Love the options on this one but what do you think about the description "mostly original body & drivetrain parts " & "title exempt" i looked it up in "97" registry & it says it was raced with a 427 but ad claims original motor any other info out there on this one thanks.
Lot #1427 - Beautiful, original 1967 Shelby GT500. This car is equipped with mostly original body and drivetrain parts with minimal touchup to the paint. Still retaining its original 428ci Police Interceptor engine, 4-speed transmission and Traction-Lok rear end. Amazingly, this car only has less than 30,000 original miles (title reads exempt), as verified by the SAAC. Owned by the previous owner for over 22 years and the current owner for 9 years, it has been well-kept in climate-controlled warehouses for the past 31 years. One of 64 produced in this paint and trim package. The original Shelby Owner's Manual and a Marti Report is included to document this magnificent car, which is listed in the Shelby American World Registry.
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1967-SHELBY-GT500-237768
Yes, very sharp looking car with the parchment interior, although that one looks like it needs to be cleaned up a bit. Here is a sister car (660) that my friend restored years ago in the same combo. I think it has a great look in DMG/Parchment.
https://imageshack.com/a/0ZNM/1
I recently conversed with the prior owner. He stated "the car did not have it's original motor during my ownership".
Anyone still surprised at BJ's decscription?
Thanks any mention of the title saying exempt & wtf does that mean anyway i wonder
Quote from: Hockeylife on December 29, 2019, 02:31:04 PM
I recently conversed with the prior owner. He stated "the car did not have it's original motor during my ownership".
Anyone still surprised at BJ's decscription?
well come 1st of Feb when new owner gets the car someone will have to do some splaining......
I know some states don't issue titles on cars that are older then a certain age. If the buyer lives in a state that does require titles then I suppose it is up to the buyer to straighten that issue out. That sucks.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 29, 2019, 04:52:03 PM
I know some states don't issue titles on cars that are older then a certain age. If the buyer lives in a state that does require titles then I suppose it is up to the buyer to straighten that issue out. That sucks.
Yes, the requirements are typically outlined and the seller should be willing to provide help with the documents.
All states are different, but a buddy went through this (Georgia car to Ohio). He had to have a bill of sale, copy of the registration (the car was being used therefore licensed) proof that is was insured and of course an inspection in the new state (just looked for the manufacturers' VIN number in the correct place).
The seller was cooperative and it all went easy for him. Other states or title bureau offices may not be so easy.
I read the ad copy to likely mean the title says "exempt" where the mileage is usually indicated. This is the case for all title transfers in MN when the vehicles are over 20 years old.
Most states issue titles that list the mileage as exempt when it comes to cars that exceed a certain age. They do in Ca and they do here in Texas and NY.
-Keith
Quote from: JD on December 29, 2019, 08:25:52 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 29, 2019, 04:52:03 PM
I know some states don't issue titles on cars that are older then a certain age. If the buyer lives in a state that does require titles then I suppose it is up to the buyer to straighten that issue out. That sucks.
Yes, the requirements are typically outlined and the seller should be willing to provide help with the documents.
All states are different, but a buddy went through this (Georgia car to Ohio). He had to have a bill of sale, copy of the registration (the car was being used therefore licensed) proof that is was insured and of course an inspection in the new state (just looked for the manufacturers' VIN number in the correct place).
The seller was cooperative and it all went easy for him. Other states or title bureau offices may not be so easy.
FYI.......Georgia will now issue a CONDITIONAL title on cars older then 1963....which they used not too for 20 bucks.....just got 2 myself...
The title is same as reg Ga title but says 'Conditional' on front.....don't know what it means but hey better then just a bill of sale...
Quote from: 1967 eight barrel on January 02, 2020, 02:38:56 AM
Most states issue titles that list the mileage as exempt when it comes to cars the exceed a certain age. They do in Ca and they do here in Texas and NY.
-Keith
In California, in some instances you CAN get an actual mileage title on old cars...
I am from CA. I left after 36 years. There were no actual mileage titles on anything 35 years or older. Post the event of mandatory inspection/smog they may be available for some vehicles.
If you are truly interested in bidding on the car PM me. As it was in our garage for those 22 years..... however i'm not interested in fielding questions in the public forum.
Thanks
Jeff
Quote from: 1967 eight barrel on January 03, 2020, 01:23:19 AM
I am from CA. I left after 36 years. There were no actual mileage titles on anything 35 years or older. Post the event of mandatory inspection/smog they may be available for some vehicles.
I was born in California and have lived in California for 45 years... AND YES I have actual mileage titles on most of my old cars... All depends on your documentation and your "help at dmv"
I always say buy the car, not the story. From the pictures it appears the engine compartment has undergone a fairly thorough restoration with lots of reproduction items visible. Maybe the 31,000 miles were done 1/4 mile at a time? If the car sells at the right price for what it is, how much of the story is going to be important to you?
