No affiliation, and it looks like a cool car.
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/shelby/gt350/2346474.html#&gid=1&pid=6
Seller's Description: - Shelby No. 2148
- 1 of 35 with factory-installed supercharger
- Documented with a copy of the original Shelby invoice, Shelby order form, supercharger memo and Marti Report
- Completed May 11, 1967 and shipped to Robie Ford Sales in Dorchester, Massachusetts
- Professional restoration by Curt Vogt of Cobra Automotive in North Haven, Connecticut
- Paxton-supercharged 289/390 HP V-8
- Factory 4-speed transmission
- Center-mounted driving lights
- Power steering and front disc brakes
- Factory correct Nightmist Blue with Black décor interior
- Rechromed front and rear bumpers
- Correct red oxide primer floors
- Correct shocks, springs and sway bars
- Shelby 10-spoke wheels
- BF Goodrich radial tires
- Original wood steering wheel
- Fold down rear seat
- Manifold and supercharger pressure gauges
- Formerly owned by Shelby expert Tony Branda
- Only 3 Dark Blue Paxton GT350s are listed in the Shelby Registry
- Original owner's manual
It's being shown with hubcaps, but the listing says 10 spokes. Wouldn't a center light car be too early to have a PO with 10 spokes? I would think in this case the Deluxe wheels would be Magstars?
This car was for up for auction last year at Mecum showing 10-spokes.
Nice to see it with wheel covers now, as it is noted in the 2011 registry having them from the LAX factory.
10-spokes started appearing on some cars around late March 1967.
This car #2148 was completed 5/11/67. So it would have been possible to have them.
The center grille lights (with the later vertical grille have been found on cars built in this time frame.
It was probably not much later they were changed over to outboards. I'm sure others know more on that.
Neat piece
Hi Richstang actually the car was sold at Mecum in May 2016. I was the buyer. Spent about $30k making the car "right" correcting a bunch of details and sorting it mechanically. Sold it to a good friend who has now consigned it to Mecum. I don't know why they regurgitated the former auction text, I'll give him a heads up that it should be updated. I love these factory Paxton cars and this one is a stud! Plus it runs like it should, spent a lot of time dialing it in and it screams. -Colin
Very nice-esp. the caps. On that note, any thoughts on where I can find a set of 15x6 steel wheels for my own caps. Car came from SA w/ M-Stars per the Marti but I have a great driver set that I'd love to put on. Original s-wheels are all but impossible to find-so, just curious as to whether another vendor is mfg. them.
Jim Cowles has a guy who I think could make some damn close 15x6 wheels for a 67. And Jim has the correct hubcap lug nuts.
Quote from: Richstang on November 24, 2019, 12:22:20 PM
This car was for up for auction last year at Mecum showing 10-spokes.
Nice to see it with wheel covers now, as it is noted in the 2011 registry having them from the LAX factory.
10-spokes started appearing on some cars around late March 1967.
This car #2148 was completed 5/11/67. So it would have been possible to have them.
The center grille lights (with the later vertical grille have been found on cars built in this time frame.
It was probably not much later they were changed over to outboards. I'm sure others know more on that.
It was typical for the 1967 SA factory built Paxton cars to receive the inboard center lights. The inboards were used so the air inlet that was cut into the radiator support could easily feed air to the air cleaner canister. The outboard lights would restrict air to the opening.
Quote from: George Schalk on November 25, 2019, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: Richstang on November 24, 2019, 12:22:20 PM
This car was for up for auction last year at Mecum showing 10-spokes.
Nice to see it with wheel covers now, as it is noted in the 2011 registry having them from the LAX factory.
10-spokes started appearing on some cars around late March 1967.
This car #2148 was completed 5/11/67. So it would have been possible to have them.
The center grille lights (with the later vertical grille have been found on cars built in this time frame.
It was probably not much later they were changed over to outboards. I'm sure others know more on that.
It was typical for the 1967 SA factory built Paxton cars to receive the inboard center lights. The inboards were used so the air inlet that was cut into the radiator support could easily feed air to the air cleaner canister. The outboard lights would restrict air to the opening.
2354 is outboard lights from day 1
I believe #2354 (completed 5/25/67) was the only factory built Paxton car with the outboards.
No others have appeared to date and I don't expect to see another with outboards.
Supercharger gauges?
Am I missing something in one of the pictures?
