picture 5 found on this link, this '68 Mercury  (formerly owned by Marty Beaulieu)  is currently owned by Gary Moore and raced in Vintage races.

http://vintagemotorsport.com/2020/06/photos-day-one-svras-vintage-grand-prix-mid-ohio/



Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: propayne on July 14, 2020, 09:57:30 PM
Yes Mike, I provided the decals (except for some of the smaller sponsor decals that are readily available) for Kendall's recreation of the championship winning 1968 Bud Moore Engineering Grand Touring Cougar. I wanted to make sure Kendall unveiled it before I posted any picture of it. I'll post some more on this thread when I get the chance.

And I just heard that Gary Moore will be bringing his Cougar to this summer's Jefferson 500 vintage race. I've seen it at VIR, very very cool Cougar that I think was built by Cobra Automative?

Looking forward to watching it run again a Summit Point.

- Phillip
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: CSX2259 on July 14, 2020, 11:00:06 PM
Per the Allen Grant photo, George Lucas in the white jacket, not CS on the fender, not sure who else is in the photo but they may be related to Coventry Motors?
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: propayne on July 15, 2020, 07:29:16 AM
Some more pictures of the NASCAR Grant Touring Cougar tribute built by Kendall Spears with decals by me (Pro Payne Graphics).

- Phillip

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-150720072833.jpeg)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: CSX 4133 on July 15, 2020, 12:57:00 PM
Yes Mike, I provided the decals (except for some of the smaller sponsor decals that are readily available) for Kendall's recreation of the championship winning 1968 Bud Moore Engineering Grand Touring Cougar. I wanted to make sure Kendall unveiled it before I posted any picture of it. I'll post some more on this thread when I get the chance.

And I just heard that Gary Moore will be bringing his Cougar to this summer's Jefferson 500 vintage race. I've seen it at VIR, very very cool Cougar that I think was built by Cobra Automative?

Looking forward to watching it run again a Summit Point.



- Phillip

Phil, I am a maybe so far for Summit Point. Waiting to hear if my support team (Olthofff Racing) will be making the trek or not.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: propayne on July 15, 2020, 02:16:51 PM
I sure hope you can make it Steven, it would be great to see you and get some pictures of your Shelby!

Normally, I do the posters for the race. Tommy Kendall was set to be the Grand Marshal this year and the poster was all ready to go to the printer when the pandemic hit.

So no banquet this year (where they auction off one of the signed posters) and no poster  :(

But at least they are going to have the event and I think Tommy is on the hook for next year.

Hopefully I will see you there.

Since this is a "Vintage Racing Images" thread, below is what the poster would have looked like.

- Phillip

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-150720141202.jpeg)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Shelby_r_b on July 15, 2020, 02:17:03 PM
You cannot beat the look of Hoosier tires.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: CSX 4133 on July 16, 2020, 08:50:01 PM

Sadly Summit Point was cancelled due to the new Covid restrictions in WV. This sucks, now I wish I'd entered the Hawk at Road America instead.   >:(
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: propayne on July 16, 2020, 10:07:20 PM
^^^ yeah, very disappointed.

- Phillip
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on July 25, 2020, 01:50:28 PM
Can any one i.d. these GT350s at Elkhart Lake, Road America, I believe June, '65 ?

You can see the smoke from the restaurant in the back ground, I can taste those brats  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Coralsnake on July 25, 2020, 02:14:22 PM
More clues for you  ;)

http://elfners.com/photos/1965-06/
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: gt350cs on July 25, 2020, 02:16:40 PM
Mike,

My records show three GT350s in that race:

Number 3 driven by Lynn Blanchard - 5S145
Number 11 driven by Tom Yeager - 5R094
Number 33 driven by Dan Gerber - Either 5R099 or 5R103 perjaps someone can verify.

Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: gt350cs on July 25, 2020, 02:30:15 PM
Mike I am not sure that you have the correct race. The number 33 car with that paint appeared in only one race before being repainted to the original white with blue stripes as instructed by Shelby. Bob had the car on consignment and returned it to Shelby at the end of the season. That car was 5R102. 
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Coralsnake on July 25, 2020, 03:28:32 PM
The same two cars are shown in the photo link I posted. 😐
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: kranky on July 25, 2020, 03:41:12 PM
The #33 GT350 is 5R102 driven by Dan Gerber since Bob Johnson was in a Daytona Coupe at Le Mans on the same weekend as the June Sprints at Road America.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Richstang on July 25, 2020, 04:57:17 PM
Mike I am not sure that you have the correct race. The number 33 car with that paint appeared in only one race before being repainted to the original white with blue stripes as instructed by Shelby. Bob had the car on consignment and returned it to Shelby at the end of the season. That car was 5R102.

Mike, great photo find!

The three cars Dennis notes would have raced at the same events as they were all competing in that SCCA Regional class.

My notes suggest 5r102 (#33) raced with the gray/scarlet paint scheme for 6 events.
The 5/15/65 race at Cumberland shows it in white. It doesn't appear in photos as white again until 8/8/65 at Lynndale Farms.
I've only found photos for 3 of the 6 events so far (RA, St. Jovite, and Mid-Ohio) showing it in grey/scarlet.

