Looks threatening in black...
https://youtu.be/wH49n-4zuIc
Nice car but apparently GM has declared war with the Corvette prices. This 500 is priced in the 90's. ;)
True, but that may drive scarcity down the road making these cars worth that much more in comparison to the Corvette which may or likely will turn out to be the better seller. It all depends on what one wants in life. Corvettes are good looking cars I will concede. I'm still a Shelby fan even of the new GT 500. I've got all I need in the barn though. But like visiting an art gallery, I can appreciate all the beautiful sculpted cars that are out there.
Shelby's gone. He isn't here to recreate anything. These cars all remind me of Hummels. As likely to appreciate in value as US Proof Sets.
You can own the Playmate of the year and appreciate her anyway that you want but I'm gonna' drive it. I've got my car investments already.
What's Ford's next move? Are they going to put a talking hologram of CS in the car that tells you to kick Ferrari's ass? Common. They're beating a dead horse. It's not a Shelby, it's like the continuation Cobras, they're some kind of a replica from the Matrix?
It's like they think they have some kind of DNA sample and they're trying to clone real Shelbys from it?
Quote from: deathsled on November 03, 2019, 01:46:27 PM
Looks threatening in black...
https://youtu.be/wH49n-4zuIc
this car is the ultimate mustang, the best track and 1/4 mile car ford has ever built.
this has/will make the new 350/350r obsolete
jay and many other celebrities have gotten the car at msrp or less directly from ford.
we the regular stiffs will have to pay msrp plus the dealers adm
this does not detract from its capabilities. it is what it is a tremendous and probably the best mustang built to date
we agree with you, this new c8 is amazing for its value
just tad bit slower in the 1/4 mile but faster on the 0 to 60, that means at the stoplight the 60k C8 will have your 150k mustang for lunch
we can fix the 1/4 mile issue for under 5k
also remember that this is essentially the base model, wait until the ZR1 arrives
oh and guess again on the 500s price...
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 03, 2019, 04:50:24 PM
Nice car but apparently GM has declared war with the Corvette prices. This 500 is priced in the 90's. ;)
all these new cars are going to be in abundance as tons of people will be hoarding them
future foreseeable value ... zero
Quote from: deathsled on November 03, 2019, 06:27:44 PM
True, but that may drive scarcity down the road making these cars worth that much more in comparison to the Corvette which may or likely will turn out to be the better seller. It all depends on what one wants in life. Corvettes are good looking cars I will concede. I'm still a Shelby fan even of the new GT 500. I've got all I need in the barn though. But like visiting an art gallery, I can appreciate all the beautiful sculpted cars that are out there.
as far as we are concerned CS left the building in 1967
today you have entities recruiting anything with that last name for its marketing value
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 03, 2019, 07:09:36 PM
Shelby's gone. He isn't here to recreate anything. These cars all remind me of Hummels. As likely to appreciate in value as US Proof Sets.
You can own the Playmate of the year and appreciate her anyway that you want but I'm gonna' drive it. I've got my car investments already.
What's Ford's next move? Are they going to put a talking hologram of CS in the car that tells you to kick Ferrari's ass? Common. They're beating a dead horse. It's not a Shelby, it's like the continuation Cobras, they're some kind of a replica from the Matrix?
It's like they think they have some kind of DNA sample and they're trying to clone real Shelbys from it?
I agree. Shelby's name is a namesake on the car. A label so to speak, much like Enzo is a namesake on a Ferrari, or Dino (in memory of Enzo's deceased brother I believe). So the name is used to denote a performance model upgrade to separate it from the base Mustang and so on. Just as Corvette doesn't attach a human name to their car but rather calls it the ZR-1 to denote a performance upgrade. (Which is fine and I wouldn't begrudge GM from calling a certain version of the Vette the Arkus Duntov either). I have no problem with Ford honoring Shelby's name on their car. From what I glean though, the Corvette is going to be faster and more nimble in the curves. It depends on what you like in appearance as well that drives a sale. I still view cars as sculpted rolling art work. And yes, Shelby has left the building. But he is still remembered. I won't take that away from Ford wanting to use his name on the new G.T. 500. It looks great. So does the Corvette. I don't expect to own either in the foreseeable future. My future self might disagree.
To supplement, when the electronics start to go on all of these cars after a few years, it will be a nightmare to get them fully functioning again unlike old stuff from the 60s. Only peril there is finding correct and useable parts for the older cars.
With all due respect, the Ferrari name is not a namesake like the shelby name is.
