That is all I can say for now. Not teasing on purpose. I was sworn to secrecy.No doubt it will come out shortly. I had to say this much because I know there were others that were sick by the thought of it leaving the country like I was. :D
Ok Bob, just come out with it and tell everyone that a** monkey bought it.
Probably not Dick Rollins- His buddy Dennis is the money man... Maybe ;)
I can't imagine that any of the A** Monkey guys, Dennis included, would pay that much $$ for a car that they couldn't/wouldn't/shouldn't ruin with a bunch of their monkey crap.
Not a lot of prospective customers to bamboozle with BS, at that price point.
Wouldn't be a bad investment at what they paid for it if they charge $20 per person
3,740,000 รท $20 = 187,000 people to get a R.O.I.
Yes, but imagine the horror that poor car would be subjected to, in A** Monkey hands.
Can't wait to see it with an off-road tire and wheel mounted on the trunklid, bagged and slammed suspension, and Rawling's devil horn hand gesture painted on the doors.
I'm guessing Dana & Frank bought it!
In Richard Rawlings parlance, let her rip tatter chip. Time to do a full resto mod. Woooohoooo!
Dana and Frank would be my guess as well.
I wouldn't be shocked if it was Craig Jackson. But. The Mecums are my first guess.
I'm wondering how much the enthusiasm for that car will fall off now that it's had its couple of years in the limelight, nationwide tours, and media coverage.
The auction sale ends the dreamy wonder of "who'll get it?" and "how much $$$ will it go for?"
I'm kind of done with all of that. I wouldn't travel out of my way to see the car, but would stop by the Petersen if it were displayed there for a while.
Other thoughts?
^^^My thoughts exactly.
My thoughts too. I've kinda moved on. It was fun to see. As I have mentioned in prior posts, there was an unusual aura coming from it. And I'm not normally a superstitious guy.
Bob,
Rumor has it that it may end up in Florida.
All they need to do is put some 22 inch Foose wheels on it, put out some suspenseful preview hype and then knock out a cable TV show about it. 8)
Florida? March Pieloch at the American Musclecar Museum in Melbourne?
It would be pretty funny if it ended up on Barrett-Jackson's Auction Block this Saturday night as a last minute entry!😁
The Donald !
Quote from: Bill on January 16, 2020, 09:45:39 PM
Bob,
Rumor has it that it may end up in Florida.
it's good news ! it deserves to stay in USA !
Quote from: 427heaven on January 16, 2020, 06:08:18 PM
Probably not Dick Rollins- His buddy Dennis is the money man... Maybe ;)
Dennis is worth 30 million and RR is worth 20 million-if you believe the internet. Both are now money men. Gary
Quote from: Side-Oilers on January 16, 2020, 07:27:54 PM
I'm wondering how much the enthusiasm for that car will fall off now that it's had its couple of years in the limelight, nationwide tours, and media coverage.
The auction sale ends the dreamy wonder of "who'll get it?" and "how much $$$ will it go for?"
I'm kind of done with all of that. I wouldn't travel out of my way to see the car, but would stop by the Petersen if it were displayed there for a while.
Other thoughts?
Through work I saw the Bullitt car at the 2018 Detroit International Auto show before it was open to the general public and a lot of people there. I was disappointed on how the long time owner just let the car deteriorate knowing full well what he had. Gary
I'm curious wether a "car enthusiast" ( collector ) bought it or a Steve McQueen collector bought it. I figure there are 2 different camps of individuals who would have ponied up that kind of money. Remember someone paid $17.8M for Paul Newman's Daytona Rolex.
I saw it at MCACN in November. My thoughts were that it was in remarkable condition for a car that had operated in a salty / snowy environment for nearly 10 years. I think they took very good care of it and cherished it by the time it was put away in the early 1980's.
Would I trade my 401K for it? No!
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 17, 2020, 07:34:29 AM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on January 16, 2020, 07:27:54 PM
I'm wondering how much the enthusiasm for that car will fall off now that it's had its couple of years in the limelight, nationwide tours, and media coverage.
The auction sale ends the dreamy wonder of "who'll get it?" and "how much $$$ will it go for?"
I'm kind of done with all of that. I wouldn't travel out of my way to see the car, but would stop by the Petersen if it were displayed there for a while.
Other thoughts?
Through work I saw the Bullitt car at the 2018 Detroit International Auto show before it was open to the general public and a lot of people there. I was disappointed on how the long time owner just let the car deteriorate knowing full well what he had. Gary
Quote from: gt350bp on January 16, 2020, 06:57:09 PM
I'm guessing Dana & Frank bought it!
