I was going through my computer and crossed these images I had. 20 in total. I received them in 2006 and if I recall it was from someone who had personally taken them. Please let me know if after the first couple you want me to post the others or someone at the time was pulling my leg and these have already been out there-
Another set of 3
3 more.
127-129
They are uploading quickly so I'll post them all. Looks like maybe a crash at the end-
133-135
Last 3
Great photos ! from what I understand Leslie stalled his and Grant's Daytona (CSX2300) I stand to be corrected on the CSX # at the start, and got booted up the back by a Volvo P1800. Still went on to finish 13th.
Here's a photo of the damaged car during the race.
Mike
Cool
Wow! Great photos of Sebring in March 1965
Nice to see the starting grid from a spectator's point of view mid pack.
Daytona's, Cobra's, GT40's, and even a Mustang Pace car. I thought Sebring only used that pace car in 64.
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing those photo's!
Oh man! What great picts! Love those 904 Porsches! Of course they weren't much of a challenge for the Shelbys
I think this is Dave MacDonald ? checking out the rubber. It looks like Laguna Seca ?
I love the atmosphere in photos like this, so evocative of a simpler time.
(no credit for photo)
^^
Wurd
It's crazy now with the Toter Homes with AC and 10 sets of tires etc.
That's CSX2128 in the back when it had No. 50 and was blue.
This looks like Spa Belgium, or the Nurburgring. I don't recall ever seeing a Daytona coupe with that # on the rear window ???
Behind is a series 11 Ferrari GTO, like the one that just sold for 48 million :o a bargain considering the price of the last GTO with the regular body that sold for 70 million ::)
csx2287 at Spa
Great color photo!
Everything in my files were B&W.
Johnson-Payne Daytona in the garage at Sebring '65. The box in front with the race number and logo "Official Snake Charmers Kit" is pretty kool
(Tom Burnside photo from the REVS site)
Nice photo. Do we dare ask what was inside the box?
Quote from: Richstang on September 02, 2018, 11:30:31 AM
Nice photo. Do we dare ask what was inside the box?
Chili...whiskey...and Carroll's little black book?
Manecas Pereira da Silva, '69 Mustang Angola. :o looks like they just threw a cage in it and went racing, still on white walls & stock rims.
Quote from: Richstang on August 31, 2018, 10:43:34 PM
csx2287 at Spa
Great color photo!
Everything in my files were B&W.
+1
higher detailed B&W photos
enjoy
jim p
More coupe in color;
64 Le Mans, CSX2299,
"wouldn't be easier if one of us got in and started it??"
enjoy
jim p
Here's an interesting shot of the Ford France Ford GT/109, at weigh in Le Mans 1965. not often you get to see the underside of these cars.
Any one put a # to the Cobra ? looks like a blue GT350 behind, Herb Caplan in the Corvette.
csx3035, Dick Smith ??
Gary's right, 3035 (Dick Smith)...the medium green Shelby GT350 behind the Herb Caplan Corvette and next to Dick Smith is Richard Gamboni...October 1967, Laguna Seca.
Found this online, hope it's not been posted previously. 1963 Road America, lots of great images of cars and their drivers.
https://www.davemacdonald.net/gallery/closeups/cobraroadamerica500.htm
Wonder who drove the Corvair pace car? He really had to do some fancy pedaling to keep in front of that pack!
Quote from: Side-Oilers on March 25, 2019, 11:22:46 PM
Wonder who drove the Corvair pace car? He really had to do some fancy pedaling to keep in front of that pack!
Hopefully for him it was one of the factory turbocharged Corvair Sypder's
Quote from: honker on March 20, 2019, 11:02:03 PM
Any one put a # to the Cobra ? looks like a blue GT350 behind, Herb Caplan in the Corvette.
I think it is CSX 3008?
I was watching a youtube interview with Pete Brock and he was explaining CSX2287 at 1964 Spa was the 1st time they put a spoiler on the back end because Phil Hill has broken the lap record but the back end was unloading over the hill and it needed downforce.
If you look at the spoiler here it's obviously hand fabricated with just sheet aluminum and rod braces on the ends, Remington handywork !
All the rest of the 64 FIA season the spoiler is a more finished item.
I hadn't noticed that detail or heard the story. Learned another little factoid :)
regards,
jim p
Quote from: 6R07mi on April 10, 2019, 06:42:10 PM
I was watching a youtube interview with Pete Brock and he was explaining CSX2287 at 1964 Spa was the 1st time they put a spoiler on the back end because Phil Hill has broken the lap record but the back end was unloading over the hill and it needed downforce.
If you look at the spoiler here it's obviously hand fabricated with just sheet aluminum and rod braces on the ends, Remington handywork !
All the rest of the 64 FIA season the spoiler is a more finished item.
I hadn't noticed that detail or heard the story. Learned another little factoid :)
regards,
jim p
No. That's the plywood spoiler.
I have a several photos that Kieth 'SFM66H' and I have exchanged from Spa in May '64. I would think the added spoiler was the direct result of testing at Lemans in April. I'm not sure who that LM test Driver was (anyone know for certain). Perhaps the loose tail end over the hill at Spa was the final straw.
It looks as though the rear spoiler was made of fiberglass. The outer perimeter edge is a lip facing to the back of the car. It appears to be reinforced with a steel rod halfway up horizontally, with a vertical center support steel rod as well. The end struts don't seem to appear initially with the added spoiler. By that race start it looks like it was also added for further support.
From page 17 of Phil Henny's Book "Phil Remington - Rem Remembered by his Friends"...
(Note the "dots" across the back of the spoiler look the same as the ones in the image posted above.)
Note 2 - the text is from Pete Brock's section of Remembering Phil Remington.
THANKS JD!
That explains everything, the four sections, the rod supports, the screws, and the rearward facing lip.
Kieth probably told me that story a few years ago, but I forgot.
The first picture is 1/2" plywood. I've worked with it enough over the last 50 years to recognize it.
What it has is a layer of fiberglass cloth which is attaching it to the rear deck "foot". This is what you would make the original form from.
Likely a mold was made from this and the most expedient way to create a useful if not "finished" piece would be to "cast it" from fiberglass mat.
Remember, these guys were "on the road" and working out of a rented garage somewhere or maybe even out in the open under the stars. High tech facilities were a little lacking under those circumstances.
It was just a race car. Functionality was what mattered. The finished results weren't exactly going into the Louvre?
I have a several photos that Kieth 'SFM66H' and I have exchanged from Spa in May '64. I would think the added spoiler was the direct result of testing at Lemans in April. I'm not sure who that LM test Driver was (anyone know for certain). Perhaps the loose tail end over the hill at Spa was the final straw.
The story as I recall was Jo Schlesser had escaped the wreck of GT/101 unharmed after posting a best time of 4:21, and was standing around the pits where the Coupe was inactive because the team was still down at the Targa Florio.
Jo asked if he could take it out and after Carroll was consulted he took his first laps in the coupe and recorded a 4:02 for the fasted GT+5.0 time.
The Circuit de la Sarthe doesn't have the sharp elevation changes like Spa and the rear-end didn't get as loose, but Jo did note when at top speed on the Mulsane the rear was light.
According to Brock he had been advocating with Remington a spoiler was needed but Phil wasn't convinced yet, until the event at Spa with Phil Hill.
this is not a attempt to state a historical fact just my recollection of various source accounts!
regards,
jim p
RE: Le Mans April '64 tests, in the Cobra Ferrari Wars book, it says that both Schlesser & Phil Hill drove CSX 2287, and both turned "moderate" laps, no times are given.
In the Time and Two Seats book, it says that at the April test, Schlesser turned a 4:02.3 as stated by 6R07mi above. there is no mention of Phil Hill driving.
Also not an attempt to state a historical fact, but what I found in those two books.
Mike
Found some more info re: CSX 2287 at Le Mans tests, April '64.
Phil Hill did 4:20.7, big difference from Schlesser's 4:02.3, maybe Hill wasn't comfortable with the car ? it was wet and cold.
That info and the two pics I've included are from a French forum I frequent.
Mike
sorry if the photos are large, new system on my computer that I haven't worked around yet !
Quote from: honker on April 11, 2019, 08:55:06 PM
Found some more info re: CSX 2287 at Le Mans tests, April '64.