Currently Ferrari has a true direct descendant as vice chairman or vice president, that is Piero Lardi Ferrari
He is the second and only living son of Enzo Ferrari, and a 10% or 15% owner of the Ferrari automotive company of which he is the vice chairman.
Quote from: deathsled on November 03, 2019, 08:23:36 PM
I agree. Shelby's name is a namesake on the car. A label so to speak, much like Enzo is a namesake on a Ferrari, or Dino (in memory of Enzo's deceased brother I believe). So the name is used to denote a performance model upgrade to separate it from the base Mustang and so on. Just as Corvette doesn't attach a human name to their car but rather calls it the ZR-1 to denote a performance upgrade. (Which is fine and I wouldn't begrudge GM from calling a certain version of the Vette the Arkus Duntov either). I have no problem with Ford honoring Shelby's name on their car. From what I glean though, the Corvette is going to be faster and more nimble in the curves. It depends on what you like in appearance as well that drives a sale. I still view cars as sculpted rolling art work. And yes, Shelby has left the building. But he is still remembered. I won't take that away from Ford wanting to use his name on the new G.T. 500. It looks great. So does the Corvette. I don't expect to own either in the foreseeable future. My future self might disagree.
To supplement, when the electronics start to go on all of these cars after a few years, it will be a nightmare to get them fully functioning again unlike old stuff from the 60s. Only peril there is finding correct and useable parts for the older cars.
I agree that the Ferrari name is not a namesake however the "Enzo" is as it applies to a specific Ferrari car. As is the "Dino" another namesake that applies to the Ferrari brand. I view the name Shelby as a namesake to the Ford brand likewise. That's all I meant by it. Didn't mean nuthin' by it. Just passin' the time. What time do you close? We close now. Now is not a time. What time do you close? We close at dark. Call it...
The warranty on these cars is going to be significant as well. A three year/36 isn't going to cover the car if you have 60 payments.
I guess the design is just not doing it for me. The "Mustang" is just plain ugly. Sticking snakes on it at every opportunity is better then having skunk stripes that can clearly be seen from a spy satellite but not much better.
Just because the car isn't as ugly as the Mopar doughnut masters is little consequence to me?
I guess Detroit's Viagra just isn't working on me although the Lamborghini's must have modeled their designs on someone's ugly sister that they hide in the closet? So is the new beautiful like that puppy at the pound that is SO ugly it becomes cute?
It's an entirely new market out there and obviously I'm just not one of their peeps anymore? Whatever happened to the sleek designs of the '60s? These designs look like they should be plowing the corn fields in Iowa? Maybe that's the market targets?
It's unlikely that anyone can recreate the production numbers on the CSX3000 cars to make them that valuable again but consider that there were only 335 427's built because that's all ole' Shel' could convince back in the day?
So now the market is finding enough hedge fund speculators to take a chance on what is going to become valuable 40 years down the road?
It's irrelevant to me how quick the new GT500 is because it is so freaking ugly! And I sure wouldn't want to own one when it came time to start fixing things. As Doug said, once the 3/36 warranty expires you're on your own and I would guess almost any repair will consume piles of cash. That is something I would expect if I owned a limited production supercar such as the Ford GT. Not for a Mustang.
But that's just my opinion. For those of you who love the car and the design - enjoy it! Buy one and show your allegiance.
+1
Quote from: deathsled on November 03, 2019, 10:07:07 PM
I agree that the Ferrari name is not a namesake however the "Enzo" is as it applies to a specific Ferrari car. As is the "Dino" another namesake that applies to the Ferrari brand. I view the name Shelby as a namesake to the Ford brand likewise. That's all I meant by it. Didn't mean nuthin' by it. Just passin' the time. What time do you close? We close now. Now is not a time. What time do you close? We close at dark. Call it...
great points on the warranty these will be engineering nightmares sooner or later
as far as ugly or beautiful, thats in the eye of the beholder
we for one love the new c8s lines, performance and of course it price making it more palatable at time of disposal...
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 04, 2019, 06:42:24 AM
The warranty on these cars is going to be significant as well. A three year/36 isn't going to cover the car if you have 60 payments.
I guess the design is just not doing it for me. The "Mustang" is just plain ugly. Sticking snakes on it at every opportunity is better then having skunk stripes that can clearly be seen from a spy satellite but not much better.
Just because the car isn't as ugly as the Mopar doughnut masters is little consequence to me?
I guess Detroit's Viagra just isn't working on me although the Lamborghini's must have modeled their designs on someone's ugly sister that they hide in the closet? So is the new beautiful like that puppy at the pound that is SO ugly it becomes cute?