They worked pretty hard on stage to get the bid to $3.5M (without success) which makes me doubt that this is true.
Quote from: Royce Peterson on January 17, 2020, 10:33:55 AM
I saw it at MCACN in November. My thoughts were that it was in remarkable condition for a car that had operated in a salty / snowy environment for nearly 10 years. I think they took very good care of it and cherished it by the time it was put away in the early 1980's.
Would I trade my 401K for it? No!
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 17, 2020, 07:34:29 AM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on January 16, 2020, 07:27:54 PM
I'm wondering how much the enthusiasm for that car will fall off now that it's had its couple of years in the limelight, nationwide tours, and media coverage.
The auction sale ends the dreamy wonder of "who'll get it?" and "how much $$$ will it go for?"
I'm kind of done with all of that. I wouldn't travel out of my way to see the car, but would stop by the Petersen if it were displayed there for a while.
Other thoughts?
Through work I saw the Bullitt car at the 2018 Detroit International Auto show before it was open to the general public and a lot of people there. I was disappointed on how the long time owner just let the car deteriorate knowing full well what he had. Gary
Royce, were you looking at the same car? It was the green '68 fastback with holes from rust all over it in the big plastic box. :o
But seriously, I agree with Gary as to the condition they let it become. Sad.
A man that appreciates patina, love it
Quote from: Royce Peterson on January 17, 2020, 10:33:55 AM
I saw it at MCACN in November. My thoughts were that it was in remarkable condition for a car that had operated in a salty / snowy environment for nearly 10 years. I think they took very good care of it and cherished it by the time it was put away in the early 1980's.
Would I trade my 401K for it? No!
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 17, 2020, 07:34:29 AM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on January 16, 2020, 07:27:54 PM
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I'm not trying to be argumentative with what I'm about to say, but IMO, "patina" is the most overused and ridiculous word in the car industry. It simply means wear.
Yes, there are many, many, many nice old, original cars with "appropriate patina" for their age. When it helps to qualify the car's originality, that's a good use of the word, IMO.
But, I think most of us have seen real POS cars that someone is trying to pass off as being special because it has that magical word "patina." In some of those cases, the seller is trying to get us to believe that tons of rust, a seized engine and a thrashed interior are cool because of the "patina."
It's almost as overused and mis-used of a word as "barn find."
I'm a word guy, so stuff like that bugs me.
OK, let the banana throwing begin.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on January 17, 2020, 12:14:18 PM
I'm not trying to be argumentative with what I'm about to say, but IMO, "patina" is the most overused and ridiculous word in the car industry. It simply means wear.
Yes, there are many, many, many nice old, original cars with "appropriate patina" for their age. When it helps to qualify the car's originality, that's a good use of the word, IMO.
But, I think most of us have seen real POS cars that someone is trying to pass off as being special because it has that magical word "patina." In some of those cases, the seller is trying to get us to believe that tons of rust, a seized engine and a thrashed interior are cool because of the "patina."
It's almost as overused and mis-used of a word as "barn find."
I'm a word guy, so stuff like that bugs me.
OK, let the banana throwing begin.
+1
Quote from: Side-Oilers on January 17, 2020, 12:14:18 PM
I'm not trying to be argumentative with what I'm about to say, but IMO, "patina" is the most overused and ridiculous word in the car industry. It simply means wear.
Yes, there are many, many, many nice old, original cars with "appropriate patina" for their age. When it helps to qualify the car's originality, that's a good use of the word, IMO.
But, I think most of us have seen real POS cars that someone is trying to pass off as being special because it has that magical word "patina." In some of those cases, the seller is trying to get us to believe that tons of rust, a seized engine and a thrashed interior are cool because of the "patina."
It's almost as overused and mis-used of a word as "barn find."
I'm a word guy, so stuff like that bugs me.
OK, let the banana throwing begin.
Patina, restored, concours all words used incorrectly in an attempt to elevate status.
The cheese stands alone...
JMHO
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on January 17, 2020, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on January 17, 2020, 12:14:18 PM
I'm not trying to be argumentative with what I'm about to say, but IMO, "patina" is the most overused and ridiculous word in the car industry. It simply means wear.
Yes, there are many, many, many nice old, original cars with "appropriate patina" for their age. When it helps to qualify the car's originality, that's a good use of the word, IMO.
But, I think most of us have seen real POS cars that someone is trying to pass off as being special because it has that magical word "patina." In some of those cases, the seller is trying to get us to believe that tons of rust, a seized engine and a thrashed interior are cool because of the "patina."
