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Should not carry Mustang name!
I hate those blank grills...call it something else. PLEASE!
Four doors, no grill, no V8! Bring back the Fusion name and get rid of the Mustang marketing ploy. 8)
only one word to describe it....YIKES !
Local Ford dealerships are sending emails and notice cards trying to solicit advance order deposits 0f $500. Yeah, like we are all going to rush to get one. ::)
+1.... to EVERY comment above.
What is Ford thinking? >:( :o ::)
Quote from: mark p on November 15, 2019, 01:22:01 PM
What is Ford thinking? >:( :o ::)
Um, How do we survive as an automobile manufacturer?
And the future will rely on those countries with the greatest lithium resources and reserves. Countries with the greater oil resources and reserves will be the energy leaders of the past. The political and tactical game plan will be changing. Plan accordingly. 8)
+ 1
who would have thought a few years ago that this guy would become a world leader...scary
Quote from: Don Johnston on November 15, 2019, 05:50:41 PM
And the future will rely on those countries with the greatest lithium resources and reserves. Countries with the greater oil resources and reserves will be the energy leaders of the past. The political and tactical game plan will be changing. Plan accordingly. 8)
The answer to the question nobody asked. This is a COMPLETE fail. Remember when they pitched a front wheel drive Mustang. There was such an uproar they retooled the rear bumper and trim to say Probe instead of Mustang. That one failed before it was built. The Pinto Mustang was a fail. The 4 cylinder SVO Mustang was a fail. This will be a major fail and cause a lot of Mustang fans to walk away from the whole line. Them dropping the 300hp V6 and keeping the 320hp 4 cylinder was a fail. More money for the same performance.
Someone with a decal business should make up grille decals for that and the blank faced Tesla's.
Might as well call it the Cheese-E
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on November 15, 2019, 07:32:30 PM
The answer to the question nobody asked. This is a COMPLETE fail. Remember when they pitched a front wheel drive Mustang. There was such an uproar they retooled the rear bumper and trim to say Probe instead of Mustang. That one failed before it was built. The Pinto Mustang was a fail. The 4 cylinder SVO Mustang was a fail. This will be a major fail and cause a lot of Mustang fans to walk away from the whole line. Them dropping the 300hp V6 and keeping the 320hp 4 cylinder was a fail. More money for the same performance.
The Mustang guys that cared that much back in '88-'89 are gone, don't care anymore or are no longer as powerful as they once were.
I am one, but I accept we are an extreme minority. Times are changing, in a big way.
Quote from: Don Johnston on November 15, 2019, 05:50:41 PM
And the future will rely on those countries with the greatest lithium resources and reserves. Countries with the greater oil resources and reserves will be the energy leaders of the past. The political and tactical game plan will be changing. Plan accordingly. 8)
^^^^This
Damn!! I don't like the name but I sure like the looks of the car.
QSS
If I got one, I would use the tax break funds to have a grill designed and put on the front with a running horse. The issue with putting on rear side air scoops is another story... ::)
The entire marketing division of FoMoCo seems to be constantly at odds with their own company and at times even with themselves.
The concept of the "Mustang" is a '60s thing. I doubt that those production numbers will ever again be attained.
If "we" are the basis for the current "Mustang's" marketing concept then the company is in big trouble.
I can see the resistance right here of Ford attempting to relate the Shelby name of the '60s to the current generation.
The current configuration of the car has very little to do with the original products. This is a new market.
Personally I have no issue in dividing my interests. One is this ridiculous attachment to a '60s idea that seemingly has been attached to my DNA and will only die when I do.
The other is the practicality of living in today's world yet still seeking the excitement created by the marketing division of more then a few 60s corporations. Dow Chemicals Napom and Agent Orange ARE NOT one of them. Playboy and Shelby...yes.
I don't have issues with an electric vehicle that far exceeds the performance capabilities of those '60s icons. I'm not married to gasoline engines. The petrol industry has not killed what little intellectual capacity I have left and attached me to a "save the dino fuel" cult.
I'll take a car that is battery powered and does 0 to 60 in under 3 seconds. The 1/4 in 10 seconds. Of course I will.
I certainly don't like the idea that in 7 years I'm going to have to replace the 8,000 AA lithium rechargeable batteries the thing will kill. No. Someone has to do something about that for sure.
I think really that the folly is that Ford is trying to tie so much of it's youth market to the Mustang and Shelby name? There is so little of the original Mustang concept left that I see, I think they should just find a new Koolaide moniker to stick on the battery powered version? Calling it a Mustang is just insulting to me but I guess they've given up on selling me on a new version of the beaten to death concept anyway?
Just kill the Mustang name and let it live on in the '60s image unless maybe they want to compete with a mid-engine C8 beater? There they might get my attention again? Nah. They won't, but the challenge is to Ford, not to me. GM's got the idea. ;)
Ford Marketing appears to be a "one trick" pony!
Quote from: Don Johnston on November 16, 2019, 12:03:16 AM
If I got one, I would use the tax break funds to have a grill designed and put on the front with a running horse. The issue with putting on rear side air scoops is another story... ::)
Any tax breaks given will likely be spent on the car in the form of "dealer markup" before you even get it. Also, don't forget that you'll have to buy charging equipment. Has anything been said about the charge range on this car? Where will you be able to charge it away from home? Also, I'm willing to bet your annual vehicle registration fees will be "adjusted" because the vehicle doesn't use gas and pay the gas taxes that everyone else pays.
Quote from: Scode67FB on November 17, 2019, 03:06:28 AM
Any tax breaks given will likely be spent on the car in the form of "dealer markup" before you even get it.