It's an entirely new market out there and obviously I'm just not one of their peeps anymore? Whatever happened to the sleek designs of the '60s? These designs look like they should be plowing the corn fields in Iowa? Maybe that's the market targets?
It's unlikely that anyone can recreate the production numbers on the CSX3000 cars to make them that valuable again but consider that there were only 335 427's built because that's all ole' Shel' could convince back in the day?
So now the market is finding enough hedge fund speculators to take a chance on what is going to become valuable 40 years down the road?
Wow! Black on black, black wheels...that's...really...different.
great points on the buy one and show your allegiance, but dont agree
you see we usually piss ford blue, unfortunately ford or its agents, dealers have forsaken us.
with the huge ADMs that will be added to the gt 500 that should have sold in the 70/90k range, but will sell in the 100/150 range
then you have a selection process and lottery
with the exclusive GT the selection process gets more involved and restrictive of your personal rights that we will not get into
our choice on vehicles this time around has been made for us an easy one....
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It's irrelevant to me how quick the new GT500 is because it is so freaking ugly! And I sure wouldn't want to own one when it came time to start fixing things. As Doug said, once the 3/36 warranty expires you're on your own and I would guess almost any repair will consume piles of cash. That is something I would expect if I owned a limited production supercar such as the Ford GT. Not for a Mustang.
But that's just my opinion. For those of you who love the car and the design - enjoy it! Buy one and show your allegiance.
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It's "Coyotte Ugly"! Maybe that's the point?
What I would say about the C8, is GM has decided to show up everyone starting with the price.
That's good for us all. Remember this thing called competition in the marketplace? I do.
In my reality, the C8 is more real to me. That Ford rep with Leno wants to give you this BS that Ford is friendly to the point of being all warm, fuzzy and cuddly. Not so there Bunky.
Ford is remodeling itself into the company for the elites. Screw the working people. That's peanuts.
The first indication of reality will be when you go to your "Mustang" dealer and see a $30,000, over sticker on that car and $5,000 for the extended warranty. Spare me the crap.
The '05/'06 FGT is extremely reliable and nearly always, very affordable to repair and maintain.
At least the murdered out look of all black hides the huge gaping maw of the grille opening.
Anyone buying one of these thinking of long term collectibility is nuts. 40 years from now buying fuel is going to become an extremely painful experience. Expect a buttload of shaming every time you fill up.
This is most likely the last ICE muscle/sport car Ford will build. If you want to have one, find a rural dealer that will sell you one without an ADM and pull the trigger.
Proof that Ford has sold out: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1121543_2021-ford-mach-e-what-we-know-about-300-mile-electric-suv (https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1121543_2021-ford-mach-e-what-we-know-about-300-mile-electric-suv)
Not that they are developing an EV, but that they have the audacity to use the Mustang name on a $%#& SUV. Can't wait for the GT500 version of that. ::)
Quote from: kjspeed on November 04, 2019, 11:47:06 AM
Proof that Ford has sold out: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1121543_2021-ford-mach-e-what-we-know-about-300-mile-electric-suv (https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1121543_2021-ford-mach-e-what-we-know-about-300-mile-electric-suv)
Not that they are developing an EV, but that they have the audacity to use the Mustang name on a $%#& SUV. Can't wait for the GT500 version of that. ::)
You have a green Shelby don't you? Highland Green?
Good one. Highland green indeed.
I couldn't agree more with others. The new Shelby GT500 is not attractive at all. And, the ADMs are ridiculous.
I know of a guy who put in for a new GT500. The dealer wouldn't sell the allocation outright, so the dealership had "private bidding" - people would state how much they would pay over sticker. Well, this guy put in for $5K over MSRP and won. However, the dealership said it "wasn't enough" and wouldn't sell him the allocation.
So, he gave up on Ford (after having purchased numerous Ford work trucks over the years) and bought a Corvette instead.
#realtalk
......... awaiting the ADM estimates for the new Corvette. ::)
Corvette ADMs tend to be short-lived as production ramps up the market becomes saturated.
Ford Understood that the ADMs on the new FGT is a P.R. fiasco. I am surprised they don't see it with the new GT500's.
Quote from: CSX 4133 on November 04, 2019, 03:15:56 PM
......... awaiting the ADM estimates for the new Corvette. ::)
All the places I've talked to are selling their Corvettes for MSRP. However, that's not saying that ADMs aren't out there, even in San Antonio.
+ 1 have heard this from several sources
Quote from: Shelby_r_b on November 04, 2019, 02:31:20 PM
I couldn't agree more with others. The new Shelby GT500 is not attractive at all. And, the ADMs are ridiculous.