Phil Hill did 4:20.7, big difference from Schlesser's 4:02.3, maybe Hill wasn't comfortable with the car ? it was wet and cold.
That info and the two pics I've included are from a French forum I frequent.
Mike
sorry if the photos are large, new system on my computer that I haven't worked around yet !
The two added photos are terrific...and both are new to me! (We like them larger when possible.) Thanks for sharing them!
Great info on the lap times and the noted differences. The blurry photo posted show a tail spray coming off the car, so it might be likely that was reason for the big time differences between Phil Hill and Jo Schlesser
Quote from: 6R07mi on April 11, 2019, 10:09:08 AM
I have a several photos that Kieth 'SFM66H' and I have exchanged from Spa in May '64. I would think the added spoiler was the direct result of testing at Lemans in April. I'm not sure who that LM test Driver was (anyone know for certain). Perhaps the loose tail end over the hill at Spa was the final straw.
The story as I recall was Jo Schlesser had escaped the wreck of GT/101 unharmed after posting a best time of 4:21, and was standing around the pits where the Coupe was inactive because the team was still down at the Targa Florio.
Jo asked if he could take it out and after Carroll was consulted he took his first laps in the coupe and recorded a 4:02 for the fasted GT+5.0 time.
The Circuit de la Sarthe doesn't have the sharp elevation changes like Spa and the rear-end didn't get as loose, but Jo did note when at top speed on the Mulsane the rear was light.
According to Brock he had been advocating with Remington a spoiler was needed but Phil wasn't convinced yet, until the event at Spa with Phil Hill.
this is not a attempt to state a historical fact just my recollection of various source accounts!
regards,
jim p
Thanks for adding this story Jim. it appears to link my previous thought about LM testing and practice at SPA. It fills in some more pieces.
The attached photo was noted as Jo Schlesser driving.
Here's a pretty beat looking Cobra, look at the camber on that front wheel :o this is at St. Jovite, in Quebec, not sure of the year.
Dan Gurney & Bruce Mclaren's Eagle T1Gs, French GP '67. In my mind the prettiest Grand Prix cars ever !
Was there any interaction between Shelby's race program and Gurney's F1 program at that time ?
Mike
Agreed. From the paint scheme, Eagle nose and wheels...best looking F1 car ever.
Mercury ??? My notes on this screen grab, say this is at the '70 Can-Am race at Road Atlanta, my first thought was the Ford G7A, but not with those valve covers !
I believe the cylinder heads under the "Mercury" valve covers appear to be Tunnel Port FE's.
Scott.
6 intake bolts per side on a tunnel port .... 8)
Bolts? What bolts? Oh well, your eyes are better than mine! :o
My impression was based on that which I could see, which was the inlet port spacing, which seemed at least somewhat consistent with the T.P.. :)
Scott.
Quote from: honker on April 29, 2019, 06:02:29 PM
Mercury ??? My notes on this screen grab, say this is at the '70 Can-Am race at Road Atlanta, my first thought was the Ford G7A, but not with those valve covers !
Maybe THIS Mercury?
Snakes at Riverside 1965 ! why the X on the second #98 in the distance ?
Quote from: honker on May 03, 2019, 02:56:55 PM
Snakes at Riverside 1965 ! why the X on the second #98 in the distance ?
Experimental or driver is novice??
Quote from: JD on May 03, 2019, 03:03:13 PM
Quote from: honker on May 03, 2019, 02:56:55 PM
Snakes at Riverside 1965 ! why the X on the second #98 in the distance ?
Experimental or driver is novice??
Some of us tried to figure this out several years ago. You reminded me to look at this again, now that I have accumulated many more photos.
Thanks to 'Kranky' sharing a race event date/results list we have all the CSX numbers to sort through. This USRRC event was at Riverside on 5/2/1965
In YOUR attached photo we see from foreground to background
-CSX3002 #98 driver Ken Miles - car in the foreground
-CSX2558 #97 driver Bob Johnson -next car -although not shown, other pictures also show it with the added 'X'
-CSX2488 #2 Ed Leslie - 3rd car - again although not show here, another photo show it also had the 'X'
-CSX3012 #1 Lothar Motschenbacher - 4th car
-CSX2431 98 driver Ken Miles - Cobra in background - shown with 'X'
While a very good guess I'm sure none of the drivers were rookies. I'm doubtful any of the cars were experimental.
My guess is it had something to do with the GT class, as only the 289 Cobras had the 'X', not the 427 Cobras.
Perhaps it was during practice that the "X" was added to easily differentiate the Cobra's in each class.
I didn't notice the 'X' in some of the photos. I suspect those were taken just before or during the race.
I've attached another photo of the pit area looking from the other side at a few of the Cobras.
Rich
Maybe (?) was there to let workers/timing know the car was just testing, "shake-down" and not to compete??
Interesting thought JD,
Although all three 289 Cobra were raced in previously years, I think it was the first race of the season for them.
for the 427 Cobras; CSX 3002 (the other #98 Cobra) did race earlier in the at GVR.
I can't find any race history earlier in year for CSX 3012, but none of its photos show it with an 'X'.
The photos are from the same corners; here the two 427 Cobras...
and here are the three 289 Cobras
Quote from: Richstang on May 03, 2019, 05:14:32 PM
Quote from: JD on May 03, 2019, 03:03:13 PM
Quote from: honker on May 03, 2019, 02:56:55 PM
Snakes at Riverside 1965 ! why the X on the second #98 in the distance ?
Experimental or driver is novice??
Some of us tried to figure this out several years ago. You reminded me to look at this again, now that I have accumulated many more photos.
Thanks to 'Kranky' sharing a race event date/results list we have all the CSX numbers to sort through. This USRRC event was at Riverside on 5/2/1965
In YOUR attached photo we see from foreground to background
-CSX3002 #98 driver Ken Miles - car in the foreground
-CSX2558 #97 driver Bob Johnson -next car -although not shown, other pictures also show it with the added 'X'
-CSX2488 #2 Ed Leslie - 3rd car - again although not show here, another photo show it also had the 'X'
-CSX3012 #1 Lothar Motschenbacher - 4th car
-CSX2431 98 driver Ken Miles - Cobra in background - shown with 'X'
While a very good guess I'm sure none of the drivers were rookies. I'm doubtful any of the cars were experimental.
My guess is it had something to do with the GT class, as only the 289 Cobras had the 'X', not the 427 Cobras.
Perhaps it was during practice that the "X" was added to easily differentiate the Cobra's in each class.
I didn't notice the 'X' in some of the photos. I suspect those were taken just before or during the race.
I've attached another photo of the pit area looking from the other side at a few of the Cobras.
Rich
Are you sure that this wasn't just a Cobra/Chevy thing and the Cobras were just "Brand X"? There was lots of taunting going on between the Corvette and Cobra people then.
shelbydoug, this what you mean by taunting ;) Sports Car Graphic magazine.
There is an XP on this car as well, I think this was the first race for the Cobra ?
Mike
Quote from: honker on May 04, 2019, 10:04:04 AM
shelbydoug, this what you mean by taunting ;) Sports Car Graphic magazine.
There is an XP on this car as well, I think this was the first race for the Cobra ?
Mike
No Mike. It was between the drivers, the mechanics, the race teams themselves.
At one point one of the teams put a Ferrel cat in the trunk of another car. The thing wound up being terrified and attaching itself to the cars driver...painfully.
If they could have thrown hand grenades at each other and gotten away with it, they would have.
The picture in your post is what we now refer to as a "photo opportunity". :)
Scan from my August 1967 issue of Sports Car magazine.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-210519095829.jpeg)
The XP designation was required by SCCA as the Cobra had not yet reached it's production numbers to qualify for "Production class" of SCCA. So they ran as X Production cars in the interim per SCCA Reg's. Found on Page 15 of the article attached.
Interesting article with vintage photos of Corvette & Cobras of the day.
https://books.google.com/books?id=363HifpJYnsC&pg=PA15&lpg=PA15&dq=SCCA+designation+of+XP+on+Shelby+Cobras&source=bl&ots=V94xz5KiwC&sig=ACfU3U07H_ETLcZk-AIhgu3XmJLwhjQVOg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimlfnMjK3iAhWZJjQIHdQdB3kQ6AEwC3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=SCCA%20designation%20of%20XP%20on%20Shelby%20Cobras&f=true
I can't ID the driver, or track!