It's almost as overused and mis-used of a word as "barn find."
you forgot frame off and matching numbers
I'm a word guy, so stuff like that bugs me.
OK, let the banana throwing begin.
Patina, restored, concours all words used incorrectly in an attempt to elevate status.
The cheese stands alone...
JMHO
patina...I'll drink to that...salud !
back to the discussion, so bullitt will stay in the USA
Quote from: Side-Oilers on January 17, 2020, 12:14:18 PM
I'm not trying to be argumentative with what I'm about to say, but IMO, "patina" is the most overused and ridiculous word in the car industry. It simply means wear.
Yes, there are many, many, many nice old, original cars with "appropriate patina" for their age. When it helps to qualify the car's originality, that's a good use of the word, IMO.
But, I think most of us have seen real POS cars that someone is trying to pass off as being special because it has that magical word "patina." In some of those cases, the seller is trying to get us to believe that tons of rust, a seized engine and a thrashed interior are cool because of the "patina."
It's almost as overused and mis-used of a word as "barn find."
I'm a word guy, so stuff like that bugs me.
OK, let the banana throwing begin.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on January 17, 2020, 12:14:18 PM
I'm not trying to be argumentative with what I'm about to say, but IMO, "patina" is the most overused and ridiculous word in the car industry. It simply means wear.
Yes, there are many, many, many nice old, original cars with "appropriate patina" for their age. When it helps to qualify the car's originality, that's a good use of the word, IMO.
But, I think most of us have seen real POS cars that someone is trying to pass off as being special because it has that magical word "patina." In some of those cases, the seller is trying to get us to believe that tons of rust, a seized engine and a thrashed interior are cool because of the "patina."
It's almost as overused and mis-used of a word as "barn find."
I'm a word guy, so stuff like that bugs me.
OK, let the banana throwing begin.
Well stated!
but, without Kiwi, not sure who else is gonna throw the banana? :o
Altho... since those "old" owners cashed out for over $3 million, I'd say their choices are pretty hard to disagree with ??? ::)
Excellent point Mark. They obviously did something right.
You can lay the blame for the expression "Patina" on the classic show car genre. It's become quite "fashionable" to bring an original car to places like Pebble Beach bearing well worn paint, etc. The coining of the word Patina applies to the paint, interior, even the motor if it's been left in "as found" condition. I guess saying the car is completely original left too much to the imagination.
" PROVENANCE "
Agreed, CSX 4133. My ire is with the people who apply the term to less-than-good cars in a effort to bamboozle someone.
Patina is also used in the antique furniture business, of course, and in my experience you need to watch out for just about as many fraudsters there as in vintage car sales.
Caveat patina emptor!
Agreed, Tony. Provenance is a much more useful thing, for knowledgeable buyers. And, we've certainly seen that phrase over-used too.
Patina? This is Patina! :https://www.simeonemuseum.org/photos/cobra-daytona-coupe-csx-2287/
^^^100%.
Agreed, regarding the misuse of the words "patina" and "barn find".
Case in point: the car below that was a no sale at Kissimmee. If you look closely, you'll see HUGE holes in the lower quarters (I could have dropped a football from inside the trunk to the ground without hitting anything on either side of the gas tank) and holes on the forward and aft areas of the aprons on both sides.
There seemed to be no money in the room, and it looked to be shill bid up to $37K. BTW - I checked after it crossed the block, and the reserve was $65K.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0120-396954/1969-ford-mustang-mach-1-fastback/
2 quick pics.
every time we hear the words patina, barn find, provenance before the introduction we know here comes another SH#T BOX
what about that bullitt staying in the continental states
I am very glad that Bullitt is staying in the USA. Any intel on who bought it yet...other than Mr. Gaines and he ain't talking.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 17, 2020, 04:06:31 PM
every time we hear the words patina, barn find, provenance before the introduction we know here comes another SH#T BOX
what about that bullitt staying in the continental states
Hole-y cow!
Regarding the potential buyer of the Bullet car, my guess is it may end up with Ron Pratt.
Pratt hasn't been buying for a couple of years. Not that he couldn't though.
Maybe it's the same guy (Miller) that bought CSX2000?
I am hearing that the prior owner was offered $7,000,000 and turn down. Any truth to this? Looks like he should have taken the offer. I think everyone expected more than the $3,740,000 with fees it finally sold at.
I find it interesting that many of the images shown at the auction were not this car and that the car was not described as the none chase scene car. (Or did I miss that?) Still very cool.