I know of a guy who put in for a new GT500. The dealer wouldn't sell the allocation outright, so the dealership had "private bidding" - people would state how much they would pay over sticker. Well, this guy put in for $5K over MSRP and won. However, the dealership said it "wasn't enough" and wouldn't sell him the allocation.
So, he gave up on Ford (after having purchased numerous Ford work trucks over the years) and bought a Corvette instead.
#realtalk
You will have some gm dealers attempt to raise the msrp. But as stated, so many will be built that those poor fools that want to hold out for their ADM will eventually have a stale and moldy product in their show room.
GM has already created and generated a lot of interest in their new product, so much so that it is sold out. Their ultimate and true purpose is market domination through maximizing their sales
Quote from: 2112 on November 04, 2019, 03:55:50 PM
Corvette ADMs tend to be short-lived as production ramps up the market becomes saturated.
Ford Understood that the ADMs on the new FGT is a P.R. fiasco. I am surprised they don't see it with the new GT500's.
In union there is strength
FYI
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28818894/2020-chevy-corvette-c8-dealer-markups/
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 04, 2019, 04:23:23 PM
In union there is strength
FYI
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28818894/2020-chevy-corvette-c8-dealer-markups/
Similar alliances and networking exists on the Mustang forums.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 04, 2019, 04:14:37 PM
You will have some gm dealers attempt to raise the msrp. But as stated, so many will be built that those poor fools that want to hold out for their ADM will eventually have a stale and moldy product in their show room.
GM has already created and generated a lot of interest in their new product, so much so that it is sold out. Their ultimate and true purpose is market domination through maximizing their sales
Quote from: 2112 on November 04, 2019, 03:55:50 PM
Corvette ADMs tend to be short-lived as production ramps up the market becomes saturated.
Ford Understood that the ADMs on the new FGT is a P.R. fiasco. I am surprised they don't see it with the new GT500's.
The sales strageies of the two companies is showing through the mist a little here.
GM is looking to saturate the market at 59.995. It will benefit their dealers because it is already causing a feeding frenzy.
The key to the C8 is going to be to wait it out. There are going to be a bunch of one year old cars with little mileage that the buyer either leased or bought and for one reason or another is disappointed or no longer interested.
Look for one of those and let someone else take the loss on the depreciation.
The 500 is a different story. Ford is so limiting production that it is going to enable dealers to sell way over sticker on a car with a sticker already 20 thousand over the C8.
The C8 is going to be EVERYONE'S competition. Wait and see how this plays out.
The number Ford put on the car is virtually arbitrary much like the GT is. They could probably show you numbers that they are sold at a loss even at 90. By limiting the number they build, they limit the total loss they take. Their presumption is that they can't sell enough of the 500's at a lower number.
GM is betting that they can and more then break even at the base price because of the volume.
This is a very interesting game that the two are playing. Maybe GM is amused by the Ford vs. Ferrari and is picking it with Ford themselves with the C8?
I'm all ok with that. It can only have a trickle down effect that will benefit us all. ;)
I KNOW Ford is watching the C8 scenario. It effects their decision on if there will be a new 300k GT?
This is starting to look like the late 1920's with luxury car makers trying to sell 20 thousand dollar cars after the crash. Reality of a vanished market is going to hit.
+ 1 agree with your assessment
GM has issued a manifesto (C8) preparatory to a declaration of war.
Let's see how its competitors domestic and forgein answer (if either can) it.
Telling you it's not just a domestic issue, they have established a new world order.
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 04, 2019, 05:21:42 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 04, 2019, 04:14:37 PM
Quote from: 2112 on November 04, 2019, 03:55:50 PM
The sales strageies of the two companies is showing through the mist a little here.
GM is looking to saturate the market at 59.995. It will benefit their dealers because it is already causing a feeding frenzy.
The key to the C8 is going to be to wait it out. There are going to be a bunch of one year old cars with little mileage that the buyer either leased or bought and for one reason or another is disappointed or no longer interested.
Look for one of those and let someone else take the loss on the depreciation.
The 500 is a different story. Ford is so limiting production that it is going to enable dealers to sell way over sticker on a car with a sticker already 20 thousand over the C8.
The C8 is going to be EVERYONE'S competition. Wait and see how this plays out.
The number Ford put on the car is virtually arbitrary much like the GT is. They could probably show you numbers that they are sold at a loss even at 90. By limiting the number they build, they limit the total loss they take. There presumption is that they can't sell enough of the 500's at a lower number.