I think it may be either Bob Thorpe in CSX2162 or Ron West in CSX2011 ?
The hat is KILLER !
Can our cobra experts lend their expertise?
CSX2162 at W Palm Beach; 5-16-65 or 2/26/66, Courtland AL 7/3/65 or 7/2/66 ( my leading theory )
CSX2011 at Green Valley 6/4/67 I don't think this is GV
Thank you
jim p
I love the penny-loafers 8)
I had this photo noted as;
West Palm Beach, Fl.-SCCA Regional-3/6-7/1965
#97-csx2162-1st AP-race 6-Sunday-Bob Thorpe
Another photo I'd like to confirm location & car
It appears to be a cutback door USRRC car, in what I think is the esses at Elkhart Lk.,
is that an inspection sticker inboard of RH headlamp? RA ??
My leading theory is CSX2557, Richard Roe, Road America June Sprints, SCCA National June 18 1966
and how many of these cars had the dual side pipe configuration?
my "new" registry is at home so I can't look it up!
what say our Cobra experts ???
regards,
jim p
Quote from: 69mach351w on June 18, 2019, 06:20:37 PM
I love the penny-loafers 8)
Leather shoes dissipated heat better then anything at that time frame, burning hot floor boards had to be dealt with and that was the fix. Race shoes didn't come around for a few years. :-[
Quote from: honker on May 03, 2019, 02:56:55 PM
Snakes at Riverside 1965 ! why the X on the second #98 in the distance ?
May be that there can't be two "same number" cars.
When I raced circle track back in the 90's, no duplicates of same number cars in the same class.
Now, the other cobra with X may be in another class?
Quote from: 6R07mi on July 10, 2019, 01:16:04 PM
Another photo I'd like to confirm location & car
It appears to be a cutback door USRRC car, in what I think is the esses at Elkhart Lk.,
is that an inspection sticker inboard of RH headlamp? RA ??
My leading theory is CSX2557, Richard Roe, Road America June Sprints, SCCA National June 18 1966
and how many of these cars had the dual side pipe configuration?
my "new" registry is at home so I can't look it up!
what say our Cobra experts ??? anyone ? Bueller?
regards,
jim p
Quote from: 6R07mi on July 10, 2019, 01:16:04 PM
Another photo I'd like to confirm location & car
It appears to be a cutback door USRRC car, in what I think is the esses at Elkhart Lk.,
is that an inspection sticker inboard of RH headlamp? RA ??
My leading theory is CSX2557, Richard Roe, Road America June Sprints, SCCA National June 18 1966
and how many of these cars had the dual side pipe configuration?
my "new" registry is at home so I can't look it up!
what say our Cobra experts ???
regards,
jim p
Well I'm not an expert, but I do have these photos in my files as CSX2557 Dick Roe at Road America 6/18/66
Cool photo I found of the Bondurant/Schlesser Daytona at Reims 1965, finished third overall, and first in GT. It sure was flat there ! you could see the cars coming for a long way !
What is the yellow square with the star on the left rear ?
Mike
^^^have never seen that one before! nice photo - WOT!
Quote from: 427heaven on July 10, 2019, 02:26:43 PM
Quote from: 69mach351w on June 18, 2019, 06:20:37 PM
I love the penny-loafers 8)
Leather shoes dissipated heat better then anything at that time frame, burning hot floor boards had to be dealt with and that was the fix. Race shoes didn't come around for a few years. :-[
Tom McCann's, $5.99 a pair.
Any ideas on the # on this '66 at the Course de Cote du col Bayard hill climb, France I think ? in '69.
Wolfgang on ponysite.de probably has the answer ;)
Mike
Nice photo.
Most likely France. Course du cote = Hill Climb
Ken Miles racing down in OZ, 1965.
I was probably there that day, we went to all the big races at Lakeside, i would have been 7yo.
Any ideas on the CSX # on this novice in a Cobra having a moment, 'nother Cobra far right as well, looks like Laguna Seca ?
Mike
Quote from: honker on August 21, 2019, 07:37:08 PM
Any ideas on the # on this '66 at the Course de Cote du col Bayard hill climb, France I think ? in '69.
Wolfgang on ponysite.de probably has the answer ;)
Mike
Driver Jean Deroudille acc. to the Autodiva.FR experts. Sold to a Doc in Dijon in 1969/70.
Could be either 6S465, the 3rd car sent to Intersport/Paris or 6S397/6S398. These ones were raced in France.
Just found this pic 8) of CSX2300 in Japan, I think 1966 ? need to look in my registry.
Mike
Thanks to Richstang ! now corrected this is CSX 2300
"Orange Blossom Special" I think this is at Sebring 19?? looks like the Quintana '68 in the background. I believe there was a '69 or
'70 version of this car "Orange Blossom" as well ?
Found it, it's a '70 Boss 9, was this one run in period, or is a more current build ?
Mike
Ford vs Ferrari ;) any idea on the GT350 ? the car on the left is A Ferrari P4 Can-Am, raced in '67-'68 with I think factory support,
then in private hands. Could it be Cumberland ?
Mike
(https://i.imgur.com/lS0X7an.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PjFAresh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FJPrqZ3h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2MbZg8zh.jpg)
^^^ Thanks 1109RWHP!
That is from the June '68 issue of Stock Car Racing.
We've got Tiny Lund and Swede Savage (love that name!) on the front row of the 1968 Sandhill 250, Rockingham NC.
Cougars finished 1-2-3 that day, with eventual series champion Lund coming in first.
- Phillip
Here's a fun action shot from my copy of the November 1967 issue of Sports Car Graphic.
Looks like it was a rough day for the cars at the Marlboro Trans-Am race.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-200120094441.jpeg)
propayne, great posts with the Cougars ! here's the grid at Cumberland in '64, Mustang Pace Car and a number of Cobras !
looks similar terrain to my previous post here #78, of the Ferrari & GT350 on the grid.
Mike
Quote from: honker on December 17, 2019, 12:44:05 AM
Just found this pic 8) of CSX2602 in Japan, I think 1966 ? need to look in my registry.
Mike
Excellent find!
8)
I have it noted as csx2300;
#200 May 28, 1967 Funabashi, Japan 1st: Sakai Akira
Quote from: honker on January 19, 2020, 11:29:12 PM
Ford vs Ferrari ;) any idea on the GT350 ? the car on the left is A Ferrari P4 Can-Am, raced in '67-'68 with I think factory support,
then in private hands. Could it be Cumberland ?
Mike
That's Charlie Kemp's R model. I don't believe he went as far north as Cumberland.
Definitely an airport course....Maybe Courtland, AL?
Speaking of Charlie Kemp
(https://i.imgur.com/H47SuSxl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NDdL15Nh.jpg)
Richstang & NC TRACKRAT, you guys got it, thanks, Kemp's 5R538 at I think Courtland, Alabama. Here's another shot I found from
the same event.
Mike
Quote from: honker on January 15, 2020, 12:52:34 AM
"Orange Blossom Special" I think this is at Sebring 19?? looks like the Quintana '68 in the background. I believe there was a '69 or
'70 version of this car "Orange Blossom" as well ?
Found it, it's a '70 Boss 9, was this one run in period, or is a more current build ?
Mike
70 B9 Boss 9 Orange Blossom is alive and well and raced in early mid 1970's 12 hours of Sebring and 24 of Daytona if memory serves.
Have seen in the flesh.
Dang, Mike! You have quite the collection of pics. Well done!
Shelby_r_b, thanks ! a lot of time trolling the net, and going through my stuff, of which my other half sez I have too much of ;)
Lots of knowledge on this forum, we all contribute ! always neat to be able to solve a mystery, i.d a car etc together.
Mike
I believe this is CSX2009 that Holman-Moody ran at Nassau in 1962 & Sebring in '63, photo at the H/M facility.
You do what you have to do when you've forgotten the ramps for the trailer ;D
Mike
(caption corrected per kranky)
2009 at HM's shop prior to Sebring....
Thanks Kranky, caption to my post on CSX 2009 corrected ! checked my Holman-Moody book, at first glance I assumed it was at
Sebring, because of the car # and the buildings, which are similar to the ones at Holman-Moody. I wonder what was going on in
that photo ?