In the actual movie, you can ID each car by the different side mirrors. The non-chase scene car has the stock 68 Mustang mirror and the chase scene car has an a black round mirror.
Take care
Cory
Quote from: 6s1640 on January 17, 2020, 07:35:17 PM
I am hearing that the prior owner was offered $7,000,000 and turn down. Any truth to this? Looks like he should have taken the offer. I think everyone expected more than the $3,740,000 with fees it finally sold at.
Ummmm, ouch?
Quote from: NC TRACKRAT on January 17, 2020, 03:16:35 PM
Patina? This is Patina! :https://www.simeonemuseum.org/photos/cobra-daytona-coupe-csx-2287/
They did a presentation one time at the Museum about the effort that went into the preservation... not sure I remember any exact numbers, but pretty sure it was well over 2,000 hours to keep that patina and make it operable.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 17, 2020, 04:06:31 PM
every time we hear the words patina, barn find, provenance before the introduction we know here comes another SH#T BOX
what about that bullitt staying in the continental states
Hey, bring it to my State so we can enhance the patina by letting it spend some quality time by the beach. For the concerned, we can put in that glass box. On Waikiki beach, people f
rom all over the U.S. and around the world can visit it. 8)
SOOOOO, would you guys restore it or leave it exactly as it is?
I would leave it as restoring it, in my mine would take away the connection to the movie and Steve
As far as Patina, I really believe it started becoming fashionable when folks could not afford paint jobs. All of a sudden cars were around that had wear and tear showing and folks liked it (I most certainly do and a 66 Shelby with heavy Patina got me wanting one for a few decades) Of course the word is now used to describe basket case cars. I think it fits when a car is in otherwise driver shape but has paint that is polished through and maybe some rust but not excessive
I also like buying project cars with original patina showing the car has lived in its current state, wether original or long ago restored. This shows me that the bodywork done didn't fail in 6 months.
Just one guys opinion
Peter
yes it is
Quote from: Side-Oilers on January 17, 2020, 04:15:34 PM
I am very glad that Bullitt is staying in the USA. Any intel on who bought it yet...other than Mr. Gaines and he ain't talking.
Aloha Don
One of our cars went from Ford in Detroit to Shelby American, then shipped overseas to Maui, Hawaii. Then from Maui back to the great State of Florida.
It has more nautical miles than land miles. We almost had to register it as a boat.....
Let's take a look at our coast line and compare to your paradise. The big advantage we have over yours is that we have bridges connecting our islands. Mahalo
Quote from: Don Johnston on January 17, 2020, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 17, 2020, 04:06:31 PM
every time we hear the words patina, barn find, provenance before the introduction we know here comes another SH#T BOX
what about that bullitt staying in the continental states
Hey, bring it to my State so we can enhance the patina by letting it spend some quality time by the beach. For the concerned, we can put in that glass box. On Waikiki beach, people f
rom all over the U.S. and around the world can visit it. 8)
Leave that 3 million dollar heap as it is, is what the majority of our group says
Quote from: pmustang on January 19, 2020, 09:05:43 AM
SOOOOO, would you guys restore it or leave it exactly as it is?
I would leave it as restoring it, in my mine would take away the connection to the movie and Steve
As far as Patina, I really believe it started becoming fashionable when folks could not afford paint jobs. All of a sudden cars were around that had wear and tear showing and folks liked it (I most certainly do and a 66 Shelby with heavy Patina got me wanting one for a few decades) Of course the word is now used to describe basket case cars. I think it fits when a car is in otherwise driver shape but has paint that is polished through and maybe some rust but not excessive
I also like buying project cars with original patina showing the car has lived in its current state, wether original or long ago restored. This shows me that the bodywork done didn't fail in 6 months.
Just one guys opinion
Peter
All good to say "leave it as it is" NOW. But everybody here knows Mustangs...and metal. Eventually, that car is going to get restored. It might be ten years, might be fifty. Otherwise we'll be looking at a pile of rust dust with 4 tires around it.
Quote from: Shelby_r_b on January 17, 2020, 03:55:48 PM
Agreed, regarding the misuse of the words "patina" and "barn find".
Case in point: the car below that was a no sale at Kissimmee. If you look closely, you'll see HUGE holes in the lower quarters (I could have dropped a football from inside the trunk to the ground without hitting anything on either side of the gas tank) and holes on the forward and aft areas of the aprons on both sides.
There seemed to be no money in the room, and it looked to be shill bid up to $37K. BTW - I checked after it crossed the block, and the reserve was $65K.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0120-396954/1969-ford-mustang-mach-1-fastback/
Nobody will spend 65 on a car that costs another 60 to restore and have a value of 75 max.