From other examples it reduces the cost of the vehicle to the buyer - we make up the difference
Quote from: Scode67FB on November 17, 2019, 03:06:28 AMAlso, don't forget that you'll have to buy charging equipment. Has anything been said about the charge range on this car? Where will you be able to charge it away from home?
Depends on where you live. Around here they are fairly regular. Even the local Bass Pro Shop has charging stations in their parking lots. Range should be around the same as the Tesla rather than the Fiat ;)
Driving around here you see maybe 50-100 EV's every hour or so depending on where your driving in the area
Quote from: Scode67FB on November 17, 2019, 03:06:28 AMAlso, I'm willing to bet your annual vehicle registration fees will be "adjusted" because the vehicle doesn't use gas and pay the gas taxes that everyone else pays.
Haven't seen that on current ones. We just raise the taxes on fuel. Last week I paid $2.10 about 80 minutes outside of Washington DC and fuel here was $3.78 or so (CA) at the cheap stations. Other places are went over $4. Average higher that HI
I feel like this is the late 80's all over......
The Probe years??? Remember that ::)
The Probe was actually a great car, that is one car I wish I never got rid of, unfortunately it was considered a girls car. As far as this thing goes, it might be cool, but I wish it had a grill. I might be a fine vehicle, but it might be laughed at also. Maybe it should be called "California Special" as those people love their coal powered electric vehicles. (Americans can be fooled very easily), hell the world is fooled by those electric coal burning cars, what do people think they are charging them up with? ....WAKE UP America!
And then we have Ford's power plans:
https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2019/10/17/ford-introduces-north-americas-largest-electric-vehicle-charting-network.html
Maybe the price of gas will drop due to reduced demand. Better for us old fossils that drive fossil burners.
8)
I suspect the probe was a good car, but remember they were going to call it the Mustang. And front wheel drive at that.......everyone was thinking the same thing...."A front wheel drive Mustang??.....NOOOOOOO
even the color is stunning ... yikes !
Dang, is it ugly or what?
Quote from: 67 GT350 on November 17, 2019, 11:30:18 AM
The Probe ...... it was considered a girls car.
So was the Mustang. Targeted to secretaries and moms. E cars are dirtier than gas powered. Dirty to build, dirty to charge, dirty to dispose of batteries, the list goes on. Here in LA the arguement is that the power is produced out of the basin. I work for a utility and decided to buy my daughters Volt when she got a new one. $8000. I could use the car pool lane with one person for free. I can charge at work for free - they just added 15 new transformers to supply another 200 electric charging spots. The final kicker was I got $5200 back on my taxes. Real money not a 5200 reduction in earnings. As soon as I retire some other employee will become the owner.
It just makes me want to puke.
I know the automotive world is going electric. And that car looks as good as any of the others, but it just ruins the heritage of the Mustang for me. And they're going to offer a 4-door version? Oh, my! They've taken a nameplate that stood for something special and put it on a battery powered sedan for the masses.
I hope they sell plenty and stay in business, but I know I won't be buying one. And although I'll be keeping my classic Shelby, I'll never by a new Mustang again if it's going to share the nameplate with that... ... ... thing. (That's the nicest word I could come up with.)
At least the Mustang-II of the mid 70s was still a pony car. How can they claim this sedan/SUV is a pony car?
I've been a Ford guy all my life, but this will make me give the other brands a shot at my loyalty.
Steve
Quote from: SFM6S087 on November 18, 2019, 06:49:31 AM
At least the Mustang-II of the mid 70s was still a pony car. How can they claim this sedan/SUV is a pony car?
I've been a Ford guy all my life, but this will make me give the other brands a shot at my loyalty.
Steve
A new combination of 'Elanor Woods speed reading' and the current atmosphere of alternate facts/reality?
Guys, stop with all the hate and threats that you are going to leave the brand, surely none of you are that shallow in your loyalty.
Listen, I don't like the fact that they used the Mustang name either, BUT... it is their name to use and they are proud of it. Ford also has a responsibility to try and stay relevant in the "go green, how dare you take my childhood world" because if they don't, some Japanesse, Korean or Chinese company will own it or you and I the taxpayer will have to bail them out. If you are an EX Ford employee you should be thankful they are trying so they can continue retiree benefits.
How about lets support them in their efforts to stay ahead or at least with the rest of the herd and understand that maybe, just maybe they won't get everything right, but at least they are trying.
I for one will bleed Ford blue until I'm no longer present in the body.
the Mach E moving down a road
https://www.facebook.com/1499478240290347/posts/2413627115542117/
To everyone whining about the Mach E:
Ford finally has a Tesla competitor that fills a market gap in Tesla's lineup and undercuts their pricing model as well, it makes 460hp and 612ft/lb, and the "mustang" name is designed to sell. People need to realize that Ford, amongst other large corps, don't care about you; they care about numbers. People today want EVs and crossovers, and to the average consumer a fast EV crossover called a mustang is what they want. Realize that the market involves more than just enthusiasts. This thing's gonna sell and that's what matters to Ford, whether you like it or not.
By the way I have no interest in this vehicle nor do we intend on purchasing one but this is reality.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 18, 2019, 02:08:53 PM
To everyone whining about the Mach E:
Ford finally has a Tesla competitor that fills a market gap in Tesla's lineup and undercuts their pricing model as well, it makes 460hp and 612ft/lb, and the "mustang" name is designed to sell. People need to realize that Ford, amongst other large corps, don't care about you; they care about numbers. People today want EVs and crossovers, and to the average consumer a fast EV crossover called a mustang is what they want. Realize that the market involves more than just enthusiasts. This thing's gonna sell and that's what matters to Ford, whether you like it or not.