Mike
Quote from: honker on January 21, 2020, 10:11:01 PM
I believe this is CSX2009 that Holman-Moody ran at Nassau in 1962 & Sebring in '63, photo at the H/M facility.
You do what you have to do when you've forgotten the ramps for the trailer ;D
Mike
(caption corrected per kranky)
That fulcrum point looks like it might be ready to cause some damage.
Quote from: Bigfoot on January 20, 2020, 10:29:36 PM
Quote from: honker on January 15, 2020, 12:52:34 AM
"Orange Blossom Special" I think this is at Sebring 19?? looks like the Quintana '68 in the background. I believe there was a '69 or
'70 version of this car "Orange Blossom" as well ?
Found it, it's a '70 Boss 9, was this one run in period, or is a more current build ?
Mike
I don't think that is Sebring.
70 B9 Boss 9 Orange Blossom is alive and well and raced in early mid 1970's 12 hours of Sebring and 24 of Daytona if memory serves.
Have seen in the flesh.
Not a Shelby, but a Mustang at Bonneville ;)
Mike
Quote from: honker on January 21, 2020, 10:11:01 PM
I believe this is CSX2009 that Holman-Moody ran at Nassau in 1962 & Sebring in '63, photo at the H/M facility.
You do what you have to do when you've forgotten the ramps for the trailer ;D
Mike
(caption corrected per kranky)
That's distressing to see.
Some great photos of Alan Grant & others with CSX 2128, what is the stadium you can see in the photo of the people riding on the car ? and who are they ? is that Shelby on the left rear fender ?
Mike
These are from Bridgehampton, New York, 1963. In the photo of the people under the ramp, ? ? Miles...Shelby...Briggs Cunningham, probably his wife. The shot of the car on the lower part of the trailer, is this after the race, boy things are sure piled in there in a haphazard way ::) It was different times, I remember reading about another race team owner who said they would park the rigs like this in motel parking lots, and never had any thing go missing.
Mike
Quote from: honker on March 29, 2020, 08:07:12 PM
Some great photos of Alan Grant & others with CSX 2128, what is the stadium you can see in the photo of the people riding on the car ? and who are they ? is that Shelby on the left rear fender ?
Mike
Photo 2: RIR? Or, possibly Pomona? Judging by the mountain in the distance.
Photo 3: Dodger Staduim? I don't think that's CS on the fender.
Quote from: honker on March 29, 2020, 08:21:32 PM
These are from Bridgehampton, New York, 1963. In the photo of the people under the ramp, ? ? Miles...Shelby...Briggs Cunningham, probably his wife. The shot of the car on the lower part of the trailer, is this after the race, boy things are sure piled in there in a haphazard way ::) It was different times, I remember reading about another race team owner who said they would park the rigs like this in motel parking lots, and never had any thing go missing.
Mike
Roger Penske took one look at how those tires were loaded and swore "Never on my team!"
Grant photo #2 should be Santa Barbara, due to the concrete surface and the tar strips. Grant photo #3 is Candlestick baseball park. I'd say the gentleman at the wheel of the Grant Cobra in photo #3 is John Olson his main mechanic, what looks to possibly be George Lucas (Star Wars) Grant's other mechanic on the passenger rear fender....I don't recognize the other passenger on the driver's side rear fender at the moment (looks like, Peter Brock, but it's not him and I can't read the name on the jacket).
Yes, Dodger Stadium in the one photo.
Allen Grant did not race at Dodger Stadium....it's Candlestick park (San Francisco, Ca.)...2026 and 2002 were the only Cobras to race at Dodger Stadium (March 1963).
Yep, I see it now, similar looking though.
Thanks, as always, kranky!
Just posted on AUTOWEEK: https://www.autoweek.com/car-life/classic-cars/a32051340/watch-the-real-ken-miles-race-a-shelby-cobra-in-vintage-footage-from-the-petersen/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_aut&utm_medium=email&date=040720&utm_campaign=nl19950470&utm_content=B&utm_term=AAA%20--%20High%20Minus%20Dormant%20and%2090%20Day%20Non%20Openers
Watch from 7:50 to 10:50
Wow Stan!!!
That was priceless!
Terrific footage of Lloyd Bridges driving the Silhouette (custom car built by Bill Cushenberry) and great footage of Ed Roth and his Surfite (designed by one of my favorite artists of all-time Ed Newton and built on a 1962 Mini).
And of course best of all is the awesome footage of Ken Miles and his son Peter and Ken driving the Cobra.
Stick with it, there is more Cobra footage around the 29 minute mark.
At the end, Peterson thanks "Shelby-American Motors".
Great stuff.
- Phillip
there is another thread about this as well, over in the Lounge:
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=9985.msg84058;topicseen#msg84058
Cool stuff, and thanks (Phillip) for those additional details.
I think Ken Miles was not only the baddest to get behind the wheel of ANYTHING he drove, but out of the race car, he was just a cool freaking Dude, what with the sunglasses, no shirt, his stance, he was just BAD ASS 🏁🏁🏁
Dan Gurney communicates in the universal language to an official at Monza Italy 8)
Mike
LOL, I like that one. Must be holding Gurney for a penalty.
Looking for good captions on that one. Preferably in English. 8)
Quote from: honker on April 11, 2020, 03:44:01 PM
Dan Gurney communicates in the universal language to an official at Monza Italy 8)
Mike
This is what happens when you "hang" with Ken Miles. You adopt his ways?
It has it's benefits. Your reply cuts to the heart of the matter. Simple and succinct.
Speaking of Dan Gurney....
Here is one of his old Trans-Am rides kicking butt on the NASCAR Grand Touring (changed to Grand American in 1970) circuit.
Yes, this photo was shamefully pilfered from the internet, but it was so cool I had to share.
A client sent this to me for reference, I have recreated all of the decals for him to use on a tribute BME Grand Touring Cougar he has built.
That #16 on the roof is huge!
Back to this photo - it is Seiichi Suzuki at Daytona. For some reason there seem to be quite a few high quality photos taken of Suzuki and his Cougar at Daytona.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-280420084522.jpeg)
Phillip, thanks for posting that image of the Suzuki Cougar, new one for me. I have info that says seven Cougars ran in the Trans-
Am series, years not specified, but I think it was the early years '67 '68.
Moffat
Tatum
)-where these two the same car ?
Pendelton
Hagen
Bud Moore
Rainville ( X bud Moore ? written off at '68 Sebring)
Waco (Estes) this one ran different colours, I think over two years
Info I have says only three exist ?
I have images of all of these in my files, Should we have a separate thread for these Cougars, and the ones that ran in the
NASCAR series ? Or are they covered somewhere else here, or on another forum ?
Mike
Quote from: propayne on April 28, 2020, 08:53:47 AM
Speaking of Dan Gurney....
Here is one of his old Trans-Am rides kicking butt on the NASCAR Grand Touring (changed to Grand American in 1970) circuit.
Yes, this photo was shamefully pilfered from the internet, but it was so cool I had to share.
A client sent this to me for reference, I have recreated all of the decals for him to use on a tribute BME Grand Touring Cougar he has built.
That #16 on the roof is huge!
Back to this photo - it is Seiichi Suzuki at Daytona. For some reason there seem to be quite a few high quality photos taken of Suzuki and his Cougar at Daytona.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-280420084522.jpeg)
Does he have a build thread or pictures posted anywhere? I would love to see it.
I posted this in the random car pictures thread earlier, thought it relevant here as well.
Paddock '68 Nurburgring 1000kms, '67 or '68 Mustang behind also. CSX ?
Mike
Quote from: 1109RWHP on April 28, 2020, 08:36:38 PM
Quote from: propayne on April 28, 2020, 08:53:47 AM
Speaking of Dan Gurney....
Here is one of his old Trans-Am rides kicking butt on the NASCAR Grand Touring (changed to Grand American in 1970) circuit.
Yes, this photo was shamefully pilfered from the internet, but it was so cool I had to share.
A client sent this to me for reference, I have recreated all of the decals for him to use on a tribute BME Grand Touring Cougar he has built.
That #16 on the roof is huge!
Back to this photo - it is Seiichi Suzuki at Daytona. For some reason there seem to be quite a few high quality photos taken of Suzuki and his Cougar at Daytona.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-280420084522.jpeg)
Does he have a build thread or pictures posted anywhere? I would love to see it.