The new owner could be any Jay Leno level
Collector or above. Which leaves a very long list of permanent residents of the USA.
My guess was David McNeil from Weather Tech or the Mecums...
Just for discussion, why not restore the Bullit Mustang to how it was at the start of the movie? Look at the amazing work that has been done on the restoration of the first Shelby GT350 and 350R models, GT40 winners and other rare legendary cars. Yes, expensive and needs to be done correctly, but not impossible. It would then be o value in a glass box exhibition. 8)
The place to display the Bullitt Mustang as is- that would make sense- is the Dezer Collection north of Miami.
One of the Bond Diamond Mach 1 is there and a huge Bond collection as well as other movie cars (Batman, Monkeys, you name it).
They have enough money to buy.
Quote from: pmustang on January 19, 2020, 09:05:43 AM
SOOOOO, would you guys restore it or leave it exactly as it is?
I would leave it as restoring it, in my mine would take away the connection to the movie and Steve
As far as Patina, I really believe it started becoming fashionable when folks could not afford paint jobs. All of a sudden cars were around that had wear and tear showing and folks liked it (I most certainly do and a 66 Shelby with heavy Patina got me wanting one for a few decades) Of course the word is now used to describe basket case cars. I think it fits when a car is in otherwise driver shape but has paint that is polished through and maybe some rust but not excessive
I also like buying project cars with original patina showing the car has lived in its current state, wether original or long ago restored. This shows me that the bodywork done didn't fail in 6 months.
Just one guys opinion
Peter
It was only movie original once and when the movie studio sent it out for refurbishment before selling it the patina went out the window on this car. JMHO. Gary
Actually, McQueen had the car "dulled up" and dinged up so that it would look like a car that a detective on low pay would own. It's probably very close to the way it looked when filming took place, maybe a little more "tired" but not by much. Most all the original beefed-up underpinnings are still there, as are the mounts for the cameras.
+ 1 charge entry and your return on investment will be had quickly
Quote from: TransamEd on January 21, 2020, 02:12:06 AM
The place to display the Bullitt Mustang as is- that would make sense- is the Dezer Collection north of Miami.
One of the Bond Diamond Mach 1 is there and a huge Bond collection as well as other movie cars (Batman, Monkeys, you name it).
They have enough money to buy.
correct leave it as is as close to its original state, imagine all the dings, dents, scratches as it was driven through the Streets of San Francisco ( excuse the pun )
drive it to a local hang out and not have to worry about a rock chip or door ding.....priceless !
then display and charge entry to view and get a fast r o.i.
Quote from: NC TRACKRAT on January 21, 2020, 08:13:00 AM
Actually, McQueen had the car "dulled up" and dinged up so that it would look like a car that a detective on low pay would own. It's probably very close to the way it looked when filming took place, maybe a little more "tired" but not by much. Most all the original beefed-up underpinnings are still there, as are the mounts for the cameras.
FYI
1)
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2398200070196190&id=175673335782219&sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e
2)
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2000801069936094&id=175673335782219&sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e
In this upcoming film, find out how the Bullitt Mustang ended up in New Jersey driven by a real detective named Frank, became a school teacher's daily driver during the gas crisis before being tucked away in a barn, a garage, hunted by Mustang enthusiasts worldwide and then revealed to the public on its 50th Anniversary! For the first time, the entire story of the Bullitt Mustang hero car is told with never before seen interviews from its previous owners including the Kiernan family that has cared for this famous car for over 40 years!
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 21, 2020, 09:38:18 AMIn this upcoming film, ....
Lots of history here too. https://www.historicvehicle.org/national-historic-vehicle-register/vehicles/1968-ford-mustang-fastback-bullitt-559/
Quote from: TransamEd on January 21, 2020, 02:12:06 AM
The place to display the Bullitt Mustang as is- that would make sense- is the Dezer Collection north of Miami.
Oops, short correction: obviously Dezer just closed early this year and comes to Orlando, maybe it needs a new start there with a movie car highlight? Worth to watch out.
http://www.dezercollection.com/
Leno
Bruce Meyers would be my off the wall guess.
Regarding the potential of a restoration ....... even at a paltry $3.75M in the grand scheme, it's only original once.
My guess is the Miller family in Salt Lake City.
My original guess was Craig Jackson, and still see that possibility.
As long as we are throwing out names.... John Staluppi. He sold his collection and has been buying more eclectic cars to replace them.