Quote from: 68krrrr on December 29, 2019, 02:10:25 PM
Love the options on this one but what do you think about the description "mostly original body & drivetrain parts " & "title exempt" i looked it up in "97" registry & it says it was raced with a 427 but ad claims original motor any other info out there on this one thanks.
Lot #1427 - Beautiful, original 1967 Shelby GT500. This car is equipped with mostly original body and drivetrain parts with minimal touchup to the paint. Still retaining its original 428ci Police Interceptor engine, 4-speed transmission and Traction-Lok rear end. Amazingly, this car only has less than 30,000 original miles (title reads exempt), as verified by the SAAC. Owned by the previous owner for over 22 years and the current owner for 9 years, it has been well-kept in climate-controlled warehouses for the past 31 years. One of 64 produced in this paint and trim package. The original Shelby Owner's Manual and a Marti Report is included to document this magnificent car, which is listed in the Shelby American World Registry.
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1967-SHELBY-GT500-237768
Quote from: Hockeylife on December 29, 2019, 02:31:04 PMAnyone still surprised at BJ's decscription?
They print the story they are given. I'm sure if you read the fine print in their catalog and or bidding/sales documents there is a clause that all claims are made by the seller and BJ accepts no liability as to accuracy. Otherwise they would get sued on most cars they sell.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 04, 2020, 01:11:47 AM
Quote from: Hockeylife on December 29, 2019, 02:31:04 PMAnyone still surprised at BJ's decscription?
They print the story they are given. I'm sure if you read the fine print in their catalog and or bidding/sales documents there is a clause that all claims are made by the seller and BJ accepts no liability as to accuracy. Otherwise they would get sued on most cars they sell.
+1
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 04, 2020, 01:11:47 AM
Quote from: Hockeylife on December 29, 2019, 02:31:04 PMAnyone still surprised at BJ's decscription?
They print the story they are given. I'm sure if you read the fine print in their catalog and or bidding/sales documents there is a clause that all claims are made by the seller and BJ accepts no liability as to accuracy. Otherwise they would get sued on most cars they sell.
That's why I find it hard to understand the allure of buying an expensive car at auction. You're potentially up against a seller submitting a bunch of bullshit about the car or you are up against reserves and bidding against shill bidders or you could be bidding against the house so that they can run up the bid in order to meet a reserve.
There are many pitfalls about buying at auction and it's not for the faint of heart.
I realize there are upsides to buying at auction but I would never make an expensive purchase at auction unless I had an in depth knowledge of the car, owner and history if I was interested in purchasing said car.
As they say "buyer beware".
QSS
Quote from: SBCARGUY on January 03, 2020, 03:00:10 PM
Quote from: 1967 eight barrel on January 03, 2020, 01:23:19 AM
I am from CA. I left after 36 years. There were no actual mileage titles on anything 35 years or older. Post the event of mandatory inspection/smog they may be available for some vehicles.
I was born in California and have lived in California for 45 years... AND YES I have actual mileage titles on most of my old cars... All depends on your documentation and your "help at dmv"
I won't bother elaborating being I was med retired from the CHP thanks to a drunk illegal with two priors. If you want me to explain fact to you, feel free to PM me.
-Keith
Quote from: 68krrrr on December 29, 2019, 02:10:25 PM
Love the options on this one but what do you think about the description "mostly original body & drivetrain parts " & "title exempt" i looked it up in "97" registry & it says it was raced with a 427 but ad claims original motor any other info out there on this one thanks.
Lot #1427 - Beautiful, original 1967 Shelby GT500. This car is equipped with mostly original body and drivetrain parts with minimal touchup to the paint. Still retaining its original 428ci Police Interceptor engine, 4-speed transmission and Traction-Lok rear end. Amazingly, this car only has less than 30,000 original miles (title reads exempt), as verified by the SAAC. Owned by the previous owner for over 22 years and the current owner for 9 years, it has been well-kept in climate-controlled warehouses for the past 31 years. One of 64 produced in this paint and trim package. The original Shelby Owner's Manual and a Marti Report is included to document this magnificent car, which is listed in the Shelby American World Registry.
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1967-SHELBY-GT500-237768
New description with not so subtle changes:
Lot #1427 - Beautiful, original 1967 Shelby GT500. It's powered by a 428ci V8 Police Interceptor engine paired with a matching-numbers 4-speed manual transmission and Traction-Lok rear end. Amazingly, this car only has less than 30,000 original miles (title reads exempt), as verified by the SAAC. Owned by the previous owner for over 22 years and the current owner for 9 years, it has been well-kept in climate-controlled warehouses for the past 31 years. One of 64 produced in this paint and trim package. The original Shelby Owner's Manual and a Marti Report is included to document this magnificent car, which is listed in the Shelby American World Registry.
