After still smarting from a ticket for 21 mph over, I got to thinking about driverless cars. How will governmental entities generate revenue for moving violations when driverless cars hit the ground running? Will we be responsible for speeding tickets if the car malfunctions or charged with running a red light? Will the driverless cars even make these kinds of mistakes? Under either scenario, mistake or not, how will every single governmental body down to the municipal level replace all that lost revenue generated every year in the issuance of moving violations, driving while license suspended and so on? (You know they will by other means). I ask most people and they look at me shocked.
Richard E.
Oh, the poor government :'(
You don't think a bunch of lawyers couldn't come up with a new source of revenue?
I bet their mouths are watering over the thoughts of all the potential new lawsuits.
How about some new tax or license just for driverless vehicles.
Driverless cars, for the most part, will not be privately owned. Uber, left, Ford, GM and possibly even the government itself will retain the ownership of cars, all of which will be either operated by and for the government class or in larger rideshare fleets.
Believe me, they (government) will be more than capable of extracting their pound of flesh at every level. In addition, they will know and record your every move.
I'm already cooking up a story about it.
Because its still "1984"
Death penalty if you are caught driving a car.
driverless cars are already out there. the driver will always be responsible for whatever happens, he will remain in control. these vehicles are incredible and fun. we can take off, fly, and land a jumbo jet by itself, the cars are much simpler, fun to drive on LA freeways etc. I had one on order but canceled due to the fact that they (tesla) as other major problems to work out first. phred
Quote from: papa scoops on March 03, 2018, 04:35:59 PM
these vehicles are incredible and fun. we can take off, fly, and land a jumbo jet by itself, the cars are much simpler, fun to drive on LA freeways etc.
Yes, now we will
never have to put down our phones :-\
Driverless cars will end automobiles as we know them. They'll become horizontal elevators.
Plus why would a person buy a driverless Ford over a Chevy or a Dodge or Toyota? Because the WiFi is better?
The ultimate question will be why will anyone spend high five to six figures just to ride in a self-driving Shelby GT500 or Ford GT.
Pretty boring stuff.
I'll be the guy driving like in the Rush song.....
We will all be stuck behind them when they do exactly the posted speed limit.
Quote from: 1109RWHP on March 03, 2018, 06:09:50 PM
We will all be stuck behind them when they do exactly the posted speed limit.
Nah! Just bully your way through. Drive at them at an unwavering high rate of speed, and watch them part like the Red Sea. Aren't they programmed to avoid collisions?
Steve
How will bank robbers make out anymore?? No more wheelman.
Quote from: 1109RWHP on March 03, 2018, 06:09:50 PM
We will all be stuck behind them when they do exactly the posted speed limit.
Wrong
Don't need a speed limit or traffic lights once you eliminate the wild card behind the wheel.
Even now, cars don't cause accidents...drivers do. :o
Food for thought.
Everything breaks down including driverless cars. The general rule of entropy governs all both great and small. My question then becomes, when said driverless car breaks down and causes a chain reaction of death and mayhem, who will be liable? The owner of the car for failure to maintain? The car manufacture for products liability i.e. design defect, manufacturing defect? All of the above? Interesting times await.
Richard E.
Quote from: deathsled on March 03, 2018, 07:18:03 PM
Everything breaks down including driverless cars. The general rule of entropy governs all both great and small. My question then becomes, when said driverless car breaks down and causes a chain reaction of death and mayhem, who will be liable? The owner of the car for failure to maintain? The car manufacture for products liability i.e. design defect, manufacturing defect? All of the above? Interesting times await.
Richard E.
When driverless car "breaks down" all other cars are notified and slow down simultaneously, merge into lanes not blocked by "breakdown" and continue on there way. No rubber necking means no secondary issues.
we all said the same thing about them automatic transmissions and juice brakes. it's not for the car enthusiast, it's about transportation. phreddy
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on March 03, 2018, 07:34:47 PM
Quote from: deathsled on March 03, 2018, 07:18:03 PM
Everything breaks down including driverless cars. The general rule of entropy governs all both great and small. My question then becomes, when said driverless car breaks down and causes a chain reaction of death and mayhem, who will be liable? The owner of the car for failure to maintain? The car manufacture for products liability i.e. design defect, manufacturing defect? All of the above? Interesting times await.
Richard E.
When driverless car "breaks down" all other cars are notified and slow down simultaneously, merge into lanes not blocked by "breakdown" and continue on there way. No rubber necking means no secondary issues.
