Glad to see Chuck is doing well and getting some attention.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=1967+shelby&qft=+filterui%3avideoage-lt10080&view=detail&mid=1A59BC1119C2A4B73EE41A59BC1119C2A4B73EE4&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3F%26q%3D1967%2Bshelby%26qft%3D%2Bfilterui%3Avideoage-lt10080%26FORM%3DVDVVXX
Would anyone happen to know the Shelby VIN of the Brittany Blue GT500 in the video with the CA plate '550 MTE'?
It looks like a mid year build from what we can see with the raised taillight panel, valance trim, and vertical inboard grille lights.
This old photo show it with 10-spokes vs today with the Magstars
"Somebody can rebuild me there." Great line at the end.
Very cool, thanks for sharing.
Great to have his remembrances of how it was - Thanks to all that made this video happen, especially Mr. McHose!!
Very cool to get this interview. Pretty GT350 too.
Really great to see. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Rich, another great find 8) thanks for posting ! interesting what he says at the start about the prototype steel body being
bent, and that being the reason the hood fit was bad.
Mike
I didn't realize that Shelby was the one to make the request that the nose of the car be longer.
That alone is my favorite of all the '67 body upgrades. Up to this point I thought that was entirely McHose's' call.
I hadn't seen the video before. Thank you for posting this.
I saw this article with some great photos a couple days ago too: https://driveline-mag.com/2020/01/13/a-legend-the-designer-behind-the-1967-g-t-500/?fbclid=IwAR0yZ2uQX6h51NfBJJpEEKlxxX5f_kQuA-F0yTrGysWcXtXskwek8_ihVCw (https://driveline-mag.com/2020/01/13/a-legend-the-designer-behind-the-1967-g-t-500/?fbclid=IwAR0yZ2uQX6h51NfBJJpEEKlxxX5f_kQuA-F0yTrGysWcXtXskwek8_ihVCw)
Great interview!
That's just wonderful - thanks for posting Richstang.
While I do find the "this is the correct clamp for this and the correct finish for that" stuff interesting, my interest in these vehicles lies mostly on the creative side of things.
The original concepts and designs and sketches, engineering and technical illustrations, marketing and advertising, etc.
Heartwarming to see Mr. McHose get the attention he deserves.
- Phillip
Quote from: silverton_ford on January 15, 2020, 01:27:57 AM
I hadn't seen the video before. Thank you for posting this.
I saw this article with some great photos a couple days ago too: https://driveline-mag.com/2020/01/13/a-legend-the-designer-behind-the-1967-g-t-500/?fbclid=IwAR0yZ2uQX6h51NfBJJpEEKlxxX5f_kQuA-F0yTrGysWcXtXskwek8_ihVCw (https://driveline-mag.com/2020/01/13/a-legend-the-designer-behind-the-1967-g-t-500/?fbclid=IwAR0yZ2uQX6h51NfBJJpEEKlxxX5f_kQuA-F0yTrGysWcXtXskwek8_ihVCw)
Thank you, great information and pictures there too.
Is that the entire interview? Was it edited down?
I was wondering if he said anything about the brake scoops in a larger interview?
I remember reading something about the original Mustang design with wind tunnel testing. I'm pretty sure that the reason that there is a indent in the sheet metal on the sides culminating in front of the rear wheels is that wind tunnel testing showed that with the rear tire in motion air was drawn in to the wheel well at that point. It wasn't just a designers whim?
That info MIGHT be from the GT40 program? Ford had a wind tunnel in the UK at the time and there were some early studies done of the then Lola GT.
This was like '62 or '63 when the car was mostly still in clay.
I do know that Detomaso determined that the rear tires in motion drew cold air in from the front of the wheel well. They used that information to locate the oil cooler for the race models.
Considering that Detomaso initially was just essentially an Mom & Pop operation, I suspect that information came from one of the Ford engineers assigned to Detomaso to fix some of the small problems?
The fact that the "Mustangers" wouldn't know what the "Pantera'rs" were doing is no surprise to me. I think that is more the rule of thumb of reality then not at the time.
I still see that today with the Pantera people especially from the European group.
Even the engineering data transferred to the front suspension of the Pantera is directly lifted from the '65 Mustang and just executed by the Euro suppliers in metric dimensions.
For instance, front wheel bearings interchange. Front disc rotor diameters are the same. The Girling calipers are the European equivelent of the 65 Mu stand calipers.
...and why would Mustangers know anything about the crossovers from the GT40 program. Oil and vinegar don't mix...right?