By the way I have no interest in this vehicle nor do we intend on purchasing one but this is reality.
OH NO! They got you too? I suppose this is war and there will be casualties? Sorry to have lost you to the Dark Side!
Ya didn't read all the fine print, especially on the very bottom.
"By the way I have no interest in this vehicle nor do we intend on purchasing one but this is reality."
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 18, 2019, 02:16:54 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 18, 2019, 02:08:53 PM
By the way I have no interest in this vehicle nor do we intend on purchasing one but this is reality.
:)
OH NO! They got you too? I suppose this is war and there will be casualties? Sorry to have lost you to the Dark Side!
Ford is calling this a Mustang, because they know we will hate them using this name and blow up the internet with this new car of theirs. Easy, free publicity. Now everybody knows Ford is building an electric car to compete with Tesla. That would not happen by calling it a Freestar.
Nameplate Deja vu - 1958 Thunderbird or LeBaron mania at Chrysler. LOL
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 18, 2019, 04:35:47 PM
Ya didn't read all the fine print, especially on the very bottom.
"By the way I have no interest in this vehicle nor do we intend on purchasing one but this is reality."
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 18, 2019, 02:16:54 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 18, 2019, 02:08:53 PM
By the way I have no interest in this vehicle nor do we intend on purchasing one but this is reality.
:)
OH NO! They got you too? I suppose this is war and there will be casualties? Sorry to have lost you to the Dark Side!
Oh I read it but after reading,
"Realize that the market involves more than just enthusiasts. This thing's gonna sell and that's what matters to Ford, whether you like it or not. "
It reads as what a Bot would post in support of Corporate position. That certainly is your prerogative but to me it makes you "disqualifying" in my view. What other Corporate crap are you going to spill all over us here now?
We all are quite capable of making our own decisions and don't need a lecture from you or for that matter, anyone else. As we say in the south "bless your heart Darlin'". ;)
we can tell you had a BAD DAY at work...here's your trophy !
feel better !
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 18, 2019, 05:29:24 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 18, 2019, 04:35:47 PM
Ya didn't read all the fine print, especially on the very bottom.
"By the way I have no interest in this vehicle nor do we intend on purchasing one but this is reality."
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 18, 2019, 02:16:54 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 18, 2019, 02:08:53 PM
By the way I have no interest in this vehicle nor do we intend on purchasing one but this is reality.
:)
OH NO! They got you too? I suppose this is war and there will be casualties? Sorry to have lost you to the Dark Side!
Oh I read it but after reading,
"Realize that the market involves more than just enthusiasts. This thing's gonna sell and that's what matters to Ford, whether you like it or not. "
It reads as what a Bot would post in support of Corporate position. That certainly is your prerogative but to me it makes you "disqualifying" in my view. What other Corporate crap are you going to spill all over us here now?
We all are quite capable of making our own decisions and don't need a lecture from you or for that matter, anyone else. As we say in the south "bless your heart Darlin'". ;)
Not much demand for EV's today, we'll see what the future holds. The automakers seem to be putting ALL of their eggs in that basket.
I personally think it's BS. A big, steaming pile of BS. EV's have to get their power from somewhere (mainly coal plants right now). This whole EV thing is a ruse as far as "sustainable energy" goes. I'm going to refuse to hop on that crazy train until I have no choice.
(Maybe I can get a pretty trophy from Tony too????)
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 18, 2019, 02:16:54 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 18, 2019, 02:08:53 PM
People today want EVs and crossovers
OH NO! They got you too? I suppose this is war and there will be casualties? Sorry to have lost you to the Dark Side!
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 18, 2019, 05:48:33 PM
we can tell you had a BAD DAY at work...here's your trophy !
feel better !
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 18, 2019, 05:29:24 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 18, 2019, 04:35:47 PM
Ya didn't read all the fine print, especially on the very bottom.
"By the way I have no interest in this vehicle nor do we intend on purchasing one but this is reality."
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 18, 2019, 02:16:54 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 18, 2019, 02:08:53 PM
By the way I have no interest in this vehicle nor do we intend on purchasing one but this is reality.
:)
OH NO! They got you too? I suppose this is war and there will be casualties? Sorry to have lost you to the Dark Side!
Oh I read it but after reading,
"Realize that the market involves more than just enthusiasts. This thing's gonna sell and that's what matters to Ford, whether you like it or not. "
It reads as what a Bot would post in support of Corporate position. That certainly is your prerogative but to me it makes you "disqualifying" in my view. What other Corporate crap are you going to spill all over us here now?
We all are quite capable of making our own decisions and don't need a lecture from you or for that matter, anyone else. As we say in the south "bless your heart Darlin'". ;)
Bite me Tony. Listen Slick. Wasn't there previous discussion about you causing crap here and there was discussion with the moderator and you promised to curb your ways?
It isn't me who is having a bad day. You apparently are off of your meds again.
When the debate is lost, slander and insults becomes the tool of the loser.
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 18, 2019, 07:37:32 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 18, 2019, 05:48:33 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 18, 2019, 05:29:24 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 18, 2019, 04:35:47 PM
Ya didn't read all the fine print, especially on the very bottom.
"By the way I have no interest in this vehicle nor do we intend on purchasing one but this is reality."
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 18, 2019, 02:16:54 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 18, 2019, 02:08:53 PM
By the way I have no interest in this vehicle nor do we intend on purchasing one but this is reality.
