So some of the inaccurate parts of F v F have been mentioned in other threads but lets put them all up here.
Like...
Ken Miles DID race LeMan in 65
The Daytona coupe in the background shots was...wrong
I'm not sure it's fair to play dogpile on 100 million or so invested in getting the cars we love to the big screen but..............
24hr racers do not squeal the tires, or do burn outs......unless they want to finish last being in the pits changing worn tires
Enzo did not go to races, he rarely left Italy.
Ken Miles did not have a tenuous relationship with Shelby, he was refined, articulate and dedicated to all things Shelby
Racers do not pull up beside each other on 220mph straights and casually look over with the stink eye
I'd like to hear from those that knew Shelby if he was portrayed correctly, many that knew him are still alive
It's just great to see that a film like this was made, I'm happy regardless!!!
Not sure that we have enough space or time. Found it difficult to watch (follow along with the story at times) since the details would often distract me while watching. Tried to tell myself not to do it before I went into the theater - but I did.
I believe it would be hard for someone with an eye trained for correctness to watch a movie like this and NOT see all the inaccuracies. Understood.
On a separate note...what's the true value of this thread? I'm sure there were numerous inaccuracies - some of which the movie makers were aware of, some probably not. I'm not certain pointing them out gains anything in the long run.
After all, it was a movie, not a documentary.
I thought that's what we do on this forum. Nitpick everything. ;D
Jon
Quote from: 1175 on November 18, 2019, 07:22:28 PM
I thought that's what we do on this forum. Nitpick everything. ;D
Jon
...Shelby was taller! ;)
;D
I enjoyed the movie for what it is...entertainment.
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 18, 2019, 07:41:31 PM
Quote from: 1175 on November 18, 2019, 07:22:28 PM
I thought that's what we do on this forum. Nitpick everything. ;D
Jon
...Shelby was taller! ;)
;D
And waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more Texan.
Im glad they made a movie about shelby. Im glad they gave the recognition to ken miles. Yes there were
some mistakes with the movie. Get over it. I have been involved with shelby mustangs since 1981. I
really enjoyed the movie. I could have picked the movie apart also, but i sat there and enjoyed every
second of the movie. You should too.
Agreed. There are errors and misinformation. That's the case with virtually any movie that's based on anything close to real history.
But, consider this: If, ten years ago, we were each asked if we would put up with a handful of inaccuracies in exchange for having a major studio make a big-budget film with big-name stars, about Shelby, Miles and LeMans, I'll bet that 99.9999994% of us would've said "Hell yes, bring it on."
While watching the movie, I did turn to my pal and say "well, that never happened" a few times, but we still enjoyed it immensely.
I only wish that CS was around to have been a consultant, and for me to hear his comments (privately) about the finished product. He might growl and huff a bit at the Hollywood process, but he would love the increased Shelby-name-recognition now on the tongue-tips of a whole new generation of people. I like that too.
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 18, 2019, 07:46:07 PM
I enjoyed the movie for what it is...entertainment.
The cars were a backdrop to the human story lines, nary a scene didn't have something inaccurate either in time line or background... Once I got accustomed to enjoying the story, It was more touching... BUT dang... a Mk IV, J Car, 727s on the ramp... It was done well cinematography, Exceptional acting, and a reasonable capture of something from over 50 years ago, rarely attempted.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the movie and still can't believe it made the big screen.
I just thought we could make it a drinking game. Every time something is incorrect, take a shot!
The scene where Ken came in and said to get rid of the vacuum secondary carb. If you looked through the back window you could see 8 little K&N filters sticking up.
The red MKIV at the end was a painted up MKII
The J car he died in was a half hearted attempt at a J car replica.
When they were replacing the front suspension assembly in the pits the car they were installing it on still had it's spindle and control arms in place.
I would be unable to drive 10 minutes in!
It's the same feelings that my cousin had when he watched Top Gun in '86. He was an F-14 pilot, one of the best in the Navy, and a Top Gun/Aggressor pilot. It's tough to watch movies like that until you remember that they are for entertaining the masses....they are not documentaries. I am just happy, as stated before, that the world has been introduced to that automotive history...when Ford ruled the 60's. So many young people today driving their Subaru's and hopped up Hondas etc probably say "Ford? Against Ferrari? What about Lamborghini??!!" Hopefully they will have some new found respect.
Ken Miles DID race in the 1965 24 hours of Le Mans with Bruce McLaren.