GM is betting that they can and more then break even at the base price because of the volume.
This is a very interesting game that the two are playing. Maybe GM is amused by the Ford vs. Ferrari and is picking it with Ford themselves with the C8.
I'm all ok with that. It can only have a trickle down effect that will benefit us all. ;)
I KNOW Ford is watching the C8 scenario. It effects their decision on if there will be a new 300k GT?
This is starting to look like the late 1920's with luxury car makers trying to sell 20 thousand dollar cars after the crash. Reality of a vanished market is going to hit.
The C8 is just a much better looking car then the Shelby at virtually every perspective.
There is no amount of hp that can be put into the Shelby to make it handle with a mid-engine car. In fact it's entirely possible that it is dangerously overpowered now?
Let's see a mid-engined 60 thousand dollar car from Ford. They might be able to sell enough of them to balance the ledgers at that price?
Look at Ford's history. They have NEVER stayed with these "exclusive" models for more then a few years. The list seems endless. They have carried the model names but when they do they have changed from the original concept that created the name.
GM has stayed with the concept of the Corvette from the beginning. What's wrong with this picture?
It's also unfortunate to see that the Mopar boys continue to market striped taxi cabs. I don't think that they ever understood or cared to? I think they got those guys from "Weird Science" to conjure up a super car. Good thing they didn't give the cars double d's. Where would you get bra's for them?
Ford knows the future is electric self driven ride share pods.
They will be very careful on how much they spend on ICE performance.
I've been a Ford fan for many years, since the mid 60's and love to watch
them compete and be successful both on the track and on the street.
However, I must admit that Chevrolet, with the Corvette has been much
more consistent than Ford, both in what they offer the public and their
track record...pun intended. I think Ford has "missed the boat" by
offering a great car (2005-06 Ford GT) for such a limited time, then
do the same thing with the latest Ford GT. Why not continue to
build, develop/improve and race a car as Porsche has done with the 911 and as Chevy
has done with the Corvette, in particular the C5, 6, 7 and now the C8?
Like I said, I've always been a Ford guy, but given the choice? Corvette C8
wins hands down over the new GT 500.
Im with you..... Word for word- ;)
+ 1
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 04, 2019, 07:47:02 PM
The C8 is just a much better looking car then the Shelby in at virtually every perspective.
There is no amount of hp that can be put into the Shelby to make it handle with a mid-engine car. In fact it's entirely possible that it is dangerously overpowered?
Let's see a mid-engined 60 thousand dollar car from Ford. They might be able to sell enough of them to balance the ledgers at that price?
It's also unfortunate that the Mopar boys continue to market striped taxi cabs. I think they got those guys from "Weird Science" to conjure up a super car. Good thing they didn't give the cars double d's.
+ 1
Quote from: Tom Honegger on November 05, 2019, 09:09:59 AM
I've been a Ford fan for many years, since the mid 60's and love to watch
them compete and be successful both on the track and on the street.
However, I must admit that Chevrolet, with the Corvette has been much
more consistent than Ford, both in what they offer the public and their
track record...pun intended. I think Ford has "missed the boat" by
offering a great car (2005-06 Ford GT) for such a limited time, then
do the same thing with the latest Ford GT. Why not continue to
build, develop/improve and race a car as Porsche has done with the 911 and as Chevy
has done with the Corvette, in particular the C5, 6, 7 and now the C8?
Like I said, I've always been a Ford guy, but given the choice? Corvette C8
wins hands down over the new GT 500.
AMEN !
There were regulatory changes that prevented the '05-'06 FGTs from being continued. Pedestrian impact ride height being one I remember. The car needed a complete redesign to meet those regulations.
They also foresaw the '07-'08 meltdown coming before all the other manufacturers. Remember, they didn't bankrupt.
They also see what the buyers will look like in the next 10 years. They won't look like us gearheads.
Just saying 8)
Jade Green Metallic actually. That's MY kind of green! Slurping on 110 octane through 4 Weber carbs. Enough to give AOC the vapors!
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 04, 2019, 12:34:16 PM
Quote from: kjspeed on November 04, 2019, 11:47:06 AM
Proof that Ford has sold out: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1121543_2021-ford-mach-e-what-we-know-about-300-mile-electric-suv (https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1121543_2021-ford-mach-e-what-we-know-about-300-mile-electric-suv)
Not that they are developing an EV, but that they have the audacity to use the Mustang name on a $%#& SUV. Can't wait for the GT500 version of that. ::)
You have a green Shelby don't you? Highland Green?