I don't know if they used the same Mustang mule to model the '68 fiberglass with but Kopec mentioned years ago in one of the first Registries I think, about Ford sending a bent and damaged car for them to use.
The '68 fiberglass nose as built originally is off noticibly to one side on the top. You don't notice it as much now since so many cars have been "restored" and the fiberglass is reworked a little to make the fit better.
Good stuff
Would be interested to know his recollections/relationship to Chun
Quote from: Coralsnake on January 15, 2020, 02:59:05 PM
Good stuff
Would be interested to know his recollections/relationship to Chun
+1
Not going to be available forever.
Great candid interview, thanks for providing
Love it when he says "it's an automatic" and "someone fixed the hood here, they weren't level"
Quote from: silverton_ford on January 15, 2020, 01:27:57 AM
I hadn't seen the video before. Thank you for posting this.
I saw this article with some great photos a couple days ago too: https://driveline-mag.com/2020/01/13/a-legend-the-designer-behind-the-1967-g-t-500/?fbclid=IwAR0yZ2uQX6h51NfBJJpEEKlxxX5f_kQuA-F0yTrGysWcXtXskwek8_ihVCw (https://driveline-mag.com/2020/01/13/a-legend-the-designer-behind-the-1967-g-t-500/?fbclid=IwAR0yZ2uQX6h51NfBJJpEEKlxxX5f_kQuA-F0yTrGysWcXtXskwek8_ihVCw)
GREAT stuff - thanks!
Quote from: Coralsnake on January 15, 2020, 02:59:05 PM
Good stuff
Would be interested to know his recollections/relationship to Chun
If they knew each other, it wasn't while Charlie was at Shelby American in LAX.
Charlie McHose was long gone before John Chun even interviewed there. The '67 Shelby's were well into production by that point.
I'd have to read up on John's story, but I recall him not starting at LAX until February '67, after he graduated from Art Center in Pasadena.
Would also like to know his relationship to Chun - hell, I'd love to conduct an interview with him!
Noticed in the written interview, Chuck (or someone) misstates that Thunderbird taillights were used on the '67s.
Love his concept sketch below.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-150120170529.jpeg)
Those are great sketches of the '66 Mach I concept Phillip. No doubt these are what Chuck was referring to when he mentioned he brought a few concept sketches to show CS. We can see a lot of influence in that design.
Seems that Mr. McHose has passed...
https://performance.ford.com/enthusiasts/quick-look/2021/02/charlie-mchose.html
Ugh, Sad news. He was a great designer. Thanks JD
(https://performance.ford.com/content/dam/fordracing/enthusiasts/Quick%20Look/2021/02/2-18CharlieMcHose/013-McHose-GT500-1967-Shelby.jpg)
(https://performance.ford.com/content/dam/fordracing/enthusiasts/Quick%20Look/2021/02/2-18CharlieMcHose/012-McHose-GT500-1967-Shelby.jpg)
(https://performance.ford.com/content/dam/fordracing/enthusiasts/Quick%20Look/2021/02/2-18CharlieMcHose/004-McHose-GT500-1967-Shelby.jpg)
(https://performance.ford.com/content/dam/fordracing/enthusiasts/Quick%20Look/2021/02/2-18CharlieMcHose/002-McHose-GT500-1967-Shelby.jpg)
More for posterity
(https://performance.ford.com/content/dam/fordracing/enthusiasts/Quick%20Look/2021/02/2-18CharlieMcHose/005-McHose-GT500-1967-Shelby.jpg)
(https://performance.ford.com/content/dam/fordracing/enthusiasts/Quick%20Look/2021/02/2-18CharlieMcHose/006-McHose-GT500-1967-Shelby.jpg)
(https://performance.ford.com/content/dam/fordracing/enthusiasts/Quick%20Look/2021/02/2-18CharlieMcHose/007-McHose-GT500-1967-Shelby.jpg)
(https://performance.ford.com/content/dam/fordracing/enthusiasts/Quick%20Look/2021/02/2-18CharlieMcHose/009-McHose-GT500-1967-Shelby.jpg)
(https://performance.ford.com/content/dam/fordracing/enthusiasts/Quick%20Look/2021/02/2-18CharlieMcHose/010-McHose-GT500-1967-Shelby.jpg)
(https://performance.ford.com/content/dam/fordracing/enthusiasts/Quick%20Look/2021/02/2-18CharlieMcHose/011-McHose-GT500-1967-Shelby.jpg)
Thanks for posting JD.
This is terrible news! My condolences to his wife Jean and family/friends.
We should get a checkered flag post put up so everyone sees this sad information.