I'd rather have Matt Damon playing Shelby though he isn't a close match in the face, but at 5'10" Matt isn't exactly a shortie either as opposed to an unknown actor who might be a dead ringer for Shelby and can't act worth s&*%. I know that Matt can and he pulled it off in spectacular fashion. They all did. As for the cars, making a film is done on tight time constraints (ask my father) and they need reliability and would not have the patience or tolerance for having the original cars breaking down during shooting scenes, nevermind the private owners allowing their cars to be used in risky scenes. The powers that be would not want expensive insurance claims for damaged one off originals either. Reproduction cars, I submit, were a must for the sake of efficiency and reliability to get the movie done on a projected timeline. And I reiterate, I saw no cgi in this film based on some excerpts during the making. They spared no expense to give the audience a thrill of a lifetime as movies go plus stellar acting within a stellar cast.
I'd love it if some of you guys, that were close to the action, could answer a few question about Shelby's relationship with the Ford Officers and the directive to have Ken Miles slow down.
What was Shelby's relationship with the Deuce? To me, Deuce was portrayed as a medler who would break a promise as he pleased.
What was Shelby's relationship with that guy Leo Beebe?
How did the call for Miles to slow down come to be? Was that Beebe's idea, approved by Deuce?
And finally, did Ken start his final leg knowing he needed to slow it down, or did he get instructions after he was on the track or when pitted?
To me, it really seamed that the suits had no tolerance for Ken Miles, yet they had the best driver in the best car.
Did the movie capture the the interpersonal relationships and actions pretty closely?
Steve
WASAAC went to this as a club yesterday in Seattle on the big IMAX screen. We all promised each other not to criticize or point out inaccuracies....as a whole all 21 of us thoroughly enjoyed the movie.... 8)
Quote from: Shelby_r_b on November 18, 2019, 06:17:25 PM
...On a separate note...what's the true value of this thread?...
That's funny
the same could be said for MANY of the topics on this forum. ;)
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on November 19, 2019, 06:39:26 AM
Quote from: Shelby_r_b on November 18, 2019, 06:17:25 PM
...On a separate note...what's the true value of this thread?...
That's funny
the same could be said for MANY of the topics on this forum. ;)
Ha!! Good point, Chris. 😉
we truly viewed no inaccuracies in this movie
one has to remember this is an entertaining movie made by hollywood to entertain the masses and certainly not a true documentary
Quote from: 1690 on November 18, 2019, 11:53:08 PM
It's the same feelings that my cousin had when he watched Top Gun in '86. He was an F-14 pilot, one of the best in the Navy, and a Top Gun/Aggressor pilot. It's tough to watch movies like that until you remember that they are for entertaining the masses....they are not documentaries. I am just happy, as stated before, that the world has been introduced to that automotive history...when Ford ruled the 60's. So many young people today driving their Subaru's and hopped up Hondas etc probably say "Ford? Against Ferrari? What about Lamborghini??!!" Hopefully they will have some new found respect.
My dad (USAF Fighter pilot from the mid-50's into the mid 70's) laughed when Top Gun came out. But he also remembered him and all his squadron buddies going to see movies with military pilots in it, going back to the 1950's. Always good for a laugh was the sum of it!
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 18, 2019, 08:29:10 PM
Agreed. There are errors and misinformation. That's the case with virtually any movie that's based on anything close to real history.
But, consider this: If, ten years ago, we were each asked if we would put up with a handful of inaccuracies in exchange for having a major studio make a big-budget film with big-name stars, about Shelby, Miles and LeMans, I'll bet that 99.9999994% of us would've said "Hell yes, bring it on."
While watching the movie, I did turn to my pal and say "well, that never happened" a few times, but we still enjoyed it immensely.
I only wish that CS was around to have been a consultant, and for me to hear his comments (privately) about the finished product. He might growl and huff a bit at the Hollywood process, but he would love the increased Shelby-name-recognition now on the tongue-tips of a whole new generation of people. I like that too.
^^^
+1
If CS had been around at the time of release of this production, there probably would be a line of attorneys going after the protrayals and inaccuracies. I am not sure the final cut would have received his blessing, depending on the amount of licensing royalties. Wisdom of Hollywood was to wait. 8)
In general, the movie was well acted BUT the background stuff could have been a lot better, in my opinion. MANY of the shortcomings have been pointed out by others.
Watching the F vs. F race footage reminds me of just how good the race footage from the movie Grand Prix was. By the way,
grand Prix debuted 53 YEARS AGO (before computer-enhanced footage). I think the they also should have spent a little more money on the race footage and certainly sound effects.
As a Cobra racer of the 60's and a retired Big 3 marketing manager, I'm sure I'll get tweaked by the plot line and inaccuracies of this movie when I see it. But what is really important to me is the film got made, and it gives public recognition to some of the major achievements of Ken Miles. I also hope they did some justice to another major contributor to Shelby American's success, Phil Remington.
I think it should have been titled Ford vs Shelby. There was very little of the rivalry with Ferrari.
