(//)Which one of these paper tag setups is most correct or did they vary from Dearborn and A.O.?
For an early May build 1970 GT 350?
Stubee
Guessing you have a sportroof and not a convertible based on the pictures you choose to post.
The lower cars (the original pictures) IMHO are the better choice for guidance for the general locations of the decals rather than someones restoration
From around your cars production period
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-250218122322.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/7/6-010817172912-780155.jpeg)
This may give a clue ;)
Quote from: TOBKOB on February 25, 2018, 02:17:35 PM
This may give a clue ;)
Looks like that is the same as the OP's third picture just cropped differently ;)
Jeff. my car #2060 also had a vehicle safety act sticker on the deck lid. I don't see one on any of these pics and I thought all Shelbys were supposed to have them. I can't tell from the posted pics if there is one or not but the pic I posted of the A.O. Smith line does not have one. Any thoughts on this?
TOB
Quote from: TOBKOB on February 25, 2018, 07:16:26 PM
Jeff. my car #2060 also had a vehicle safety act sticker on the deck lid. I don't see one on any of these pics and I thought all Shelbys were supposed to have them. I can't tell from the posted pics if there is one or not but the pic I posted of the A.O. Smith line does not have one. Any thoughts on this?
Should be there - not sure why the AO Smith example doesn't have one on it yet.
As we can see the stickers didn't stay attached to well over time to the uneven surface of the fiberglass so other you will only find shadows of where they were originally attached
Looking at pictures or unrestored fastbacks I found them attached below the trunk latch striker or to the left of the other two larger decals. On convertibles they were often in the lower left section of the trunk lid when open fully
Thank you Jeff for the reply and early photos. Yes the car is a sportsroof GT 350. I was confused about the trunk decals as the jacking instructions decal is not on the car.
Now the car is an extremely low mileage car and had one respray 20 years ago.i don't know if the decal was taken off at that time or the other two replaced?
That is the only trunk picture I have as the car is in storage so not trying to play the guess what car this is on game.
I am questioning whether I should be placing the ECS jacking instruction decal now in the middle or just leave it alone.the two decals there are in beautiful condition.
Would that make sense to put the jacking decal above the safety act decal?
I am a newbie to this forum. It is unfortunate all of the old forum posts are gone. I guess by asking what probably seems to be the same old questions will build this forum back up slowly.
I saw your Shelby GT 350 posts on the Concours Mustang Forum and that car was a true work of art.
My thoughts are that these 1969!and 1970 cars are just being discovered by the young crowd and are about to become more popular as they are still affordable and the guys who remember them as children are able to purchase them.
For those newbies of us here now. We are all very accomplished at our own professions. I marvel and admire the dedication and attention to detail the Shelby veterans have here and appreciate the time you folks take with us.
Just trying to get it right to do justice to one of these lovely cars.
Now just tell me where to stick it :)
Thanks again,
Stubee
Why don't you try and post a picture of your car and where your stickers are currently located. May provide some clues to if they are original and such
Thanks for the kind words
Sorry Jeff,
It was the first one. That's the only picture of the inside of the trunk I have.
Here are a couple of car pics to go with it.
So I could place the jacking instructions on the left life of the trunk lid or center.
Alternatively if you felt they had been replaced already and incorrectly placed I could remove them and start over.
I wish I could provide a better photo. That's all I have right now.
Let me know your thought.
Stubee
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Can't post pics now:(...
Frustrating.
Stubee
Can see the ones posted in the first post and the one follow up.
For me I would apply the stickers as there likely were originally based on other unrestored cars from the period if you have no documentation of them being any different on your particular car.
Guess this likely means your going to be trying to carefully removing and replacing
Quote from: J_Speegle on February 26, 2018, 01:30:03 PM
Can see the ones posted in the first post and the one follow up.
For me I would apply the stickers as there likely were originally based on other unrestored cars from the period if you have no documentation of them being any different on your particular car.
Guess this likely means your going to be trying to carefully removing and replacing
To add , a heat gun (hair dryer if you are scared) carefully used will loosen the adhesive so the sticker comes off easily does not tear. If a original sticker it helps a little but not much.
Roger that Bob and Jeff.
I'm on it. A agree. They must have been replaced and put in their '"new position"
Hair dryer for me.. it is.
Thanks gentlemen.
Stubee
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Without any information about the car, when it was built, history or real build date can't really comment. Have hundreds of similar picture but would not post most.
Looks like it may have come from a ebay ad. Not where I look for research or help on restoration questions generally.
Standard acceptance threshold (to get out attention) has been three examples, unrestored, same plant, same time period
For Bob and Jeff to weigh in,
I finally got the picture thing working again.
Here is a May 1969 Dearborn build car that looks very much undisturbed. The glue stain from the space saver decal is just above the jacking Decal and the Shelby Motors Vehicle compliance sticker present. The wire look looks untouched as well along with the usual paint degradation.
Seems like the I might get away with just applying the jacking decal below the space saver decal.