Kranky, great point made on Dan Gerber racing 5r102 at RA. Thank You.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on July 25, 2020, 05:14:11 PM
Coralsnake, thanks for that link what a great set of photos, from another era, the post war years.

Thanks to the others as well for your input.

Here are two more photos from that set with the two GT350s, marked June '65, maybe they will help us clarify the date.

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Coralsnake on July 25, 2020, 05:29:02 PM
Im confused? Are we looking at same photos? I see both of the cars from the original post (136) in the link?
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on July 25, 2020, 08:07:51 PM
Coralsnake, the link to photos you posted, and the three photos I put up are not from the same source, I found them on Facebook

the    Remembrances of Elkhart Lake/Road America Public Group Facebook   it's an open group any one can view it, there are a lot

of neat images there.

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on July 26, 2020, 09:04:08 PM
 Great photo ! Riverside  ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Richstang on August 06, 2020, 01:10:24 PM
Great photo ! Riverside  ;)

Mike

Mike you find some great photos, thanks for posting this one of 5R108!
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on October 24, 2020, 03:38:32 PM
Here's a couple more I found.  8)

 is the Daytona CSX2287 ? that is a pretty cool photo, lots to see ! where at the facility is that taken ?

I believe that is the Turd ? in primer, ready for paint.

Is this the Miles car, next to the Turd, there is  another photo if it in another thread, in  the paddock at Riverside ? that was

 discussed here before by Szabo and others, has the BRDC (British Racing Drivers Club) decal on the door

(all pics: Kevin Leslie) is he some one who worked at Shelby ?

Mike



Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Szabo on October 24, 2020, 05:19:56 PM
Great Pics from LAX

The Daytona stand Hangar 9 backside
Under the open roof
Befor Outdoor Paint both
Right behind the Show car aera
Look on 2nd pic I post where the street gt350 stand in the crowed

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For The Turd and Ken Miles 427 Race cobra
I can only suggest this was made in the Show car aera
but dont See any Details

98 with the sticker was In the open house event
Also

Maybe we that Pics was made befor june 1965 ?

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Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: wcampbell on December 30, 2020, 01:00:16 PM
Can someone put a timeframe on the picture showing an unidentified amateur COBRA having a moment (5th page)? I only ask because my cobra was painted white from the late 60's until late 70's and was racing in California as an independent entry through out this time. The car initially had 4" side exhaust, roll bar and mag wheels in the early part of it's racing career and then by the mid 70's received larger flares, oil cooler as well as hood scoop. I've been trying to find photos of the car in action.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: kranky on December 30, 2020, 03:04:27 PM
Since the photo quality is poor....the location is correct, in that it is Laguna Seca, most likely in the early 1970's (possibly around 1971-72).  The #99, upkicked side exhaust, chopped down plexi front windscreen, 427 wheels front and rear, AP class designation, white exterior color and what looks to be a 427 competition gas cap on the passenger rear....looks to be pointing out that this is the Dick Workman 427 Cobra (3137).  What number is your Cobra?
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: wcampbell on December 30, 2020, 04:24:39 PM
CSX2177 - I only mentioned because other than the gas cap location most other mods kinda match mine.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on January 29, 2021, 09:27:14 PM
here are some more pics I found of 5R108, does any one know anything about the red car ahead of 5R108 at Riverside (posted this

 one before here) has some instruments on the dash, the poster on another forum said he drove the red one from Shelby American

 to Riverside ?

(photos: Wayne Hill)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on February 07, 2021, 09:36:27 AM
The red car doesn't look like a GT350 to me.  It has no Plexi-quarter windows.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on February 27, 2021, 11:33:35 AM
I have these two images in my files, both marked as Riverside  Sept. 18th. 1966. One photo shows the start, the other shows the

 cars lined up on the track with the Titus Mustang in the foreground, looks like a photo op, is this something that was done ? Or are

 these two different events ? Can we identify the fourth car behind the Titus Mustang ?

Mike

(photos: no credit)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 1109RWHP on February 27, 2021, 10:54:02 PM
The cars lined up are :
Mustang
Mustang
Mustang
63 Falcon with a 64 body on it
Dodge Dart
Dodge Dart
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: Coralsnake on February 28, 2021, 07:48:30 AM
Top photo looks like Riverside. The poles are a give away.

Headlights appear to be taped differently
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: honker on March 06, 2021, 12:28:26 PM
Cobras always attract a crowd ! Comstock Cobra at Mosport, Canada 1963. This sort of crowd around cars wouldn't happen today !

I went to Mosport right from the start, when it was a big race, traffic was stopped 3 miles from the track on race day ! Getting out

 at the end of the day was also a challenge. I'm sure this happened at other tracks as well.


(photo: Ken Graham)
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: 69mach351w on March 06, 2021, 03:03:20 PM
Cool vintage photo honker ;)

Notice the early backpack the kid has on his back. Looks like leather straps. Possibly the whole thing is leather.

Just think, a lot of those kids will end up drafted to Vietnam.
Title: Re: Vintage Racing Images
Post by: propayne on March 07, 2021, 10:42:44 AM
From an old book I have; "The Complete Book of NASCAR Stock Car Racing".

- Phillip

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