No build thread that I know of. He has been sending me some progress pics. With his permission and when the Cougar is done I may start a dedicated thread here.
- Phillip
Quote from: honker on May 09, 2020, 09:37:14 AM
I posted this in the random car pictures thread earlier, thought it relevant here as well.
Paddock '68 Nurburgring 1000kms, '67 or '68 Mustang behind also. CSX ?
Mike
It's COB6041.
I'm really late with this, but thanks to Richstang (post # 87) , I've corrected my error :-[ ::) way back in post (#76 ) here, the
CSX of the Daytona in Japan is CSX 2300. Here's another pic of the car I found ;)
Mike
propayne, this is a replica, the info says it was built by Kendall Spears, that's all I know ?
Mike
Quote from: honker on July 14, 2020, 08:25:46 PM
propayne, this is a replica, the info says it was built by Kendall Spears, that's all I know ?
Mike
I'm not a Cougar guy, and that car is awesome!
Scroll down to picture 5 found on this link, this '68 Mercury (formerly owned by Marty Beaulieu) is currently owned by Gary Moore and raced in Vintage races.
http://vintagemotorsport.com/2020/06/photos-day-one-svras-vintage-grand-prix-mid-ohio/
Yes Mike, I provided the decals (except for some of the smaller sponsor decals that are readily available) for Kendall's recreation of the championship winning 1968 Bud Moore Engineering Grand Touring Cougar. I wanted to make sure Kendall unveiled it before I posted any picture of it. I'll post some more on this thread when I get the chance.
And I just heard that Gary Moore will be bringing his Cougar to this summer's Jefferson 500 vintage race. I've seen it at VIR, very very cool Cougar that I think was built by Cobra Automative?
Looking forward to watching it run again a Summit Point.
- Phillip
Per the Allen Grant photo, George Lucas in the white jacket, not CS on the fender, not sure who else is in the photo but they may be related to Coventry Motors?
Some more pictures of the NASCAR Grant Touring Cougar tribute built by Kendall Spears with decals by me (Pro Payne Graphics).
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-150720072833.jpeg)
Quote from: propayne on July 14, 2020, 09:57:30 PM
Yes Mike, I provided the decals (except for some of the smaller sponsor decals that are readily available) for Kendall's recreation of the championship winning 1968 Bud Moore Engineering Grand Touring Cougar. I wanted to make sure Kendall unveiled it before I posted any picture of it. I'll post some more on this thread when I get the chance.
And I just heard that Gary Moore will be bringing his Cougar to this summer's Jefferson 500 vintage race. I've seen it at VIR, very very cool Cougar that I think was built by Cobra Automative?
Looking forward to watching it run again a Summit Point.
- Phillip
Phil, I am a maybe so far for Summit Point. Waiting to hear if my support team (Olthofff Racing) will be making the trek or not.
I sure hope you can make it Steven, it would be great to see you and get some pictures of your Shelby!
Normally, I do the posters for the race. Tommy Kendall was set to be the Grand Marshal this year and the poster was all ready to go to the printer when the pandemic hit.
So no banquet this year (where they auction off one of the signed posters) and no poster :(
But at least they are going to have the event and I think Tommy is on the hook for next year.
Hopefully I will see you there.
Since this is a "Vintage Racing Images" thread, below is what the poster would have looked like.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-150720141202.jpeg)
You cannot beat the look of Hoosier tires.
Sadly Summit Point was cancelled due to the new Covid restrictions in WV. This sucks, now I wish I'd entered the Hawk at Road America instead. >:(
^^^ yeah, very disappointed.
- Phillip
Can any one i.d. these GT350s at Elkhart Lake, Road America, I believe June, '65 ?
You can see the smoke from the restaurant in the back ground, I can taste those brats ;)
Mike
More clues for you ;)
http://elfners.com/photos/1965-06/
Mike,
My records show three GT350s in that race:
Number 3 driven by Lynn Blanchard - 5S145
Number 11 driven by Tom Yeager - 5R094
Number 33 driven by Dan Gerber - Either 5R099 or 5R103 perjaps someone can verify.
Mike I am not sure that you have the correct race. The number 33 car with that paint appeared in only one race before being repainted to the original white with blue stripes as instructed by Shelby. Bob had the car on consignment and returned it to Shelby at the end of the season. That car was 5R102.
The same two cars are shown in the photo link I posted. 😐
The #33 GT350 is 5R102 driven by Dan Gerber since Bob Johnson was in a Daytona Coupe at Le Mans on the same weekend as the June Sprints at Road America.
Quote from: gt350cs on July 25, 2020, 02:30:15 PM
Mike I am not sure that you have the correct race. The number 33 car with that paint appeared in only one race before being repainted to the original white with blue stripes as instructed by Shelby. Bob had the car on consignment and returned it to Shelby at the end of the season. That car was 5R102.
Mike, great photo find!
The three cars Dennis notes would have raced at the same events as they were all competing in that SCCA Regional class.
My notes suggest 5r102 (#33) raced with the gray/scarlet paint scheme for 6 events.
The 5/15/65 race at Cumberland shows it in white. It doesn't appear in photos as white again until 8/8/65 at Lynndale Farms.
I've only found photos for 3 of the 6 events so far (RA, St. Jovite, and Mid-Ohio) showing it in grey/scarlet.
Kranky, great point made on Dan Gerber racing 5r102 at RA. Thank You.
Coralsnake, thanks for that link what a great set of photos, from another era, the post war years.
Thanks to the others as well for your input.
Here are two more photos from that set with the two GT350s, marked June '65, maybe they will help us clarify the date.
Mike
Im confused? Are we looking at same photos? I see both of the cars from the original post (136) in the link?
Coralsnake, the link to photos you posted, and the three photos I put up are not from the same source, I found them on Facebook
the Remembrances of Elkhart Lake/Road America Public Group Facebook it's an open group any one can view it, there are a lot
of neat images there.
Mike
Great photo ! Riverside ;)
Mike
Quote from: honker on July 26, 2020, 09:04:08 PM
Great photo ! Riverside ;)
Mike
Mike you find some great photos, thanks for posting this one of 5R108!
Here's a couple more I found. 8)
is the Daytona CSX2287 ? that is a pretty cool photo, lots to see ! where at the facility is that taken ?
I believe that is the Turd ? in primer, ready for paint.
Is this the Miles car, next to the Turd, there is another photo if it in another thread, in the paddock at Riverside ? that was
discussed here before by Szabo and others, has the BRDC (British Racing Drivers Club) decal on the door
(all pics: Kevin Leslie) is he some one who worked at Shelby ?
Mike
Great Pics from LAX
The Daytona stand Hangar 9 backside
Under the open roof
Befor Outdoor Paint both
Right behind the Show car aera
Look on 2nd pic I post where the street gt350 stand in the crowed
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For The Turd and Ken Miles 427 Race cobra
I can only suggest this was made in the Show car aera
but dont See any Details
98 with the sticker was In the open house event
Also
Maybe we that Pics was made befor june 1965 ?
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Can someone put a timeframe on the picture showing an unidentified amateur COBRA having a moment (5th page)? I only ask because my cobra was painted white from the late 60's until late 70's and was racing in California as an independent entry through out this time. The car initially had 4" side exhaust, roll bar and mag wheels in the early part of it's racing career and then by the mid 70's received larger flares, oil cooler as well as hood scoop. I've been trying to find photos of the car in action.
Since the photo quality is poor....the location is correct, in that it is Laguna Seca, most likely in the early 1970's (possibly around 1971-72). The #99, upkicked side exhaust, chopped down plexi front windscreen, 427 wheels front and rear, AP class designation, white exterior color and what looks to be a 427 competition gas cap on the passenger rear....looks to be pointing out that this is the Dick Workman 427 Cobra (3137). What number is your Cobra?
CSX2177 - I only mentioned because other than the gas cap location most other mods kinda match mine.
here are some more pics I found of 5R108, does any one know anything about the red car ahead of 5R108 at Riverside (posted this
one before here) has some instruments on the dash, the poster on another forum said he drove the red one from Shelby American
to Riverside ?
(photos: Wayne Hill)
The red car doesn't look like a GT350 to me. It has no Plexi-quarter windows.
