Testing 1-2-3.
Many have ruined the hobby, just look at the parts for sale.
On another point, I repeat, many have ruined the hobby, just look at BJ, Mecum, Ebay, youtube etc.
Not certain what has transpired to cause this post, and no offense intended, but one post is more than enough to get your point across.
Bill
Perspective is key.Things are seldom REALLY terrible OR really great.Your worldview is shaped by that,for better or worse.You can make this world the worst thing ever,or the best,your call.Try optimism,you might like it.Good Luck and Best Wishes.
+1
I know how you feel. I encountered some stupidity, and some outright hostility when I dared to question the gods (especially when I was demonstrably correct). I went away. But, eventually, I came back.
There is a lot of good here. And, as in life generally, you have to focus on that. Obsessing on the rest will take you down . .. .
John
Quote from: 67 GT350 on February 12, 2020, 08:25:51 AM
Many have ruined the hobby, just look at the parts for sale.
On another point, I repeat, many have ruined the hobby, just look at BJ, Mecum, Ebay, youtube etc.
Ok so if you are going to make such outlandish statements then you must tell us how it can be fixed!! Do not be like the politicians and say what is so terrible with our country but NEVER say what they can do to fix it!!! So you are mad at the auction companies and social media for the prices of cars and parts going up? They did not force anyone to buy those cars and parts. There were willing buyers that decided the cars/parts were worth that amount of money to them. That is LIFE! Actually I challenge you to look back around 2006 at what 1967 GT500s were selling for! You could not buy one at auction for under 200,000. I would say the prices on those have slipped some.
Please tell us exactly how this hobby and club have been ruined and how you would fix it.
Thanks
Chad
Amen Chad! 8)
Define ruined ?
If the pride and joy was stripped out of my ownership I would sell.This is supposed to be fun or what's the point???Besides there is always golf...........
To the OP:
Having gone through some high stress moments on my adult life, I offer you the following:
Everything can and will change
You have gotten over certain challenges before
It really is a learning experience on the road of life
Not getting exactly what you want, or how you want it may actually be a blessing in disguise
Make certain to have some fun when you can
Being kind to yourself is the best medicine
Do not allow other peoples negativity get to you, it's not worth worrying about
Remember, there are always things to be thankful for.
Thus ends tonights lesson on getting through this baloney that sometimes life throws at you.
Bill
To the OP... Since you are so passionate about how the hobby is ruined because of the prices. I would expect that when you decide to sell yours, you sale it for what you paid for it because I'm sure you don't want to proliferate the increases in prices because you are so offended.
Seriously, come on man get real, get involved with making positive change and stop the complaining.
Well Said Greg!
And... rather than just the cost of Shelbys and the parts for them... Does anyone want to sell their house for what it cost 40 years ago... If so.. I am a "buyer" "sight unseen" or maybe and old Ferrari or two? 1980's prices?
And.. Yes... Owned and enjoyed Shelby cars since 1986! 8)
I understand both sides
I have a couple retired neighbors. They stop by my shop everyday, ya know... drink coffee, see what I'm working on, give me unasked for advice, that kinda stuff that folks 30 years older than you like to do.
One of them is really into cars. Well, not the cars perse but owning and flipping them.
He will buy a classic for $12,000.
I used to think he wanted to keep one for enjoyment of the car itself.
But nope, every time I'd go over and help him fix one up, he'd go and sell it for $20,000.
He would literally double an asking price if he had to change the battery.
I told him that I thought what he was doing was wrong because it simply drove up the cost to play with older cars. He shrugs and says that is just what he does.
I made it clear I was not interested it helping him fix up any cars, and aside from giving advice, I do not assist him.
He is a great neighbor, I could have easily gotten mad about the situation, but I love the ole fella....
I cannot change who he is, but I can have very good boundaries in my own life.
Sometimes you just have to take people as they are, not everyone has my exact moral code.
Do I feel that some people ruin my hobby with their rampant materialism? Yes.
Will I let those feelings grow into hate? No
By being accepting, I find I enjoy my life more.
I dont know why some people cant focus on the cars. My guess is they have nothing else to offer.
Regarding the people that want to fake Shelbys, they are only hurting the values of the cars and should be discouraged. Lets ask the people that were sold the Shawnee, OK cars how they feel
Eight Barrel
I sent you a PM but it bounced back.
The OP is no longer on the forum
I was going to offer a suggestion how to cope with stress given to me years ago by a friend: "Practice your breathing". Oh, well. "Time and tide wait for no man."
Dont worry
He will be back
We will be able to tell quite easily
He couldnt go three posts without mentioning his former employment, medical history, dislike for California or current employment. It was getting stale.
E pluribus unum. Out of many, one.