:)
Oh I read it but after reading,
"Realize that the market involves more than just enthusiasts. This thing's gonna sell and that's what matters to Ford, whether you like it or not. "
It reads as what a Bot would post in support of Corporate position. That certainly is your prerogative but to me it makes you "disqualifying" in my view. What other Corporate crap are you going to spill all over us here now?
We all are quite capable of making our own decisions and don't need a lecture from you or for that matter, anyone else. As we say in the south "bless your heart Darlin'". ;)
Bite me Tony. Listen Slick. Wasn't there previous discussion about you causing crap here and there was discussion with the moderator and you promised to curb your ways?
It isn't me who is having a bad day. You apparently are off of your meds again.
Back to topic. I notice that some prototypes show no front grill (red car), like the Tesla front. Others, like the blue model have a false grill. I wonder what the option cost will be for it?
Now, if they start putting stripes over the top or on the lower side panels, there could be rioting. 8)
Does Mach E refer to Edsel? ::)
This is the end of the Mustang as we all knew it since 1964, so sad to see this happen.
This new Ford may be the best car on the planet and single-handedly save the company, but it's not a Mustang as they have marketed that nameplate for over 50 years. A 4-door family sedan/SUV is not a pony car, and is almost guaranteed to alienate a large percentage of the Mustang faithful. I can't wait to see how MCA handles this. "Where do I park my Mustang-E, 4-door, SUV for judging?"
Their company, their car, their choice, but it seems to me they could have named it something else and not angered some of their most loyal customers while devaluing a nameplate they've spent decades cultivating.
Steve
Might be similar to 911 Porsche fans reaction to the four door Panamera. But at least it was not called a 911 nor has it it been converted to battery power. 8)
New logo......
Appropriate logo. Lol!!!
Edmund Burke to Ford Marketing: "Those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it." Like the original Thunderbird, the Mustang is sacrificed. Meanwhile, GM's eight iteration of the Corvette positions it as a truly world class sportscar.
Instead of calling it The Mach e they might call it the Mocker-e 😂
Roy
Quote from: csxsfm on November 19, 2019, 03:08:55 PM
Meanwhile, GM's eight iteration of the Corvette positions it as a truly world class sportscar.
Indeed, 2020 Corvette named Car of the Year, this awful toad may be the worst.......
https://www.motortrend.com/news/chevrolet-corvette-c8-2020-car-of-the-year/
We had not heard that
Quote from: CorvetteMike on November 19, 2019, 05:15:07 PM
Quote from: csxsfm on November 19, 2019, 03:08:55 PM
Meanwhile, GM's eight iteration of the Corvette positions it as a truly world class sportscar.
Indeed, 2020 Corvette named Car of the Year, this awful toad may be the worst.......
https://www.motortrend.com/news/chevrolet-corvette-c8-2020-car-of-the-year/
This is probably the best article concerning the electric Mustang.
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/11/17/this-is-the-2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-gt
Roy
The C8 will mean virtually nothing to GM's bottom line.
This is about survival. Yeah, they shouldn't call it a Mustang, but I think they are swinging for the fences here.
The Maquis (pronounced MachE) are a terrorist organization in the Star Trek franchise. I guess they infiltrated the Ford Motor Company! 😂😵
So what will they call it in Japan. Maki (pronounced mah-kee) sushi is the type that is rice and various items rolled inside of seaweed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeQQizcFGls
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Johnston San, you know the MAKI name is more palatable and easier to swallow than the MACH E name....Arigato !
Quote from: Don Johnston on November 19, 2019, 07:13:02 PM
So what will they call it in Japan. Maki (pronounced mah-kee) sushi is the type that is rice and various items rolled inside of seaweed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeQQizcFGls
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The name might be called MACH-ETTE to cut ties with the faithful... Just sayin :-[
orale carnal, we will get our vato Danny T on it right away pinche mach E
suave ese...
Something like that..... ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TA Coupe on November 19, 2019, 05:57:24 PM
This is probably the best article concerning the electric Mustang.
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/11/17/this-is-the-2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-gt
Roy
I like the one comment to the article from db2sub1
db2sub1
Looks like a Mustang & a Hyundai had a baby; but should've practiced birth control.
Coming soon to a Ford dealer near you, the new Mustang Mach-WT (Work Truck), the new Mustang Mach-DV (Delivery Van), the new Mustang Mach-L (Limousine), and the highly anticipated Mustang Mach-SB (School Bus). And... (we can't forget the farmers)... the new Mustang Mach-T (Tractor).
Finally, a Mustang for every purpose! Why waste a good nameplate on stupid "pony" cars?
Steve
I'm sure this development hasn't been lost on the GM boys, looking forward to their new SUV the "ZR-E". :o
Quote from: SFM6S087 on November 21, 2019, 05:56:09 AM
Coming soon to a Ford dealer near you, the new Mustang Mach-WT (Work Truck), the new Mustang Mach-DV (Delivery Van), the new Mustang Mach-L (Limousine), and the highly anticipated Mustang Mach-SB (School Bus). And... (we can't forget the farmers)... the new Mustang Mach-T (Tractor).
Finally, a Mustang for every purpose! Why waste a good nameplate on stupid "pony" cars?
Steve
We all know Ford is working it's way out of the car business entirely, this is just another case of the "Suits" at Ford reinventing themselves into a company that sells SUV's and trucks exclusively.