I have these two images in my files, both marked as Riverside Sept. 18th. 1966. One photo shows the start, the other shows the
cars lined up on the track with the Titus Mustang in the foreground, looks like a photo op, is this something that was done ? Or are
these two different events ? Can we identify the fourth car behind the Titus Mustang ?
Mike
(photos: no credit)
The cars lined up are :
Mustang
Mustang
Mustang
63 Falcon with a 64 body on it
Dodge Dart
Dodge Dart
Top photo looks like Riverside. The poles are a give away.
Headlights appear to be taped differently
Cobras always attract a crowd ! Comstock Cobra at Mosport, Canada 1963. This sort of crowd around cars wouldn't happen today !
I went to Mosport right from the start, when it was a big race, traffic was stopped 3 miles from the track on race day ! Getting out
at the end of the day was also a challenge. I'm sure this happened at other tracks as well.
(photo: Ken Graham)
Cool vintage photo honker ;)
Notice the early backpack the kid has on his back. Looks like leather straps. Possibly the whole thing is leather.
Just think, a lot of those kids will end up drafted to Vietnam.
From an old book I have; "The Complete Book of NASCAR Stock Car Racing".
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-070321104106.jpeg)
Cobra lift :o looks like a Alitalia plane on the right (is it a Connie ?) Could it be for the Targa Florio ?
Kranky....? ?
Bud Moore Trans-Am Cougars, I think Daytona '67 ? Could the first pic be Riverside ?
(photos: Harry E. Hurst)
Quote from: honker on April 20, 2021, 08:44:12 PM
Cobra lift :o looks like a Alitalia plane on the right (is it a Connie ?) Could it be for the Targa Florio ?
Kranky....? ?
Neat photo Mike!
It does appear to be one of the FIA Cobra's.
Was 'Alitalia' focused on deliveries to Sicily, Italy?
If so, it should be going to Targa Florio.
There is this 'After' the race event, photo from the return trip on a ferry boat.
We see the damage of '152'. It appears there is also damage on the right quarter of '150' as well.
Quote from: honker on February 27, 2021, 11:33:35 AM
I have these two images in my files, both marked as Riverside Sept. 18th. 1966. One photo shows the start, the other shows the
cars lined up on the track with the Titus Mustang in the foreground, looks like a photo op, is this something that was done ? Or are
these two different events ? Can we identify the fourth car behind the Titus Mustang ?
Mike
(photos: no credit)
Same event. Last TransAm race of the season. It was a 4 hour and the cars lined up on the back straight for a LeMans style start.
98SVT thanks for your reply on the '66 Riverside event.
Rich, thanks for the photo of the Cobras on the boat, have seen it before, but only now did I notice the fourth car on the left ::)
Coming back to my post # 162 here , that can't be Daytona, it wasn't till the third race in '67, Green Valley Texas, that the
Cougars had what I call Americans ? or were they Torque Thrusts ? for wheels, could those shots be at Riverside ?
Mike
162 not Riverside. They had Union 76 fuel not Pure. That's a speedway track with those giant grandstands. Those wheels are Torque Thrust D. The curved outer ends of the spokes make them D - to clear "D"isc brake calipers. They probably had 4 sets of wheels per car - maybe even more since most of the TA races were 2-6 hour events.
Quote from: honker on May 22, 2021, 10:26:49 AM
98SVT thanks for your reply on the '66 Riverside event.
Rich, thanks for the photo of the Cobras on the boat, have seen it before, but only now did I notice the fourth car on the left ::)
Coming back to my post # 162 here , that can't be Daytona, it wasn't till the third race in '67, Green Valley Texas, that the
Cougars had what I call Americans ? or were they Torque Thrusts ? for wheels, could those shots be at Riverside ?
Mike
Mike,
I believe the Cougar photos in your post #162 are at Daytona. That was the first race of the '67 TA season.
The Trans Am series didn't race at any other large speedways. To me, the grandstands look the same.
'98SVT' mentions the 'PURE' gas sign, Daytona did have them in '67. Hope this helps.
Race #1 T/A 2-3-67 Daytona, FL "Daytona 300"
Race #2 T/A 3-31-67 Sebring, FL "Sebring 4 Hour"
Race #3 T/A 4-16-67 Smithfield, TX "Green Valley 300"
Race #4 T/A 5-30-67 Lime Rock Park, CN
Race #5 T/A 6-11-67 Mid-Ohio
Race #6 T/A 8-06-67 Loudon, New Hampshire "Bryar 250"
Race #7 T/A 8-13-67 Marlboro, MD "Marlboro 300"
Race #8 T/A 8-27-67 Castle Rock, Colorado "Continental Divide Raceway"
Race #9 T/A 9-10-67 Crows Landing/Modesto, CA
Race #10 T/A 9-17-67 Riverside, CA "Mission Bell Trophy"
Race #11 T/A 10-1-67 Las Vegas, NV; Stardust International Raceway "Las Vegas 350"
Race #12 T/A 10-8-67 Kent, WA; Pacific Raceway "Kent 300"
Looks like CSX2323, given the oil cooler scoop and darker nose stripe that you can just see on the front fender. Probably just arriving in Italy after being completed by Mark Popov at SAI.
Here's one more photo of the Cobra getting loaded on (or off) the plane for Targa Florio.
CSX2323; looks like that's right.
Rich, thanks for your list of Trans-Am races in 1967 above, I finally figured out that the photos in post 162 are at the 1st. Paul
Revere 250, July 4th. 1967, I was thrown off by the wheels on the Cougars, knowing that at Daytona they ran on steel wheels, and
Mag Stars (is that what they are called ?) were they strengthened ? I didn't think they would stand up to the stresses of racing ?
There were no Trans Am races from June 11th till August 6th. 1967, I wonder why Moore decided to run this race ? was the prize
money good, or was it because it was the first event in what would become another series for these cars. The Cougars finished
first and sixth. A lot of other Trans Am regulars also ran that race.
Mike
Rich, you said that photos of the Ford GTs at Monza are rare, you might already know these ? here's a couple of photos of GT/103
at Monza in 1965, the colour shot of GT/103 and CSX2602 is from a book "1000k of Monza" in Italian and English, the b&w image
of GT/103 is from a French forum I frequent.
Mike
Quote from: honker on June 21, 2021, 05:03:53 PM
Rich, thanks for your list of Trans-Am races in 1967 above, I finally figured out that the photos in post 162 are at the 1st. Paul
Revere 250, July 4th. 1967, I was thrown off by the wheels on the Cougars, knowing that at Daytona they ran on steel wheels, and
Mag Stars (is that what they are called ?) were they strengthened ? I didn't think they would stand up to the stresses of racing ?
There were no Trans Am races from June 11th till August 6th. 1967, I wonder why Moore decided to run this race ? was the prize
money good, or was it because it was the first event in what would become another series for these cars. The Cougars finished
first and sixth. A lot of other Trans Am regulars also ran that race.
Mike
We need Phillip (propayne) to help here with some answers.
Quote from: honker on June 21, 2021, 05:10:00 PM
Rich, you said that photos of the Ford GTs at Monza are rare, you might already know these ? here's a couple of photos of GT/103
at Monza in 1965, the colour shot of GT/103 and CSX2602 is from a book "1000k of Monza" in Italian and English, the b&w image
of GT/103 is from a French forum I frequent.
Mike
Nice find Mike, the B&W photo of the GT/103 is not one that I've seen before.
Daytona Coupes photos are tough. Finding any rear views with the license plates is going to be a tall order.
I believe this to be 5S307 ? "Orange Blossom Special" any guess as to where that was shot ? distinctive building, "Goldy's" ? in the
back ground
Mike
Quiet here for a while ;)
Bob Grossman team at the '68 Bridgehampton Trans-Am.
(photo: Duke Manor)
Could this be the same car as the Orange Blossom Special?
Any one know the story behind these shots ? Phil Hill with Cobra, I believe this to be Candlestick Park, '65. In one photo you can
see a '65 GT350 and Shelby Ford pick-up in the distance. Looks like it says S&C Motors on the rear fender.
(photos: Duke Manor)
Candlestick. Phil Hill drove the 427 in A-Production and led the race until the car broke. He was hounded by the winning 904 Porsche driven by Don Wester. SAI had two GT350's entered in B-Production, driven by Leslie and ? (Titus). One of the 350's won the class. S&C and Hayward were the two biggest Shelby dealers in NorCal. Tragic weekend as two drivers perished.