Quote from: Hockeylife on January 12, 2020, 12:59:27 PM
Quote from: 68krrrr on December 29, 2019, 02:10:25 PM
Love the options on this one but what do you think about the description "mostly original body & drivetrain parts " & "title exempt" i looked it up in "97" registry & it says it was raced with a 427 but ad claims original motor any other info out there on this one thanks.
Lot #1427 - Beautiful, original 1967 Shelby GT500. This car is equipped with mostly original body and drivetrain parts with minimal touchup to the paint. Still retaining its original 428ci Police Interceptor engine, 4-speed transmission and Traction-Lok rear end. Amazingly, this car only has less than 30,000 original miles (title reads exempt), as verified by the SAAC. Owned by the previous owner for over 22 years and the current owner for 9 years, it has been well-kept in climate-controlled warehouses for the past 31 years. One of 64 produce ;)d in this paint and trim package. The original Shelby Owner's Manual and a Marti Report is included to document this magnificent car, which is listed in the Shelby American World Registry.
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1967-SHELBY-GT500-237768
New description with not so subtle changes:
Lot #1427 - Beautiful, original 1967 Shelby GT500. It's powered by a 428ci V8 Police Interceptor engine paired with a matching-numbers 4-speed manual transmission and Traction-Lok rear end. Amazingly, this car only has less than 30,000 original miles (title reads exempt), as verified by the SAAC. Owned by the previous owner for over 22 years and the current owner for 9 years, it has been well-kept in climate-controlled warehouses for the past 31 years. One of 64 produced in this paint and trim package. The original Shelby Owner's Manual and a Marti Report is included to document this magnificent car, which is listed in the Shelby American World Registry.
FYI one of the BJ Ford car scrutineers for the auction company regularly visits this forum . I imagine anything about BJ gets his attention. ;)
GM ford and mopar inspectors have been busy all week inspecting cars as they come in at BJ.
[/quote]FYI one of the BJ Ford car scrutineers for the auction company regularly visits this forum . I imagine anything about BJ gets his attention. ;)
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What exactly does a BJ Ford car scrutinizer for the auction company do and who does he work for?
(They) keep their eyes and ears open, and report to CRAIG directly!
Quote from: ITHERTZ on January 12, 2020, 06:33:03 PM
FYI one of the BJ Ford car scrutineers for the auction company regularly visits this forum . I imagine anything about BJ gets his attention. ;)
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What exactly does a BJ Ford car scrutinizer for the auction company do and who does he work for?
[/quote]They inspect cars for vin issues , rebodies,accuracy of descriptions etc. as far as I am aware. There may be other responsibilities. They work for BJ company. BJ doesn't want to have any problems with buyers after the fact would my take. I have heard of some upset sellers when they found out that their car would not pass scrutiny .
Thats a good thing at least there actually checking the cars a little bit.
What a mess. Non-Ford radiator, single sheave alternator, incorrect power steering pump to head spacer, power steering pulley....
Just the items noted with a quick visual inspection.
-Keith
Hammered at $190k it was a nice looking car I went in up to $180k
Anyone on this site buy it?
I guess it's on par with the restored one at RM that sold for $200 hammer. I prefer the original ones
Quote from: sfm5s081 on January 20, 2020, 06:41:42 PM
I guess it's on par with the restored one at RM that sold for $200 hammer. I prefer the original ones
A difference of the RM car, #3114, as explained to me, was that #3114 had its original engine. But, who knows?
Quote from: Hockeylife on January 20, 2020, 10:42:57 PM
Quote from: sfm5s081 on January 20, 2020, 06:41:42 PM
I guess it's on par with the restored one at RM that sold for $200 hammer. I prefer the original ones
A difference of the RM car, #3114, as explained to me, was that #3114 had its original engine. But, who knows?
Since 428 engines were not stamped in 1967, I would imagine having an original engine would have to have a lot of corroborating documentation.
Quote from: 2112 on January 21, 2020, 12:14:03 AM
Quote from: Hockeylife on January 20, 2020, 10:42:57 PM
Quote from: sfm5s081 on January 20, 2020, 06:41:42 PM
I guess it's on par with the restored one at RM that sold for $200 hammer. I prefer the original ones
A difference of the RM car, #3114, as explained to me, was that #3114 had its original engine. But, who knows?
Since 428 engines were not stamped in 1967, I would imagine having an original engine would have to have a lot of corroborating documentation.
With all of the BS documentation I have seen at auctions to me the most important things are to have appropriate date codes and casting numbers . The value of corroborating documentation can be seen as meaningless or a BS justification if the dates codes and casting numbers are not consistent . Of course that is in regards to a stock 67 GT 500 engine. A red flag should be raised any time a so called "factory " or "dealer installed " 427 engine is added to the mix ;) .
Agreed, but even with correct date codes, in this instance ('67 GT500s) claiming an original engine is really just that. A claim.
I am sure there are cars with original engines and I am also sure there are cars which don't have original engines, but the dates are correct.
So, In my opinion. The value adder is having the date codes correct. End of story. (IMO)