Cannot wait to see the release of the new Shelby Mach-E. >:(
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Aztek
PONTIAC AZTEK, ITS 20 YEAR OLDER BROTHER -
ord developed a model called the Ford Lithium model Mustang recently that has over 900 HP. MOre of a Mustang than the Mach E model.
https://hothardware.com/news/ford-electric-mustang-lithium-900-horsepower-6-speed-manual
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Quote from: Don Johnston on November 21, 2019, 01:35:34 PM
ord developed a model called the Ford Lithium model Mustang recently that has over 900 HP. MOre of a Mustang than the Mach E model.
https://hothardware.com/news/ford-electric-mustang-lithium-900-horsepower-6-speed-manual
I don't believe any of the rumors that the Mach E is a badge engineered Tesla Model X, he said without a hint of sarcasm.
A good place to voice your concern with Ford.........
https://www.change.org/p/ford-motor-company-name-change-mustang-mach-e/d?source_location=combo_psf
Mike thanks for the link I just voiced my opinion to the manufacturer. I just said....r-E-diculous
Quote from: CorvetteMike on November 21, 2019, 02:52:01 PM
A good place to voice your concern with Ford.........
https://www.change.org/p/ford-motor-company-name-change-mustang-mach-e/d?source_location=combo_psf
Quote from: SFM6S087 on November 21, 2019, 05:56:09 AM
Coming soon to a Ford dealer near you, the new Mustang Mach-WT (Work Truck), the new Mustang Mach-DV (Delivery Van), the new Mustang Mach-L (Limousine), and the highly anticipated Mustang Mach-SB (School Bus). And... (we can't forget the farmers)... the new Mustang Mach-T (Tractor).
Finally, a Mustang for every purpose! Why waste a good nameplate on stupid "pony" cars?
Steve
Wait till SA get hold if it - the GT120 (and us in AU will get the GT240)
Shelby American already came out witheir Shelby GTE nameplate ecoboost model in 2017. In runs on that nasty fossil fuel stuff, some which may come rom Canada. Sorry, primary battery use is to start the car.
https://performance.ford.com/enthusiasts/newsroom/2017/07/shelby-gte-mustang-ecoboost.html
Remember that CS worked over 20 years ago on a hydrogen powered 427 model Cobra with UC-Riverside. Problem at the time wast that ithe limited technology only allowed it to run a couple of quarter miles tests before needing more fuel due to a small under pressurized fuel tank. The red protype was sold a couple of years ago.
https://performance.ford.com/enthusiasts/newsroom/2017/07/shelby-gte-mustang-ecoboost.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4563676/ns/us_news-environment/t/hydrogen-cars-ready-roll-price/#.XddOb-hKhhE
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Boom shaka laka boom !
CS driving an electric Cobra
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0UqCsLzWRrM&feature=share
Another consideration about the Mach-E and Ford 150 hybrid and E trucks is the future mandated Federal mileage standards. They may be delayed, but they are approaching and Ford is commited to being a player. If you have a bunch of E cars and trucks that are good sellers, then Ford will be able to meet the standards while still giving us super toys like the low mileage GT350 ad GT500 models. 8)
Quote from: Don Johnston on November 27, 2019, 03:02:10 PM
Another consideration about the Mach-E and Ford 150 hybrid and E trucks is the future mandated Federal mileage standards. They may be delayed, but they are approaching and Ford is commited to being a player. If you have a bunch of E cars and trucks that are good sellers, then Ford will be able to meet the standards while still giving us super toys like the low mileage GT350 ad GT500 models. 8)
I agree they are being forced into building and selling these things, this is not free market economics and business at work (one of my main problems with it all), but we are not being forced into buying them, yet. But I am OK if the younger people who don't care what they drive, like recorded engine noise, and recharging ever few hundred miles for hours, buy them all so I can have a real car or truck.......works for me..... ;D
And now (drum roll), the Ford Mustang Mach-E pickup! No, not a ranger model, it is another Mustang. Why not with a four door SUV, now we have a pickup truck. Aren't you excited?
https://www.motor1.com/news/384794/mustang-mach-e-truck/
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Quote from: Don Johnston on November 27, 2019, 05:16:28 PM
And now (drum roll), the Ford Mustang Mach-E pickup! No, not a ranger model, it is another Mustang. Why not with a four door SUV, now we have a pickup truck. Aren't you excited?
https://www.motor1.com/news/384794/mustang-mach-e-truck/
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OMG! Sometimes I think the world has gone insane, first Greta and now this...... :'(
a tragic comedy...
Quote from: Don Johnston on November 27, 2019, 05:16:28 PM
And now (drum roll), the Ford Mustang Mach-E pickup! No, not a ranger model, it is another Mustang. Why not with a four door SUV, now we have a pickup truck. Aren't you excited?
https://www.motor1.com/news/384794/mustang-mach-e-truck/
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/please-leave-the-corvette-alone/ar-BBXo6SS?li=BBnb2gh
Quote from: 2112 on November 27, 2019, 06:59:44 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/please-leave-the-corvette-alone/ar-BBXo6SS?li=BBnb2gh
+1....... ;D
DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER...this just in
Ford dealership gets 40 orders for Mustang Mach-E in 1 night (source: Detroit Free Press)
First edition of all-electric 2021 SUV model sold out
Imagine getting 40 customers in one night for a vehicle that starts at $43,895 and reaches $60,500.
Steve Fuentes did.
"And we're up to 100 reservations now," he said. "The Mustang Mach-E has had a tremendous positive response. This is one of the biggest game changers we've ever had."
The owner of Sunnyvale Ford in the heart of Silicon Valley raved about response to the 2021 Mustang Mach-E SUV at a dealership located just blocks from Tesla, the rival high-profile electric car maker led by controversial CEO Elon Musk. "I just think the market is ripe and it's ready for something other than Tesla. Our all-electric SUV with a 300 mile range is super cool and functional."