Ding ding ding! Excellent point. Downside is a catastrophic failure. But I'm with yah. There will be far fewer accidents.
Quote from: deathsled on March 03, 2018, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on March 03, 2018, 07:34:47 PM
Quote from: deathsled on March 03, 2018, 07:18:03 PM
Everything breaks down including driverless cars. The general rule of entropy governs all both great and small. My question then becomes, when said driverless car breaks down and causes a chain reaction of death and mayhem, who will be liable? The owner of the car for failure to maintain? The car manufacture for products liability i.e. design defect, manufacturing defect? All of the above? Interesting times await.
Richard E.
When driverless car "breaks down" all other cars are notified and slow down simultaneously, merge into lanes not blocked by "breakdown" and continue on there way. No rubber necking means no secondary issues.
Ding ding ding! Excellent point. Downside is a catastrophic failure. But I'm with yah. There will be far fewer accidents.
Not sure what your definition of catastrophic failure is. Cars communicate with other vehicles within a certain range wirelessly. Primary communication would be with master system. Redundant communication means likelihood of catastrophic failure due to loss of situational awareness of other vehicles highly unlikely. Most likely a full communication loss would result in a parking lot.
it will never happen states would lose to much money on dui arrest.
Computer failure is my thought due to corrosion. Software failures Rust belt area driverless cars would be most prone. But you're right. Solution would be water tight boxes for the computers (already the case). It will get sorted out though. You are correct. It's going to be a brave new world. Even more highly regulated I believe. We can revel in the fact that we are at the tail end of the art of driving and the freedoms associated therewith.
Richard E.
As an addendum, most accidents are the result of driver error versus mechanical failure so driverless cars are a coming in full force.
Geez...
21 over... were you slowing down?... ;)
Stubee
Nothing nearly so dramatic. Happened in my Towncar. 56 in a 35. I was more likely doing about 65 but saw that big black Ford SUV and my detector went off far too late. I need a new detector. Cordless and the range on cordless is not as far. Area was a forest preserve. Not some built up residential neighborhood. 35 is ridiculous for the area. Must have been a holdover from the 1930s when cars couldn't handle the speed like present day cars.
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on March 03, 2018, 08:02:44 PM
Quote from: deathsled on March 03, 2018, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on March 03, 2018, 07:34:47 PM
Quote from: deathsled on March 03, 2018, 07:18:03 PM
Everything breaks down including driverless cars. The general rule of entropy governs all both great and small. My question then becomes, when said driverless car breaks down and causes a chain reaction of death and mayhem, who will be liable? The owner of the car for failure to maintain? The car manufacture for products liability i.e. design defect, manufacturing defect? All of the above? Interesting times await.
Richard E.
When driverless car "breaks down" all other cars are notified and slow down simultaneously, merge into lanes not blocked by "breakdown" and continue on there way. No rubber necking means no secondary issues.
Ding ding ding! Excellent point. Downside is a catastrophic failure. But I'm with yah. There will be far fewer accidents.
Not sure what your definition of catastrophic failure is. Cars communicate with other vehicles within a certain range wirelessly. Primary communication would be with master system. Redundant communication means likelihood of catastrophic failure due to loss of situational awareness of other vehicles highly unlikely. Most likely a full communication loss would result in a parking lot.
EMP. (electromagnetic pulse) That's when you'll wish you still had points in your distributor. 8)
Quote from: jguyer on March 03, 2018, 09:32:45 PM
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on March 03, 2018, 08:02:44 PM
Quote from: deathsled on March 03, 2018, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on March 03, 2018, 07:34:47 PM
Quote from: deathsled on March 03, 2018, 07:18:03 PM
Everything breaks down including driverless cars. The general rule of entropy governs all both great and small. My question then becomes, when said driverless car breaks down and causes a chain reaction of death and mayhem, who will be liable? The owner of the car for failure to maintain? The car manufacture for products liability i.e. design defect, manufacturing defect? All of the above? Interesting times await.
Richard E.
When driverless car "breaks down" all other cars are notified and slow down simultaneously, merge into lanes not blocked by "breakdown" and continue on there way. No rubber necking means no secondary issues.
Ding ding ding! Excellent point. Downside is a catastrophic failure. But I'm with yah. There will be far fewer accidents.