In front of the roundel, Autolite, Goodyear, Koni stickers, but what is the other sticker?
VHT paint
Allow me to add some visual interest -
I've always loved this logo.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-140422081445.jpeg)
Now that's hot !
Quote from: propayne on April 14, 2022, 08:16:38 AM
Allow me to add some visual interest -
I've always loved this logo.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-140422081445.jpeg)
Quote from: csxsfm on April 13, 2022, 10:50:07 PM
Candlestick. Phil Hill drove the 427 in A-Production and led the race until the car broke. He was hounded by the winning 904 Porsche driven by Don Wester. SAI had two GT350's entered in B-Production, driven by Leslie and ? (Titus). One of the 350's won the class. S&C and Hayward were the two biggest Shelby dealers in NorCal. Tragic weekend as two drivers perished.
would this would be CSX3002 by my notes.
jim p
Quote from: honker on September 28, 2021, 10:30:11 PM
I believe this to be 5S307 ? "Orange Blossom Special" any guess as to where that was shot ? distinctive building, "Goldy's" ? in the
back ground
Mike
Looks like Goldy's was in Texas. The picture was taken late 69 or later because the front wheels are American Racing TA70 wheels which AR made for the 70 season and were not used very much because the Minilites were lighter and about the same price. I have an original AR catalog showing them. AR borrowed it to make a copy for their museum of their history. Ram Automotive was owned by Danny Moore and I believe that car may be owned by Forrest Straight who also owns Danny's Boss 302 TA car. Here's a link to it:
http://www.historictransam.com/Drivers/ForrestStraight70Mustang57.html
Roy
Stumbled on these this morning via Pinterest, from a Camaro research website, link: http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=9006.0, apologies if they've been posted previously. This is only a few of the photos posted, taken by Jerry Melton and Ron Lathrop, many more B/P, A/P, and T/A photos in higher resolution there...
1 - 1969 Waterford Hills
2 - 1969 Waterford Hills
3 - 1967 Mid-Ohio
4 - 1967 Mid-Ohio, Bob Johnson
5 - Steel Cities SCCA National 1968, Jack Hurt's 427 Cobra
6 - Steel Cities SCCA National 1968, Charlie Lowe's 427 Cobra
7 - Waterford Hills Regional event 1969, The Shelby GT350 Mustang (6S1733) of David Mroz
8 - The Cobras of Dan Gerber and Bob Johnson
9 - Waterford Hills Regional race 1969
10 - Waterford Hills Driving School, April '69. Jerry thinks this he remembers Warren Tope being the driver
11 - Waterford Hills circa 1968, Unknown Cobra racer
12 - Waterford Hills 1968, Dan Schlames in his 289 Cobra
13 - Kent Field (Michigan), May 1964. Dan Gerber's winning A/Production Cobra with Jim Mederer's Cobra in the background
14 - Kent Field (Michigan), May 1964, Dan Gerber's winning A/Production Cobra
15 - Waterford Regional 1968
16 - September 1968 Nationals at Steel Cities Raceway in Ohio, he GT350 of Sidney Finkel
17 - September 1968 Nationals at Steel Cities Raceway in Ohio, the GT350 of John Mahler. The John Mahler GT-350 was originally owned by Arnie Fick from Chicago. John Mahler sold it to Bill Paul and it was the last GT-350 to run in SCCA National competition into the 1980's
18 - Waterford Hills 1972. Shelby GT350
The car #169 is 5S445. I met the owner that raced it back in the 1970's at a vintage weekend at Waterford Hills July 2018.
Another great, very gracious owner willing to share his & car's history and experiences.
He drove the car in the "parade" pre-race laps but did not compete.
This is a well prepared, well raced, preserved, non-restored, car that captures the intended use - wear & patina of an independent competition GT350.
IMHO it doesn't get any better than this example !
regards,
jim p
Also he raced in the Great lakes area a 66 A/S, red mustang, shown in the album photo.
s2ms, thanks for all those vintage photos you posted !
'67 Cougar Trans-Am car, I believe this to be Lime Rock, 5th. race of the season.
Mike
If you go here you can see lots of pictures of the Cougars and other Trans Am race cars from 66 to 72:
https://gwadagone.fotki.com/trans-am-racing1966/
Roy
Quote from: TA Coupe on April 27, 2022, 04:18:01 PM
If you go here you can see lots of pictures of the Cougars and other Trans Am race cars from 66 to 72:
https://gwadagone.fotki.com/trans-am-racing1966/
Roy
Nice link, found this...
Here's a link to the main photo pages where you will find thousands of pictures from racing in various categories:
https://gwadagone.fotki.com/welcome/
Roy
Quote from: TA Coupe on April 27, 2022, 10:29:12 PM
Here's a link to the main photo pages where you will find thousands of pictures from racing in various categories:
https://gwadagone.fotki.com/welcome/
Roy
Great Resource... thank you for posting.
Quote from: CSX 4133 on April 28, 2022, 05:40:34 AM
Quote from: TA Coupe on April 27, 2022, 10:29:12 PM
Here's a link to the main photo pages where you will find thousands of pictures from racing in various categories:
https://gwadagone.fotki.com/welcome/
Roy
Great Resource... thank you for posting.
+1
Dan with Cougar, 1967 Sebring.
Mike
^^^ nice one Mike! One I've not seen before.
Yep, Dan and his BME Cougar shod with the Magstars, as all the Cougars (three of them) were at Sebring.
- Phillip
Revy on his way to a win at Bryar.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-290422075829.jpeg)
Cobras ! I believe this to be either Elkhart Lake or Meadowdale ? ?
(photo: Ron Nelson)
Cougar, '67 I believe Daytona ? steel wheels.
Mike
Jim Adams with Sunbeam Tiger, and Tiger girl, June 5th. 1965, Mosport Ontario, Canada. Pretty slick how the side pipes come
through the rocker panels.
(photos: Adams with Tiger girl..no credit)
: Tiger on the grid start...possibly Friedman)
:Tiger in the paddock...no credit
If memory serves me right, this particular Tiger was well prepared by Doane Spencer's crew at Hollywood Sports Cars.
Very tricked out Tiger - is it still around?
Love it.
- Phillip
That Tiger is still around. A friend of mine owns the 55 Tiger and he restored it a few years ago.
Thanks for the post and pic - very happy that it survives -
Gets my vote as the coolest Sunbeam Tiger on the planet!
- Phillip
Quote from: csxsfm on May 17, 2022, 10:43:44 PM
If memory serves me right, this particular Tiger was well prepared by Doane Spencer's crew at Hollywood Sports Cars.
yes, and quite a few "tricks" involved from what I've read and seen. That car and driver combination was quite successful.
Quote from: honker on May 17, 2022, 10:00:38 PM
Jim Adams with Sunbeam Tiger, and Tiger girl, June 5th. 1965, Mosport Ontario, Canada. Pretty slick how the side pipes come
through the rocker panels.
great pix - thanks for posting
I was rescuing photo files off a crashed PC and came across great detail photos 1968 Sebring Shelby racing mustang
the source is Revs Institute® Archives; Karl Ludvigsen Photograph Collection, (author of great book "The Inside Story of the Fastest Fords")
I note the TA dual 4V enclosure looks patterned after the MK-IV 427 design..... a bit of crossover??
many small details found
enjoy
jim p
Quote from: 6R07mi on August 09, 2022, 09:50:20 PM
I was rescuing photo files off a crashed PC and came across great detail photos 1968 Sebring Shelby racing mustang
the source is Revs Institute® Archives; Karl Ludvigsen Photograph Collection, (author of great book "The Inside Story of the Fastest Fords")
I note the TA dual 4V enclosure looks patterned after the MK-IV 427 design..... a bit of crossover??
many small details found
enjoy
jim p
more Jerry Melton photos
https://www.cliffreuter.com/etceterinisteelcities.htm (https://www.cliffreuter.com/etceterinisteelcities.htm)
1968 Steel Cities Ohio National SCCA Pegasus Racing Team 5R108, Sidney Finkel
6S179 John Mahler
CSX3023 Charlie Lowe
CSX3028 Jack Hurt
This might have been here before ? I believe this is a '66 GT350 with crew Gilles Vincent & John Catto, in the 1966 Shell 4000 Rally
that ran from Montreal,Quebec to Vancouver British Columbia.