Fire away,
Stubee
Quote from: Stubee on February 27, 2018, 07:20:20 PM
Seems like the I might get away with just applying the jacking decal below the space saver decal.
Not based IMHO on just a single example.
Not sure if "getting away" with a detail is a goal I would aim for in my work and or suggest for others. Sure others will differ :)
Your car - your call
Fair enough. Here is the link for more info:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Ford-Shelby-Cobra-GT500-/232680900400?_ul=CA
What caught my eye was the Dearborn May 1969 build. Let me get the day.
What caught my eye is a fair number of details that did not match (even though they never claim the car is an unrestored car) features you would expect to see on such a car.
To be honest I saw that too.the Glue stain for the Space saver looks pretty legit.
It is a May 25 build. Mine was two weeks before.
The Jacking Decal, if that is correct... looks like a bad hangover day at the plant.
Stubee
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From yours and Bobs comments and suggestions, I gather that the images above are the best guide.
How far left of these large stickers does the vehicle compliance sticker go and was it centred?
I have ordered all of the decals from ECS so I have the luxury of, "Getting it right".
Sorry for beating this one the death. The horse is getting flogged..
Stubee
I just saw your three plant threshold comment and Ebay research tip..right on for sure.
If you had a better resource location I would go there and take the time to look and educate.
Seems a lot of the Photobucket pics are all gone, the valuable forum info from the past lost unfortunately.
So these questions while painful, will slowly build the site for the new guys.
This is the one place where there are the folks like yourself with literally 10's of thousands of collective hours of lookingvover the details.
I might need some time to catch up. :)
Thanks Jeff for weighing in. Appreciated.
Stubee
Quote from: Stubee on February 27, 2018, 08:10:24 PM
I just saw your three plant threshold comment and Ebay research tip..right on for sure.
Not three plants but a minimum of three examples all from the same plant, time period, not messed with and equipped. Just something a number of us have agreed is a place to start - get our attention
Quote from: Stubee on February 27, 2018, 08:10:24 PMIf you had a better resource location I would go there and take the time to look and educate.
Seems a lot of the Photobucket pics are all gone, the valuable forum info from the past lost unfortunately.
So these questions while painful, will slowly build the site for the new guys.
This is the one place where there are the folks like yourself with literally 10's of thousands of collective hours of lookingvover the details.
No problem we understand than many others only have the resources they can get access to - often the internet which has proven itself to be an unreliable resource much of the time if fo no other reason the lack of history and information about a particular picture
Some of us have a fair collection of pictures spanning back decades so year the best option is posting and asking for best available.
Roger that,
Got it and it is helping out. I just want to proceed with caution to get some of the details back to where they were intended to be. Any more pics on the subject is appreciated and thank you for the assistance and your time.
Stubee
I think the location of trunk decals were similar, with the space saver bottle decal to the left and jack instruction to the right. I think this is the common theme here. To say every car had them placed perfectly in the same spot would take a lot of documentation on a very large number of original cars, just can't see it given what I've seen in the past and how they were glued on,..looked very rushed to me.
I have taken original 69 shelby trunk decals off my cars & sent them to ECS to have them made correctly back years ago) & they were brushed on yellow weatherstripping type glue on backsides & i figured a.o smith was having trouble getting the decals to stick to the rough grained fiberglass so they were brushing the trunk weatherstripping glue on decals after they brushed the trunklid weatherstripping glue on at same time. Fiberglass shelby trunk decals always look like they are falling off compared to smooth metal mustang trunk decals that stuck better to the flat surface. Look at the last blue shelby trunk photo & u can see leftover masking tape on the lh side that was used to hold the trunk light wire to decklid when it was painted.Also note the decklid latch bracket with the extra tab on one side only.
Given that the blue example is of a convertible the worker had allot more room to work with and choices. Yes they were done quickly and as Ed mentioned they apparently had allot of problems with them sticking right from the start so its not unusual to see spray adhesive used on some to improve /correct the problem though it still didn't do a great job in many examples
... I would think more a brushed on adhesive much like the weather strip glue they used.
Quote from: thefordshow on February 28, 2018, 02:15:36 PM
... I would think more a brushed on adhesive much like the weather strip glue they used.
Just what I've seen, have pictures of and such. Looks to be spray on the ones I've collected often applied in a circular or back and forth pattern like the headliner adhesive that they used
Have one example where it appears that the worker applied the additional adhesive to the back sides of the stickers rather than to the trunk lid
Wow,
Great info and insights on these decals. I picked up the Special ED inspired ECS Decals and will set out to make them "right".
This small one, if I understand, goes to the left of the two large ones as Jeff had indicated earlier as an option. Is it centered on the sportsroof trunklid? Seems like it might be a tight squeeze just below the trunk latch and above the space saver decal.
Many thanks,
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Here is a pic of 2060's deck lid. Notice they are already peeling on the corners just like the originals did. >:(
TOB
Thank you very much. I appreciate the picture
Looking forward to correcting this detail.
Stubee