Quote from: Harris Speedster on November 25, 2019, 04:32:57 PM
Supercharger gauges?
Am I missing something in one of the pictures?
Not all factory installed Paxton cars got the gauges. 2354 did not have Paxton gauges.
Quote from: Sixx7shelby on November 25, 2019, 04:55:00 PM
Not all factory installed Paxton cars got the gauges. 2354 did not have Paxton gauges.
+1 they were extra charge in addition to the supercharger uint
Quote from: Harris Speedster on November 25, 2019, 04:32:57 PM
Supercharger gauges?
Am I missing something in one of the pictures?
I believe Harris is speaking about the auction ad for car #2148. It describes the car as having the Paxton gauges, but they are not pictured in the ad.
There wasn't a whole lot of real estate to mount the Paxton gauges on a '67 Shelby.
Really cool car, especially the color. And the wheel covers just make it. My favorite year/model of Shelby by far.
Here's a link to it on Mecum rather than HMN- different description (at least currently)
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0120-397046/1967-shelby-gt350-fastback/
I don't see the gauges either, don't recall if it had them when I owned it or if Mecum just assumed it does. I'll ask the owner.
Great looking car, very cool with factory Paxton. However, pardon the nitpick, it looks like the GT350 rocker stripes are not located properly relative to the door.
Quote from: 6T6/7 on November 26, 2019, 08:37:21 PM
Great looking car, very cool with factory Paxton. However, pardon the nitpick, it looks like the GT350 rocker stripes are not located properly relative to the door.
I saw that, but at least they should have been consistent for the left and right side.
The person who striped that should be ashamed of himself.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on November 26, 2019, 11:56:46 PM
The person who striped that should be ashamed of himself.
Yup, but he got an A from his shop teacher.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on November 26, 2019, 11:56:46 PM
The person who striped that should be ashamed of himself.
Bob that person would be Curt Vogt who striped it in 1996!
Quote from: csx289 on December 01, 2019, 11:32:07 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on November 26, 2019, 11:56:46 PM
The person who striped that should be ashamed of himself.
Bob that person would be Curt Vogt who striped it in 1996!
Quote from: csx289 on November 25, 2019, 09:59:15 AM
" I was the buyer. Spent about $30k making the car "right" correcting a bunch of details and sorting it mechanically."
A lot can happen from 1996 until now . I wouldn't be so quick to throw him under the bus . I suppose you didn't know any better ether given you spent 30K on a bunch of details yet you missed this highly visible one. I suppose you should be ashamed too then.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on November 26, 2019, 11:56:46 PM
The person who striped that should be ashamed of himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QhlIGFb71A
Hi Bob,
Actually as somebody who has owned the car and reviewed its entire history file, spoken to owners, etc. yes I am aware a lot can happen in 23 years. However in this case I can assure you the paint and stripes were done at Cobra Automotive when it was restored. As we all know 23 years is a long time in the continual growth of knowledge on these cars as well as the availability of correct restoration parts as well. This isn't the only '67 that was restored a long time ago and has 65/66 style stripes on it. Wasn't throwing the old Sasquatch hunter under the bus just stating a fact- they did the paint and stripes many moons ago. It is what it is.
Now, since you brought up who should be ashamed I'm not. This is a great old car and as I stated in my post I spent a lot of time and yes a fair amount of money correcting and sorting a bunch of MECHANICAL details as noted in my original post. I have a lot of experience with making Paxton cars run right, in fact one of my discoveries after much dyno time with a see-through carb bonnet I made, as well as tons of road tuning with dual wideband O2 sensors and EGT probes on my Paxton SC '65, was to incorporate a marine spark arrestor on the carb to prevent the "tornado in a telephone booth" from pulling fuel out of the bowl vents. This one mod is so incredibly effective you can typically pull 5-10 jet sizes out and get the car to run spot on A/F ratios. I shared this info with Craig Conley including the mfr and part # for these arrestors and now he considers it a mandatory addition and includes them with his Paxton kits as I understand it. Anyway on top of this on 2148 I fixed a number of things from a cam that was simply wrong for a boosted application, not only bleeding boost but also needing an electric vacuum pump for the power brakes, aftermarket headers, a "hot rod" exhaust, Hurst shifter, aftermarket 10 spokes, and on and on. So yeah $30k goes by in a blink with stuff like a $5k Scott Fuller concours exhaust and correct '67 manifolds, a rebuilt OE shifter from Jim Cowles, wheels, hubcaps, Polyglas tires, and then going through the engine, trans, brakes, fuel system, suspension etc to make it all work like it should. Oh, I did paint the inside of the trunk as it wasn't finished to my standards and had the original wood steering wheel restored by the same fellow who does them for Bill Kemper's Cobras and others. I also re-did the instrument cluster and detailed the dash to make it nice and crisp.