First they tried aviating, then they tried to eat a calf, and finally ate a deer, and had numerous flats :o ::)
They got the car patched up and continued but were eliminated by exceeding max allowed time.
Talk about perseverance ! !
Does any one know the number on this car ?
Mike
(photos: Canada Track & Traffic magazine, and Ed Deak)
'67 I think, GT500, hill climb, British Columbia, Canada.
Mike
image in my files, can any one ID this driver ?
Mike
Had a reply from 6S1918 who put a name to the driver, Dick Hutcherson, he also drove MK.11 at Le mans in '66 with
Bucknum....Thanks !
An endless task ::) sorting the unidentified pics in my files , who is this in the Falcon ? I think in period, looking at the cars in the
background. Could it be at Kent, Washington ?
I don't know if it helps but the code under the pic was JNRSO_176
Different times, smoking in the race car !
Always get a lot of help from forum members...thanks guys ! !
Mike
Bob Johnson.
Bingo ! one hour and we have it, quite the history with that Falcon !
You steered me in the right direction, I have a whole file on that car, but it was in the wrong place.
Thanks CSX4781, you have come up with the answer to many of my posts !
Mike
Not a race car, but at Daytona in '69. Must have been some promo vehicle for lights, Maybe Cibie ?
How much power would those draw, and what sort of electrics would you need ?
Just the thing for running those dark desert highways looking for the Hotel California ;)
I had a friend with a '66 GT350 that had aircraft running lights in the grill, you could see into the next county when he turned them
on 8) I can't remember now what the electrical on that one was.
Mike
(photo: Harry E. Hurst)
That's very interesting photo. I have no guess, except maybe a Ford Motor Company lighting test. Why at Daytona and not at the Proving Grounds?
That's quite the rigging for mounting the lights. However, the height of the lights are all lower than the Mustang's stock headlights. So, the results of the test wouldn't correlate exactly to how they'd do at the correct (production) height. I've done a lot of lighting comparisons over the decades, and height matters.
Notice the orange signs standing on end, in the background. I can read PORSCHE on one and LANCIA on another. Can't make out what the third reads.
A ha, I do now have a guess: A test mule for lighting setups for a Daytona race car. That makes the most sense to me. That needed to be done at Daytona.
I've seen a similar photo with a 66 GT350 with light test rig, also at Daytona if I recall correctly.
The height would likely align with Ford GT-40 or any other current FIA chassis?
jim p
My photo taken at the '68 Trans-Am race at St. Jovite, Quebec of the Gagnon Spring Mustang.
Some one on another forum asked me if this is one of the Shelby built cars ? I'm thinking not ? Any one know ?
Thanks, Mike
re: my post above, found another photo (not mine) in my files, same car different angle, also at St. Jovite Trans-Am '68.
Also some info that (SUGGESTS ? ?) this was a Shelby built '67 Group 11 notch, and that the car was destroyed.
From the 2011, 4th. edition, 65-66-67 registry, 26 1967 Group 11 notches were built, 10 of which the present where abouts are
unknown.
Some more info, if you read through I says the car was bought from an American who raced it in '67 in a number of Trans-Am
races, also it says a couple of times the car is destroyed and sold for spare parts tried to high light the parts but can't seem to do it
::)
Mike
I wonder ? is this the same Gagnon Spring car shown above in this thread at St. Jovite 1968 , here at Sebring
earlier in '68 ?
Maybe there are some features visible that would help to identify it as a Shelby built '67 Group 11 car ? ?
Mike
Quote from: honker on October 05, 2022, 01:55:51 PM
My photo taken at the '68 Trans-Am race at St. Jovite, Quebec of the Gagnon Spring Mustang.
Some one on another forum asked me if this is one of the Shelby built cars ? I'm thinking not ? Any one know ?
Thanks, Mike
bump: As far as I know this car is no longer, just trying to find out if this Gagnon Spring car in '68 was one of the Shelby built '67
Group 11 notchbacks ?
In the 2011 '65-'66-'67 registry, I read through the histories of all '67 Group 11 cars, there are a lot of holes, and found no
mention of a car coming to Canada.
Are there any updates since 2011 concerning the histories of these Mustangs ? Where there any articles in the Shelby American
that are archived that I could look up ?
Mike
Some more information has come to light concerning the Gagnon Spring '67 Mustang shown above.
I was contacted by Greg Kolasa, author with Chuck Cantwell of the book "Shelby Mustang GT350" in regards the Gagnon Spring
car. They are doing some research on the '67 Shelby Grp.11 cars.
The info came in a round about way after inquiries by Kolasa, from some one in Quebec, Canada, through Jon Mello who is on the
Camaros.org site. Even those Chevy guys are interested in the competition ;)
I've include some more images of the car, raced by Steve Brownstein in '67, a couple from the unofficial '67 Trans-Am race at St.
Jovite in Quebec, where he crashed. quite a few teams were drawn to that race, the prize money was high, $25,000.
And one from the rear, I believe to be Lime Rock, Brownstein was sponsored by Schnurmacher Ford, Hewlett, N.Y. on Long Island,
were they a Shelby dealer ? He only did a couple of the official '67 Trans-Am races.
Also an image of the info that came out of Quebec.
It seems that this car was one of the Shelby built '67 Grp. 11 cars.
Mike
(photos: Denis Giguere) the two of the crashed car.
Sent to me by a friend. I have no info about it.
Roy
Quote from: Side-Oilers on September 24, 2022, 03:58:41 PM
That's very interesting photo. I have no guess, except maybe a Ford Motor Company lighting test. Why at Daytona and not at the Proving Grounds?
A ha, I do now have a guess: A test mule for lighting setups for a Daytona race car. That makes the most sense to me. That needed to be done at Daytona.
Yes - DOT had strict lighting rules that were developed and tested in the lab. Europe had a lot better lighting than the US - halogen, better lenses, etc.
When we were doing 24 hours races we got a great tip. Don't adjust the lights so the right lights the right side of the track but cross them so the left lights the right and vice versa with them crossing they also light the area of the track in front of the car.
Here's 5R096 (X Comstock Canada) with Brian Burgess, at Mosport, Ontario, Canada, I believe some time in the '70s ? ?
Is this thread only for vintage Shelby images, or can other Fords be included ?
Here's a shot of the H&M Challenger, in a promo for Sebring 1963.
Mike
Verry cool Falcon! That car has been restored. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yONQ7ssOUn4
Quote from: honker on October 22, 2022, 10:49:56 PM
Here's 5R096 (X Comstock Canada) with Brian Burgess, at Mosport, Ontario, Canada, I believe some time in the '70s ? ?
Those are some serious fender flares!
Anybody noticed the Cobra in the Coke TV commercial from 1967?
Also some shots of Jim Hall driving his Chaparral plus a closeup of him taking a swig.
Found it on YouTube.
- Phillip
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/134-061222193335.jpeg)
Here is a photo plus caption from my Spring 1969 issue of Stock Car Racing magazine and their coverage of that years 24 Hours of Daytona.
Guess Bud couldn't find someone to fill Cooper's seat so the BME Cougar didn't start the race.
- Phillip
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/134-201222085347.jpeg)
5R094 photos. Recently posted on the "Remembrances of Elkhart Lake/ Road America" Facebook Group by Dennis Schrimpf. Enjoy.
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/44-160623165303.jpeg)
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/44-160623165342.jpeg)
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/44-160623165406.jpeg)
^^^ wow - those are nice, high quality color pics!
- Phillip
Great color photos of the R!
5R102 photo. Bob Johnson painted this Ohio State Buckeye colors and Shelby demanded he change the color back to white/blue.
Recently posted on the "Remembrances of Elkhart Lake/ Road America" Facebook Group by Dennis Schrimpf. Enjoy.
(https://www.saac.com/forum/gallery/44-170623131909.jpeg)
I am liking the R in that color. Isn't there some guy in Kansas who has an R painted dark blue with gold stripes? He has owned the car forever I think.
Found it. Memory did serve me correctly. Fred Hilbert is the owner and the article I read goes back to 2013. Car is or was in Kansas. And the stripes were yellow over blue paint.
https://amp.kansas.com/news/article1097876.html
Found some pics. Not sure of the SFM number but photo download says 5R094
exquisite photos