Fuentes noted that the high-efficiency vehicle will allow drivers to use special commuter lanes in the notoriously congested West Coast highways. "It's like the e-ticket at Disneyland," he said.
More than one in four buyers of the now sold-out first edition version of the Mach-E lives in California.
Yet response from other parts of America to the vehicle has been immediate.
Tom Nardone, 49, an entrepreneur from Birmingham, Michigan, placed his $500 reservation for a base model 2021 Mustang Mach-E with all-wheel drive within hours of watching the unveiling on YouTube. "I'm interested in efficiency. I like the idea of a Tesla but I don't trust Tesla. I would've bought a Chevrolet Bolt but it wasn't very attractive. Right now I'm driving a 2020 Camry hybrid. I love it. This new vehicle will replace my wife's 2017 Dodge Journey."
Mike Van Camp, 36, an industrial metal fabrication contractor from Schereville, Indiana, chose the Mustang Mach-E GT nearly two decades after buying a 2001 GT yellow convertible. "I was looking for something sporty and considered getting a Jeep Gladiator. But this, it's the first of its kind and I can say I was there when it first came out."
Anne Thimm, 58, a retired analyst from Alexandria, Virginia, laughs when she talks about her love of Mustang.
"Back in 2001, the Mustang Bullitt came out and I just fell in love with that car. I walked into a Ford dealership and the guy said to me, 'Honey, don't you think that's a little too much for you?' Like, really? I was just floored. I was ready to pay cash for that car. So I walked right out and went to another Ford dealership 15 miles down the road and got my Bullitt. I loved that car."
She sadly parted with the Mustang to transport her four dogs.
"I mourn that car every day," Thimm said. "Now we can get a Mustang to haul our dogs and also have electric. When I saw the Mach-E, I thought, 'Oh my God, it checks all our boxes.' It's fun and it has plenty of room."
Soon she will replace her Toyota Highlander hybrid with a first edition red Mach-E.
Matt Stanford, general manager at Varsity Ford in Ann Arbor, said he has totaled 70 orders for the Mach-E already.
"And I actually ordered one for myself, a black GT," he confessed. "I have professors who have ordered, doctors, Ford employees, folks looking for an answer to the combustible engine - people concerned about their carbon footprint. I've got folks in their mid-20s all the way up to their late 60s."
This is new territory for Ford, said Stanford, whose uncles founded the dealership and whose family members sell cars. "Ford, instead of sticking its toe in the pool, jumped completely into the deep end. Tesla has owned the market. Tesla is just killing it. There's a sexiness to the Tesla vehicle. It's a status symbol, almost a way of life for some people. It's a sleek, nice looking car. So Ford's going at 'em."
First editions are selling mostly in Carbonized Gray at 38%, Grabber Blue Metallic at 35% and Rapid Red at 27%. More than 80% of U.S. customers are reserving Mach-E with an extended range battery. About 55% are buying all-wheel drive. Almost 30% are choosing the top-model GT.
The Dearborn automaker doesn't reveal the number of first editions sold but does note that the company has promised only 50,000 Mach-E vehicles that will be sold for the first 12 months in the U.S., Canada and Europe, and then other markets including China, Ford spokeswoman Emma Bergg confirmed.
There are four other trim levels besides the first edition. A potential tax credit of $7,500 will be applied to the prices below:
❚ Select, from $43,895
❚ Premium, from $50,600
❚ First Edition, from $59,900
❚ California Route 1, from $52,400
❚ GT from $60,500 While some Mustang aficionados freaked out when Ford announced the iconic pony car's name would be used on an SUV, many Mustang collectors loved the idea.
"I own a silver 2005 Mustang GT," Nardone said. "I'm dying to get rid of that Mustang. It gets 12 miles to the gallon. This electric Mustang is going to be quicker than my Mustang GT."
Van Camp, who drives a 2017 Ford Explorer for work, has been searching for years for the right car and all-electric didn't play a key role in his decision. "I was definitely dead set on buying a Mustang and after I saw the Mach-E, I definitely knew I wanted that Mustang.
"It'll probably be an evening car, a weekend car. There's still a little trepidation about taking it on road trips. I'm anxious to see where the charging stations will be. They don't pinpoint a lot around my area yet; I'm just outside Chicago. But I know I can go back and forth from my house to Blackhawks games because they have charging stations in their parking lot."
With energy efficiency top of mind, now Van Camp is considering the idea of installing solar panels at his business, Van's Industrial.
Carla Bailo, CEO of the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, said she's not surprised by the rapid response to the hot new electric vehicle.
"We're starting to see a new era in EVs," she said. "They're being seen as performance vehicles now. They really get off the line fast. They have great acceleration. Because of that, you're getting kind of an enthusiast culture around EVs. Initially when they came out, it was more about the green side of things and saving the environment. Now this is being marketed as a performance vehicle."
Fuentes said the potential for Ford can't be overstated.
"This Mustang Mach-E is going to be so impactful," he said. "If we're getting this kind of response, and it's a year away, you can only imagine and have to believe that this is the second coming of the original Mustang."
While America is responding with enthusiasm, consumers in the Golden State continue to lead the way.
"California has been on the environmental forefront for decades and Californians are on the leading edge of electric vehicles," said Mike Levine, Ford North America product communications manager. "Ford is committed to bring EVs to market that are exciting and meet the needs of California and the rest of the U.S. as well as customers around the world."
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I would not classify that as a stampede.