That said the paint done by Cobra was still excellent, a lot of the interior was still original and really great, and cosmetically the car was super nice so yeah I saw no reason to pull off the side stripes and risk screwing up the paint or having a shadow visible. Simply didn't bother me that much as the car just looks killer as it is. The crappy repop wheels, Radial T/As and fast n' furious exhaust though- all that had to go immediately!
I've never been a die hard concours correct guy as I like good old cars with good bones that run and drive like they should. Or better. Don't get me wrong I appreciate your and others dedication to picture perfect cars that get pushed on and off of trailers just to get rolled into or out of a show, or maybe putter along over a concours lawn, but I'm a driver first and foremost. I get my pleasure from hopping in these cars and driving them hard on the back roads to Road America, a cruise night, or an early Sunday morning blast to feel what it was like when they were new and step back in time. Not one of these cars rolled out of SA as perfect as some like them to be now and I'm not bothered by a GT350 callout that has an extra 2" of white vinyl stripe next to it that shouldn't be there.
So, ashamed I am not. 2148 came into my life as something that wasn't fun to drive and didn't live up to the legend. But it left as something that was all of that and more. My buddy, who has owned it for the past 3 years, has enjoyed that just as much as I have and I'm sure the next owner will too. 2148 is a great car and in the world of 1965-1967 cars a factory Paxton car is hard to beat IMO, especially one that rips like this one does!
Hope this helps explain things a bit.
Wishing you all the best and a very Merry Christmas, Bob.
Colin
Quote from: csx289 on December 01, 2019, 02:54:25 PM
Hi Bob,
Actually as somebody who has owned the car and reviewed its entire history file, spoken to owners, etc. yes I am aware a lot can happen in 23 years. However in this case I can assure you the paint and stripes were done at Cobra Automotive when it was restored. As we all know 23 years is a long time in the continual growth of knowledge on these cars as well as the availability of correct restoration parts as well. This isn't the only '67 that was restored a long time ago and has 65/66 style stripes on it. Wasn't throwing the old Sasquatch hunter under the bus just stating a fact- they did the paint and stripes many moons ago. It is what it is.
Now, since you brought up who should be ashamed I'm not. This is a great old car and as I stated in my post I spent a lot of time and yes a fair amount of money correcting and sorting a bunch of MECHANICAL details as noted in my original post. I have a lot of experience with making Paxton cars run right, in fact one of my discoveries after much dyno time with a see-through carb bonnet I made, as well as tons of road tuning with dual wideband O2 sensors and EGT probes on my Paxton SC '65, was to incorporate a marine spark arrestor on the carb to prevent the "tornado in a telephone booth" from pulling fuel out of the bowl vents. This one mod is so incredibly effective you can typically pull 5-10 jet sizes out and get the car to run spot on A/F ratios. I shared this info with Craig Conley including the mfr and part # for these arrestors and now he considers it a mandatory addition and includes them with his Paxton kits as I understand it. Anyway on top of this on 2148 I fixed a number of things from a cam that was simply wrong for a boosted application, not only bleeding boost but also needing an electric vacuum pump for the power brakes, aftermarket headers, a "hot rod" exhaust, Hurst shifter, aftermarket 10 spokes, and on and on. So yeah $30k goes by in a blink with stuff like a $5k Scott Fuller concours exhaust and correct '67 manifolds, a rebuilt OE shifter from Jim Cowles, wheels, hubcaps, Polyglas tires, and then going through the engine, trans, brakes, fuel system, suspension etc to make it all work like it should. Oh, I did paint the inside of the trunk as it wasn't finished to my standards and had the original wood steering wheel restored by the same fellow who does them for Bill Kemper's Cobras and others. I also re-did the instrument cluster and detailed the dash to make it nice and crisp.