Charlie needs to be praised for his work at Shelby American for all the '67 Shelby GT350/500 design efforts to get it done...
and
for all the work he did at Ford including the 67-68 Mach I concept car, one of my all time favorite concept cars!
Yes.... very sad news.
Terrific interview posted..... very informative.
Bill Neale and now Chuck McHose -
Big loss to the Ford/Shelby and art communities.
- Phillip
This is very, very sad news. My deepest sympathies to all his relatives and friends. A huge loss for our Shelby community.
During SAAC 12, the first SAAC convention in Charlotte, I had the pleasure of meeting Pete Brock at the airport when a group of us were sent to pick up a few enthusiasts who were coming in from Japan. Pete was somehow with them and stopped to speak with me when he saw I was driving a '67 Shelby. He told me that he always thought that the '67 was the prettiest of all the Shelbys. This coming from the guy who was responsible for the design of the Daytona Coupe, one of the most beautiful and iconic auto designs of all time, and for the distinguishing features for the '65 and '66 G.T.350s. Of course I had to agree with him. Very high praise for Mr. McHose efforts indeed. I certainly can't disagree with the statement in that article stating "The 1967 Shelby GT500 is often discussed as among the most gorgeous cars ever made, with a list that includes the likes of the Ferrari 250 GTO, Ford GT40, Jaguar E-Type, and the Shelby Daytona. The 1967 Shelby GT500 takes its rightful place beside them." Personally, the '67 Shelby styling will always be my favorite.
Quote from: propayne on January 15, 2020, 05:06:20 PM
Noticed in the written interview, Chuck (or someone) misstates that Thunderbird taillights were used on the '67s.
- Phillip
I seem to recall that T-Bird taillights were originally considered for the '67 but they were nixed due to availability and the Cougar taillights were then substituted. Others my know better and provide additional insight. T-Bird taillight were tried out on SFM 5 010 at one time.
Not sure why '65 T-Bird taillights would have been nixed on Shelbys in '67 but not in '68...if it was due to an "availability problem."
The '66 and '67 T-Birds used different taillights from the '65 'Birds.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on February 19, 2021, 06:33:12 PM
Not sure why '65 T-Bird taillights would have been nixed on Shelbys in '67 but not in '68...if it was due to an "availability problem."
The '66 and '67 T-Birds used different taillights from the '65 'Birds.
64-5-6 Birds used the same tail lights. 67 was the new Bird with the full width tail light. They would have checked stock and probably found plenty of the Cougar tail lights on hand since it was still a production part. The Bird inventory may have dwindled down to their warranty and crash replacement stock levels for no longer produced cars. Then in 68 it made more sense to make more Ford parts for the larger Shelby productions numbers. Also it avoided the inter brand hassle of sourcing, transfering and paying for the parts on Mercury's books.
Sad news. RIP and condolences to the family.
I'll think of him every time I drive my 68 without wheel covers.
If you don't understand go back to the SAAC annual articles.
McHose had originally experimented with rear quarter glass and 1967 Fairlane taillights.
The best part of the McHose story is he was actually on loan from Ford/Detroit when he did all his work on the 1967s.
That kind of shoots another hole in that old story that the 1967s were the last "real" Shelbys. Actually, they were designed by Ford and Ford had control over the operation.
Just imagine how different things could have been if they had bee given a straight and true car to create their buck :P
Quote from: Coralsnake on February 22, 2021, 08:05:15 AM
McHose had originally experimented with rear quarter glass and 1967 Fairlane taillights.
The best part of the McHose story is he was actually on loan from Ford/Detroit when he did all his work on the 1967s.
That kind of shoots another hole in that old story that the 1967s were the last "real" Shelbys. Actually, they were designed by Ford and Ford had control over the operation.
Not so sure about those thoughts...
In Cantwell's (with Kolasa) book "Shelby Mustang GT350 chapter 12 (in the Publishers Edition) page 143
"...To execute all the body-design changes, we requested the services of a stylist from Ford and were informed that a Charles McHose would arrive at he end of May to assist us. ..."
the list of changes to implement are outlined earlier in the chapter and it seems this was done as Shelby didn't have a stylist on staff and time was short.
Further on in the chapter multiple recollections are made that leave no doubt that Carroll Shelby was very involved in the look of the '67's...
"... then at one point as he (Shelby) was leaving to go to LeMans stated he didn't like the front end on the nearly completed front end and directed that the whole thing be stretched to make the car look longer, sleeker and faster..."
There are other statements of Shelby's overriding involvement in the '67's in the chapter as well.