The new Mach E or machi just cant get any better, some pretty cooler options ... wonder what next in their bag of tricks?
Tater chip or cheetos bag holders, going to be great !
https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2020/02/03/football-season-over-mustang-mach-e-frunk.html
The SPIN doctors are hard at work trying to drum up interest. They are about right in line with the prius... Yaaahn the soccer moms will get to practice on time or quicker I suppose. :-[
Brand marketing is a big thing. Those people in the business get paid very big bucks to make the association work.
There are always going to be people who want what they think is an intelligent alternative to the otherwise status quo.
I don't have issues with that, but I don't like being force fed an item by marketers convincing me that an SUV is a Mustang.
All electric vehicles don't need to be a sterile anti-everything lump of plastic like a Prius. That is just a really bad attempt at a different alternative. It definitely appeals to the Aliens living among us. It's a crappy, sterile design.
If that's what you are into, maybe you should buy some of that breakfast cerial made from recycled plastics? That's really rad. Of course if so, if you have any friends, you should listen to them when they ask you why you are such a dipshit? They're right?
Tesla/Monk, being the radical revolutionary that he is, has a somewhat different approach. His efforts haven't gone unnoticed but in committing to a non-petrolium alternative vehicle he hasn't solved the issue of removing his carbon footprint.
In fact, he has just transferred it to another energy delivery device. The energy to charge the batteries has to come from somewhere and it isn't coming from windmills?
What struck me as a somewhat unsolved issue with Tesla's is simply what do you do with the 8,000 AA rechargeable batteries in 8 years when their life is depleted?
It has suggestions to me that maybe the thinking by Tesla is just to push the answer 8 years down the road and stick someone else with the problem of a totally useless and unrepairable vehicle?
Some of these issues like fossil fuels really don't ever have a solution. They will eventually just have an agreement everyone can accept at merely a majority opinion of 50% + 1, and that leaves a lot of other folks unhappy like with a minority President does.
It's true that my "special cars" aren't particularly green. At a useage level of a 50 year old car with 22,000 miles on it, I'll bet that the carbon footprint it leaves is a lot less then the jet exhaust of one flight from Newark to O'hare?
If there is ever a solution to the carbon problem, it isn't going to be in my lifetime. The sea levels during the ice height of the Ice Age were 80 to 100 feet lower then right now.
As the ice caps melt, there are going to be a lot of folks under water in what was formally Florida, but heck, I was always a mountain type of guy anyway? Works for me?
If you live in Florida, you already have a boat anyway, right? 8)
Looks like it is probable that my state is about to outlaw the sale of new gasoline powered cars by the year 2030.
If you are worried about carbon pollution, you need to get serious about what is happening outside the United States;
https://www.windy.com/-CO-concentration-cosc?cosc,22.187,-48.691,3
This is an overlay of CO, CO2, NOX and particulates. Gets updated non-stop
Uhmm...when we bought our home in FL we calculated the rising oceans and estimated our life expectancy. If we get this right we are going to bank roll our property before we check out it should be ocean front.
On another note you are wrong on the batteries a Tesla takes...its 8001 double A batteries...
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 08, 2020, 08:02:06 AM
Brand marketing is a big thing. Those people in the business get paid very big bucks to make the association work.
There are always going to be people who want what they think is an intelligent alternative to the otherwise status quo.
I don't have issues with that, but I don't like being force fed an item by marketers convincing me that an SUV is a Mustang.
All electric vehicles don't need to be a sterile anti-everything lump of plastic like a Prius. That is just a really bad attempt at a different alternative. It definitely appeals to the Aliens living among us. It's a crappy, sterile design.
If that's what you are into, maybe you should buy some of that breakfast cerial made from recycled plastics? That's really rad. Of course if so, if you have any friends, you should listen to them when they ask you why you are such a dipshit? They're right?
Tesla/Monk, being the radical revolutionary that he is, has a somewhat different approach. His efforts haven't gone unnoticed but in committing to a non-petrolium alternative vehicle he hasn't solved the issue of removing his carbon footprint.
In fact, he has just transferred it to another energy delivery device. The energy to charge the batteries has to come from somewhere and it isn't coming from windmills?
What struck me as a somewhat unsolved issue with Tesla's is simply what do you do with the 8,000 AA rechargeable batteries in 8 years when their life is depleted?
It has suggestions to me that maybe the thinking by Tesla is just to push the answer 8 years down the road and stick someone else with the problem of a totally useless and unrepairable vehicle?
Some of these issues like fossil fuels really don't ever have a solution. They will eventually just have an agreement everyone can accept at merely a majority opinion of 50% + 1, and that leaves a lot of other folks unhappy like with a minority President does.
It's true that my "special cars" aren't particularly green. At a useage level of a 50 year old car with 22,000 miles on it, I'll bet that the carbon footprint it leaves is a lot less then the jet exhaust of one flight from Newark to O'hare?
If there is ever a solution to the carbon problem, it isn't going to be in my lifetime. The sea levels during the ice height of the Ice Age were 80 to 100 feet lower then right now.
As the ice caps melt, there are going to be a lot of folks under water in what was formally Florida, but heck, I was always a mountain type of guy anyway? Works for me?
If you live in Florida, you already have a boat anyway, right? 8)
What part of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics do you reside in comrade?
Quote from: 2112 on February 08, 2020, 12:12:44 PM
Looks like it is probable that my state is about to outlaw the sale of new gasoline powered cars by the year 2030.