That is the motto of the United States. It is as accurate as accurate can be.
SAAC is much like that. About as diverse a gaggle of geese as there ever was.
It isn't unusual to have very strong differences of opinion in the US, the world in general or here specifically.
SAAC is in no more trouble then the cars are themselves. Things change. People change but hopefully within those changes, they evolve into a wiser and better person?
The theory of the First Amendment is that we all should be able to accept the opinions of others. Something that ordinarily would make our blood boil. Abstract theories of that level although admirable, in practice can be difficult to accept.
As a result, we tend to go to our corners and choose sides.
In the complex society that we live in, new ideas, even old ideas can often seem threatening. People that speak them, unreasonable opportunists.
We all have stories. We all have fears. We all have dreams and aspirations.
We are fiercely independent and don't like to be told what to do or to think.
Admirers of Shelby's vehicles largely fall into the catagory of A types. Gracesousely we want to call those characteristics attributes.
The same things that make a personality strong can also make them difficult to live with at times. Sort of two sides of the same coin.
Not having lived in DFB's shoes, I can't know exactly what makes him tick, nor do I particularly want to. I can probably safely presume that being shot 28 times (or so) in the line of duty, could feasibly be a huge personality/philosophy changer?
I too have felt frustration with other members of SAAC as well as in other communities. For me it was caused simply because I had much high expectation of others here unrealistically. That's a knock on me, not others.
Long ago, I decided that I didn't want to burn down society to make changes for the better. I wanted to work within it. At times I seem to forget that and need to ask an immigrant what is so special about the US? I've never had a reply where they did not know?
Positive change rarely occurs in revolutions. It occurs one person at a time.
I would say that in this occurrence, DFB's resignation from this community here at SAAC is a mistake on his part.
On the point of accepting someone else's diverse opinions politically, I admit that can be difficult, but he has already proved that he does belong here, and hard ass that he is, should stay.
Hey, Lefty's beer isn't bad. You should try some. It won't rot your brain. ;)
shelbydoug, well worded post.
Mike
Shelbydoug that's one nice coin
Not offering an excuse (or maybe I am?) but in one of the OP's posts that was pulled down he expressed that both of his parents received terminal cancer diagnoses late last year and he also lost two other family members between then and now. Life (death) is coming at him hard and I'm willing to overlook quite a bit when someone is dealing with that kind of pressure. If you're so inclined, pray for the guy and his family and that he holds it together and returns someday in a better state of mind. ~Kevin
People come to this site ( and others) for a variety of reasons . Many to socialize , others to learn , and others to contribute with their knowledge /experience. NO ONE is "obligated" to be here OR post. Many don't post just watch/learn. With that being said this form of communication / interaction is challenging as we see from time to time. Some are offended when no offence was intended.
Keith contributed often and had much experience. Some of his personal opinions on subjects not related to SAI vehicles was harsh , bordering on offensive to some/many. He related that some of his harshness was "baggage" ( my wording) encountered while serving our country , protecting OUR freedom. More piled on with the recent loss of his parents to cancer. This is not the first person to be haunted this way. "I" chose to "look the other way" and not confront / caution him about the aggression that surfaced at times.. For me that was easier and I participated in the threads where he was back "down to earth". "I" personally can not help him with his demons because I am not qualified despite a desire to help.
I am sorry Keith chose to leave almost as much as I am sorry "I" don't have the skills to help him. I hope he returns some day.
Randy
Quote from: kjspeed on February 13, 2020, 11:40:43 AM
Not offering an excuse (or maybe I am?)...
... I'm willing to overlook quite a bit when someone is dealing with that kind of pressure. If you're so inclined, pray for the guy and his family and that he holds it together and returns someday in a better state of mind. ~Kevin
+1 and [VERY] well stated Kevin, Randy, Doug
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on February 13, 2020, 11:23:26 AM
Shelbydoug that's one nice coin
I think of it as a reminder, less I forget?
Every man some time in his life needs to withdraw and spend some time on the mountain alone. We all withdraw (I believe) to evaluate the sum total of our lives and that is a good thing. It is a road to self actualization?
Quote from: deathsled on February 13, 2020, 01:33:12 PM
Every man some time in his life needs to withdraw and spend some time on the mountain alone. We all withdraw (I believe) to evaluate the sum total of our lives and that is a good thing. It is a road to self actualization?
Well said... and as we get older, this becomes more frequent.
+1
I sincerely hope he finds what he is looking for,and some peace.Many people never do and that is one of the most tragic things that I have ever seen in this life...Godspeed to him.