That said the paint done by Cobra was still excellent, a lot of the interior was still original and really great, and cosmetically the car was super nice so yeah I saw no reason to pull off the side stripes and risk screwing up the paint or having a shadow visible. Simply didn't bother me that much as the car just looks killer as it is. The crappy repop wheels, Radial T/As and fast n' furious exhaust though- all that had to go immediately!
I've never been a die hard concours correct guy as I like good old cars with good bones that run and drive like they should. Or better. Don't get me wrong I appreciate your and others dedication to picture perfect cars that get pushed on and off of trailers just to get rolled into or out of a show, or maybe putter along over a concours lawn, but I'm a driver first and foremost. I get my pleasure from hopping in these cars and driving them hard on the back roads to Road America, a cruise night, or an early Sunday morning blast to feel what it was like when they were new and step back in time. Not one of these cars rolled out of SA as perfect as some like them to be now and I'm not bothered by a GT350 callout that has an extra 2" of white vinyl stripe next to it that shouldn't be there.
So, ashamed I am not. 2148 came into my life as something that wasn't fun to drive and didn't live up to the legend. But it left as something that was all of that and more. My buddy, who has owned it for the past 3 years, has enjoyed that just as much as I have and I'm sure the next owner will too. 2148 is a great car and in the world of 1965-1967 cars a factory Paxton car is hard to beat IMO, especially one that rips like this one does!
Hope this helps explain things a bit.
Wishing you all the best and a very Merry Christmas, Bob.
Colin
Colin, there is no debating the car is rare and from appearances a nice looking car. At the risk of rubbing salt in the wound the issue of my statement was in part that the stripes were done like a 68 not a 65 /66 like you apparently are under the impression that they are. Striping a 67 Shelby like a 68 is a common mistake. Most 67 Shelby owners know the difference. Mainly the ashamed part had to do with the mistake of the 68 style center stripe on the fender being substantially longer on one side compared to the other. That would bug me. If you say you were too scared too fix it rather then missed it completely when doing all of your fixes I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Removing vinyl stripes is typically a doable straight forward fix for others especially if the same size stripe is going back in place. I know I would have to fix it regardless of what it took if I owned the car even for a short time . But that is just me . I wasn't referring to anything else in your long list just the stripe like I said. Thank you for the well wishes. Bob
Like Bob said, having '68 stripe on a '67 is a really common event. It was like that on no. 83 when I bought it. Not hard at all to fix, and it only means having to remove the fender portion (obviously), someone on this forum had recommended Rapid Remover Advesive Remover.
https://www.amazon.com/Remover-Sprayer-Adhesive-Graphics-Stripes/dp/B01MSFD50H/ref=asc_df_B01MSFD50H/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309777800852&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15054466560492577900&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9009619&hvtargid=pla-569362260161&psc=1
Best money I ever spent, zero effort.
Its the most obvious cheaper and easier fixes that you overlook sometimes... Wonder if it has the correct fan blade on alternator? ;)
Some of you will get that joke!! lol
chris
Mecum Indy May 2016
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0516-243307/1967-shelby-gt350-fastback/
CSX289, I LOVED your reply to Bob Gaines. Very well stated. Thank you.
I've never been a die hard concours correct guy as I like good old cars with good bones that run and drive like they should. Or better. Don't get me wrong I appreciate your and others dedication to picture perfect cars that get pushed on and off of trailers just to get rolled into or out of a show, or maybe putter along over a concours lawn, but I'm a driver first and foremost. I get my pleasure from hopping in these cars and driving them hard on the back roads to Road America, a cruise night, or an early Sunday morning blast to feel what it was like when they were new and step back in time. Not one of these cars rolled out of SA as perfect as some like them to be now and I'm not bothered by a GT350 callout that has an extra 2" of white vinyl stripe next to it that shouldn't be there.
I think the whole point is that it would not have been too hard or take much time to fix before presenting the car for sale. Especially if one expects to get top dollar. Unfortunately it makes one wonder what else may be incorrect.
That being said...it is still a bucket list car!
Jon
2148 just sold for 440K!
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0120-397046/1967-shelby-gt350-fastback/
Mike
I can think of 400,000 reasons Colin's choices look wonderful.