If you are worried about carbon pollution, you need to get serious about what is happening outside the United States;
https://www.windy.com/-CO-concentration-cosc?cosc,22.187,-48.691,3
This is an overlay of CO, CO2, NOX and particulates. Gets updated non-stop
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on February 09, 2020, 03:19:39 PM
Uhmm...when we bought our home in FL we calculated the rising oceans and estimated our life expectancy. If we get this right we are going to bank roll our property before we check out it should be ocean front.
On another note you are wrong on the batteries a Tesla takes...its 8001 double A batteries...
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 08, 2020, 08:02:06 AM
Brand marketing is a big thing. Those people in the business get paid very big bucks to make the association work.
There are always going to be people who want what they think is an intelligent alternative to the otherwise status quo.
I don't have issues with that, but I don't like being force fed an item by marketers convincing me that an SUV is a Mustang.
All electric vehicles don't need to be a sterile anti-everything lump of plastic like a Prius. That is just a really bad attempt at a different alternative. It definitely appeals to the Aliens living among us. It's a crappy, sterile design.
If that's what you are into, maybe you should buy some of that breakfast cerial made from recycled plastics? That's really rad. Of course if so, if you have any friends, you should listen to them when they ask you why you are such a dipshit? They're right?
Tesla/Monk, being the radical revolutionary that he is, has a somewhat different approach. His efforts haven't gone unnoticed but in committing to a non-petrolium alternative vehicle he hasn't solved the issue of removing his carbon footprint.
In fact, he has just transferred it to another energy delivery device. The energy to charge the batteries has to come from somewhere and it isn't coming from windmills?
What struck me as a somewhat unsolved issue with Tesla's is simply what do you do with the 8,000 AA rechargeable batteries in 8 years when their life is depleted?
It has suggestions to me that maybe the thinking by Tesla is just to push the answer 8 years down the road and stick someone else with the problem of a totally useless and unrepairable vehicle?
Some of these issues like fossil fuels really don't ever have a solution. They will eventually just have an agreement everyone can accept at merely a majority opinion of 50% + 1, and that leaves a lot of other folks unhappy like with a minority President does.
It's true that my "special cars" aren't particularly green. At a useage level of a 50 year old car with 22,000 miles on it, I'll bet that the carbon footprint it leaves is a lot less then the jet exhaust of one flight from Newark to O'hare?
If there is ever a solution to the carbon problem, it isn't going to be in my lifetime. The sea levels during the ice height of the Ice Age were 80 to 100 feet lower then right now.
As the ice caps melt, there are going to be a lot of folks under water in what was formally Florida, but heck, I was always a mountain type of guy anyway? Works for me?
If you live in Florida, you already have a boat anyway, right? 8)
Highly intelligent and intuitive. You can't buy Nevada desert and wait for the big earthquake that slides California under the sea. Maybe my grand kids can benefit from that?
I hope it all doesn't change the shape of the sea bed and ruin the surfing?
It's too bad. The Florida keys are nice.
Yes the keys are nice, though lots of changes in housing and commercially. Its not the old quaint villages that they were once
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 09, 2020, 03:29:37 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on February 09, 2020, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 08, 2020, 08:02:06 AM
? 8)
Highly intelligent and intuitive. You can't buy Nevada desert and wait for the big earthquake that slides California under the sea. Maybe my grand kids can benefit from that?
I hope it all doesn't change the shape of the sea bed and ruin the surfing?
It's too bad. The Florida keys are nice.
I expect the Mach E to be a strong seller here. Electrics are always being pushed with free airport parking (30 days), free meter parking, tax credits and other incentives. However they still only comprise less than one percent of vehicle registrations. It is expected to rise with greater selection, including SUV and trucks. Problem is lack one sufficient number of charging stations, especially in high rise condos and businesses. Then there is the rental car market where no visitor wants to worry about finding a charging station and time to leave the car.
Latest political concern is lack of gas tax revenue from e-cars so considering a mileage charge added to annual registration. Oh, yeah, and one junior local politician also wanted only electric vehicles to be sold as new cars after 2030. Dealers and public not amused. But do come visit Waikiki soon as the sea level rise is making the beach inches smaller each year. 8)
Quote from: Don Johnston on February 09, 2020, 04:04:39 PM
I expect the Mach E to be a strong seller here. Electrics are always being pushed with free airport parking (30 days), free meter parking, tax credits and other incentives. However they still only comprise less than one percent of vehicle registrations. It is expected to rise with greater selection, including SUV and trucks. Problem is lack one sufficient number of charging stations, especially in high rise condos and businesses. Then there is the rental car market where no visitor wants to worry about finding a charging station and time to leave the car.
Latest political concern is lack of gas tax revenue from e-cars so considering a mileage charge added to annual registration. Oh, yeah, and one junior local politician also wanted only electric vehicles to be sold as new cars after 2030. Dealers and public not amused. But do come visit Waikiki soon as the sea level rise is making the beach inches smaller each year. 8)
How is electricity generated there?
Mostly oil, which has to be shipped here. About 30 percent now is renewable; wind, solar, waste to energy (on Oahu/Honolulu garbage is burned to generate steam power), a little hydo. and soon to be back on line after the volcanic eruption, geothermal. But we have double the national average for electricity at about 32 cents/kwh. Goal is for all power generation to be at 100 percent by 2045. Lofty goal, but getting there. But until they ind a way for aircraft to fly on bio fuel, the refineries will remain.
I suppose there will eventually be a Shelby version
to include lower side scoops for better battery cooling
Some info on the design.
https://www.designnews.com/automotive-0/revealing-ford-mustang-mach-es-recipe-success/22583893962143?ADTRK=InformaMarkets&elq_mid=11744&elq_cid=275892