Quote from: kjspeed on February 13, 2020, 11:40:43 AM
Not offering an excuse (or maybe I am?) but in one of the OP's posts that was pulled down he expressed that both of his parents received terminal cancer diagnoses late last year and he also lost two other family members between then and now. Life (death) is coming at him hard and I'm willing to overlook quite a bit when someone is dealing with that kind of pressure. If you're so inclined, pray for the guy and his family and that he holds it together and returns someday in a better state of mind. ~Kevin
I think you're right on the money. Death was coming hard at me 5 years ago.
My newly born niece "Haley" passed after only 4 days of life on this earth. It was a blood disorder. She was healthy in her mom's womb but once she was born and on her own, her body could not survive.
Then my dad passed away from cancer.
I was loosing my shit and getting down right PO'd at people and even colleagues. I was mad as hell!
The passage of time has calmed me down, provided me with acceptance and understanding and I am no longer a raging bull. I think Keith will be back and we should openly welcome him upon his return.
QSS
Wow god speed to all who have had a loss as we all get older especially car guys like golden Colorado guys !
Quote from: Tired Sheep on February 13, 2020, 10:52:52 AM
Dont worry
He will be back
We will be able to tell quite easily
He couldnt go three posts without mentioning his former employment, medical history, dislike for California or current employment. It was getting stale.
I'm glad you mentioned this. Because an earlier topic he said he might leave the forum. Now this one. I thought an even earlier topic he posted on he was out of line politically and was to me just being politically on here is out of line. His beliefs came shining through. We all have our beliefs and I try to NOT share them on this forum on a few fronts. Hey, I have been employed by General motors since 1985 so you can see how some JADED posts can make me SMH . Many here in the Shelby community have known me for decades. Some have not met me before. I have always been an Ambassador for the cars and club and will continue to do so(still got some "honk if you are being sued.." bumper stickers). The hobby isn't ruined nor is the club IMHO. Some of his posts on "exploring retirement locations" were pretty insulting due to their inaccuracies and uncalled for. Then he wants to call out others? Just saying.... Gary
Politics=divisiveness (unfortunately). I don't think we need the "static".Maybe stick to the cars?
In the words of the late great Rodney King ;
Can we all just get along?
Happy Valentine's day!
See you at the car show
Quote from: 557 on February 14, 2020, 11:46:40 AM
Politics=divisiveness (unfortunately). I don't think we need the "static".Maybe stick to the cars?
+1. I think what many fail to understand is that what is good for one-politically-may not be good for another. We all have different situations in life. Say the guy who wants to frack some land will have a MUCH different perspective than a landowner who derives their water from a well near that fracking site. This is a car site and it is safe to say all that are here like or love Shelbys. We all have that in common. Even then some do not always agree but at least it is about the cars. Gary
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 15, 2020, 09:29:45 AM
Quote from: 557 on February 14, 2020, 11:46:40 AM
Politics=divisiveness (unfortunately). I don't think we need the "static".Maybe stick to the cars?
+1. I think what many fail to understand is that what is good for one-politically-may not be good for another. We all have different situations in life. Say the guy who wants to frack some land will have a MUCH different perspective than a landowner who derives their water from a well near that fracking site. This is a car site and it is safe to say all that are here like or love Shelbys. We all have that in common. Even then some do not always agree but at least it is about the cars. Gary
. Very good point.One size seldom "fits all"in my experience....
Correct this says it all
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 15, 2020, 09:29:45 AM
Quote from: 557 on February 14, 2020, 11:46:40 AM
Politics=divisiveness (unfortunately). I don't think we need the "static".Maybe stick to the cars?
+1. I think what many fail to understand is that what is good for one-politically-may not be good for another. We all have different situations in life. Say the guy who wants to frack some land will have a MUCH different perspective than a landowner who derives their water from a well near that fracking site. This is a car site and it is safe to say all that are here like or love Shelbys. We all have that in common. Even then some do not always agree but at least it is about the cars. Gary
Can you spread those letters out a bit like on '68s 😁🤣
Ofcourse, the SHELBY genie...has granted your wish !
Quote from: Rickmustang on February 16, 2020, 09:59:51 AM
Can you spread those letters out a bit like on '68s 😁🤣
Cars are the subject and when we veer off topic it usually heads for derailment.
In our present climate, politics actually figure into the survival as we know it of these cars.
There are proposals made almost daily that would limit or eliminate their use eventually.
It isn't a bad idea to post those here to notify the unwary or to open discussions about the repercussions.
However calling others with different perspectives bigots, communists, leftists or facists ALL should refrain from. It shouldn't need to be said either that none should in fact act like bigots here. That simply serves no positive purpose what so ever. Check your guns at the door. There is no need for them here.
We are here to make friends and allies. We ALL have MUCH in common.
We have common interests. Those should be accentuated and emphasized in my view. None of us need to be lectured about how we should think or feel. Leave that to another web site.