Colin if you need help carrying that money to the bank, call me
Does anyone know what the window sticker price from the dealer when it sold when new ? $_____
OR, do we know the delivery price on the car from Shelby to the dealer? $ ______
Curious to know how much Shelby added to the invoice. $_____
BTW, I have never seen a chromed air cleaner, we have three originals here,
>> " Not picking on the car whatsoever", just curious if anyone else has a chrome one?
or pictures of another known paxton car with a chrome air cleaner>
Respectfully,
John
I have no idea of the authenticity of this window sticker - snapped this photo at a car show in NJ years ago.
Also not sure what car this was - it was a Nightmist Blue GT350.
This was on a Paxton equipped '67 that was on display there.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-110120091300.jpeg)
67 invoice
Obviously the side stripe is incorrect but ashamed is a pretty strong word given the fact that so many cars have so many incorrect details.
I agree that Colin has to be happy with the results and that's really all that matters and the fact that the new owner is happy with it
Quote from: TLea on January 11, 2020, 11:01:30 AM
Obviously the side stripe is incorrect but ashamed is a pretty strong word given the fact that so many cars have so many incorrect details.
I agree that Colin has to be happy with the results and that's really all that matters and the fact that the new owner is happy with it
If it were mine, I would be embarrassed, not ashamed.
The side stripe is just so part of the outward characteristic of a '67 it's difficult to believe a restorer wouldn't know that.
It's like a Mylar stripe on a '65.
Quote from: TLea on January 11, 2020, 11:01:30 AM
Obviously the side stripe is incorrect but ashamed is a pretty strong word given the fact that so many cars have so many incorrect details.
I agree that Colin has to be happy with the results and that's really all that matters and the fact that the new owner is happy with it
In retrospect ashamed may have been too harsh . Embarrassed for not knowing better would have been more measured. It doesn't matter for the seller at this point as I am sure he is very happy with the results and it is typically a easy fix for a buyer who wants it historical correct.
Hey I know better and once entered a car into judging with fog lamp lens installed upside down lol. Sometimes we don't see the forest through the trees.
Quote from: TLea on January 11, 2020, 12:27:24 PM
Hey I know better and once entered a car into judging with fog lamp lens installed upside down lol. Sometimes we don't see the forest through the trees.
Well who can tell which way is up unless you can read the Chinese lettering on them?
shelbydoug,
Are there any prices on the invoice?
Supercharger notation is good, but I Wonder what the price was?
John
Just slide it over, the picture is moveable
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 11, 2020, 01:36:59 PM
Well who can tell which way is up unless you can read the Chinese lettering on them?
French
$479.00
Makes a difference now of about $200,000.
That is really something.
Thanks guys,
John
If you enlarged the scan, slide it to the right to see the prices. $479 is the supercharger.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on November 26, 2019, 11:56:46 PM
The person who striped that should be ashamed of himself.
Yup
Tim, Pete, Bob G, etc- I feel like I need to clarify one important aspect re this sale. This was NOT my car nor owned by me. I previously owned it and sold it in 2016. I simply commented on the thread because of my background on the car.
My friend that I sold it to (from Rochester NY) planned to be at the sale but his mom is gravely ill so I offered to rep the car on the block for him. He told me to do whatever I thought was the right choice re. the reserve. As you can see from the Mecum broadcast I pulled the reserve at 320k. The gentleman who bought it also bought the gold 68 EFI car (#56 if my memory is correct Pete?) for $300k hammer. So clearly he has a thing for Paxton cars even though I don't know if it was ever decided that the '68 had one originally?
So, while I appreciate the offers to help me carry the cash from the '67 Paxton sale it will be delivered directly to NY and not to me! ;D
And, I stand by my statement that this was an older resto painted and striped by Curt Vogt/ Cobra Automotive in 1996 or so. Tony Branda's son was posting pics of it during restoration on Facebook last week in Curt's shop showing the same stripes on it then. Today, and in 2016 when I owned it, the car has a nice even patina to it and since I enjoy driving and not car shows I never saw the need to change anything with its appearance other than to take off the hideous reproduction 10-spokes and old Radial T/A tires and put on the correct wheels, caps, and small-letter Goodyears.
I hope the new owner enjoys it, she has a healthy engine and I sorted the mechanicals really thoroughly so the car is quite fun to drive!
-Colin
So, I cant help you carry the money to the bank?
;)
Quote from: Coralsnake on January 13, 2020, 12:18:55 PM
So, I cant help you carry the money to the bank?
;)
If you sell me a Conolec system for 0006 I will help YOU carry YOUR money to the bank Pete!!