We would have titled it...KEN MILEs
Quote from: KR Convertible on November 19, 2019, 04:02:40 PM
I think it should have been titled Ford vs Shelby. There was very little of the rivalry with Ferrari.
The representation of the Ford factory and lines of blue Falcons was amusing....
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 19, 2019, 06:36:15 PM
The representation of the Ford factory and lines of blue Falcons was amusing....
Yes really grabbed my attention. Line of all Falcons - not other Ford models, all same body style, color except for the, what appeared to be primer ones, right behind them ::) Magic of Hollywood
Did think they did a better job (still details stood out) of Venice and the Airport
This thread is USELESS!!
Who cares about inaccuracies, it's a movie not a documentary !!!
That's what he said....lol :D
Quote from: 69mach351w on November 19, 2019, 07:58:49 PM
This thread is USELESS!!
Who cares about inaccuracies, it's a movie not a documentary !!!
Wonder if the WWII vets feel the same way when they go view Midway also not showing and posting on their forums. Plenty of other similar films and certainly errors in films to compare with.
Let try to stay on topic. ::)
I find this informative. After all we are always trying to make sure false information about the cars we love is corrected.
If you don't have any inaccuracies to discuss or you don't care about the inaccuracies you can always go look at a scrapbook thread.
Just saying ;)
White & yellow painted road lines were not period correct
The superperfomance used did not look period correct
Chevy LS cylinder head on the workbench in Kens Miles garage
Professional mechanic needed scratches and dirt on his hands. (Christian Bale)
Christian Bales nose was not as big as Ken Miles
No fuel line going to running motor on dyno
17 inch wheels on a shot of a Daytona
Driver got out of test driving red GT40 at airport on right side of car but steering wheel was on the left side
Chevrolet geo parked in one of the streets in L A
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 18, 2019, 07:46:07 PM
I enjoyed the movie for what it is...entertainment.
BINGO !!!
Ferrari never, ever traveled to Le Man's as was depicted in the film
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 19, 2019, 09:36:08 PM
Chevrolet geo parked in one of the streets in L A
Seriously? You're kidding right? I hope...
As a physician I am very used to major inaccuracies depicted by Hollywood. Knowing it will be there, expect it, live with it, and enjoy the story, which I did very much.
And by the way, the chest X-ray was put up backwards.
Great catch ! Our group thoroughly enjoyed the film. After we left the theater and continued our festivity in a nearby restaurant, we discussed the inaccuracies. We laughed and taunted each other.
But in the end we all realized it's just a fun film, definitely not a documentary. Rumor has it that some of us have seen FvF several times already.
Enjoy !
Quote from: Stillakid54 on November 20, 2019, 04:30:24 AM
As a physician I am very used to major inaccuracies depicted by Hollywood. Knowing it will be there, expect it, live with it, and enjoy the story, which I did very much.
And by the way, the chest X-ray was put up backwards.
OK, I get it now.
Even thought the movie is riddled with errors it should be enjoyed for what it is, PURE ENTERTAINMENT...
...just like FOX News. (https://emoticons.datahamster.com/banana2.gif)
LOL ! It's a great entertaining movie that's why it hit over $50 million world wide in its opening week.
Enjoy it for what it is pure entertainment that's all.
As they say at the auctions... and for the fourth and final time...
Chris,
I agree, great entertainment! The charity that sponsored the movie gathering actually had one of the original Lemans GTOs and some GT40s at the event. One of the previous long term owners of the winning car was also present.
A great time was has by all.
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 20, 2019, 08:25:24 AM
Chris,
I agree, great entertainment! The charity that sponsored the movie gathering actually had one of the original Lemans GTOs and some GT40s at the event. One of the previous long term owners of the winning car was also present.
A great time was has by all.
I'm convinced.
Just going to have my lunch (peach mint pie) and I'm off to the movies.
Loved the show. It's been a long time since I was in a theater with a pile of strangers where there was out right laughter and cheers. I sensed some unity for an American accomplishment. That being said, Shelby was saying to himself "wait, wait, ok, now"-referring to Miles getting on it and making his move, when in reality, he wouldn't have even been able to see where Miles was. Yep, I'm going to see it again. As to the nature of this thread- all in fun. Look at the countless discussions about the Bullitt movie, all the hubcaps and such....
We love it also, America !
Quote from: OldMil on November 21, 2019, 03:43:36 PM
Loved the show. It's been a long time since I was in a theater with a pile of strangers where there was out right laughter and cheers. I sensed some unity for an American accomplishment. That being said, Shelby was saying to himself "wait, wait, ok, now"-referring to Miles getting on it and making his move, when in reality, he wouldn't have even been able to see where Miles was. Yep, I'm going to see it again. As to the nature of this thread- all in fun. Look at the countless discussions about the Bullitt movie, all the hubcaps and such....