Not sure what your definition of catastrophic failure is. Cars communicate with other vehicles within a certain range wirelessly. Primary communication would be with master system. Redundant communication means likelihood of catastrophic failure due to loss of situational awareness of other vehicles highly unlikely. Most likely a full communication loss would result in a parking lot.
EMP. (electromagnetic pulse) That's when you'll wish you still had points in your distributor. 8)
...or martians. Don't forget about martians.
Mars already has driverless rovers.
On the positive side no more DUIs...On the negative 1 well placed computer hack or signal interference and we all die......
Quote from: 557 on March 03, 2018, 10:44:29 PM
On the positive side no more DUIs...On the negative 1 well placed computer hack or signal interference and we all die......
Systems are hackable because administrators are either lazy or lack the knowledge to secure their network. Can't hack a closed system. ;). Besides your missing the point of autonomous cars. Their programming is in ROM (read ONLY memory) can't be written to by hacking.
Additionally weak user passwords are to blame for many security breaches. Here are 25 common passwords. Recognize any? ;)
123456
123456789
qwerty
12345678
111111
1234567890
1234567
password
123123
987654321
qwertyuiop
mynoob
123321
666666
18atcskd2w
7777777
1q2w3e4r
654321
555555
3rjs1la7qe
google
1q2w3e4r5t
123qwe
zxcvbnm
1q2w3e
I foresee an "Italian Job" event. 8)
Quote from: Don Johnston on March 03, 2018, 11:01:47 PM
I foresee an "Italian Job" event. 8)
Nice, I'll get in on that action, Charlize Theron involved?
Cheers
Quote from: GT350Lad on March 03, 2018, 11:08:22 PM
Quote from: Don Johnston on March 03, 2018, 11:01:47 PM
I foresee an "Italian Job" event. 8)
Nice, I'll get in on that action, Charlize Theron involved?
Cheers
No, just a younger hotter version of her coming along the conveyor belt.
Quote from: Don Johnston on March 03, 2018, 11:01:47 PM
I foresee an "Italian Job" event. 8)
I thought he meant the ending of this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lqtNThufkk
Quote from: 2112 on March 04, 2018, 12:14:21 AM
Quote from: Don Johnston on March 03, 2018, 11:01:47 PM
I foresee an "Italian Job" event. 8)
I thought he meant the ending of this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lqtNThufkk
That is a great scene. I wonder if it was a real Lamborghini Miura...
Addendum...it was not destroyed. Found by two British businessmen in 2015. Oh excuse me "businesspersons." LOL!
"Mr Tyrrell learned that the thrilling sequence that opens The Italian Job was shot using two cars – both supplied by Lamborghini, but one of them was already smashed up.
It is the first, intact, car that has now been found. Mr Tyrrell said: 'The Italian Job Lamborghini is the holy grail of supercars precisely because no one knew what happened to it after the film. I have a life-long passion for these cars but I just assumed this particular vehicle was out of reach.'
As the Miura is still in near-mint condition, Mr Tyrrell – who owns Cheshire Classic Cars – was able to cross-reference its original features with stills from the film. He has also checked the car's history at the Lamborghini archive. He said: 'After inspecting the car, there is no doubt in my mind that it is the Miura from The Italian Job."
Quote from: deathsled on March 04, 2018, 12:16:18 AM
That is a great scene. I wonder if it was a real Lamborghini Miura...
Gawd I hope not.
IMO the Miura SV is the most beautiful car ever penned (yes, I know that one isn't and SV) ;)
Here's one burning to the ground in England. Heart wrenching to see. The horn goes off at 51 seconds as if the car is crying out in pain to be saved. I believe it was a gas line leaking onto a hot manifold. I keep a fire extinguisher in the Hertz. I probably should have two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqpa1HB-wOc
Regards,
Richard E.
^^^^^Yeah I have seen that. :(
Fires have been the demise of many a great car. Smart on the extinguisher.
Back to the Ticket.
Many operators keep their laser or radar shut off. They randomly pick cars based on sight guessing your speed or turn it on at the very last second. Some even wait for only sports cars.
Sounds like your guy was in a zone where the road is clear and the limit set too low. Easy pickings.
Sometimes even a great detector won't save you. Sorry about the news.
Officer: I clocked you doing 100 MIles per hour...
Me: I know Officer... but I was only planing on driving half.. an hour.. ;)
Stubee
LOL! Yeah, instant on I suspect was at issue here. My detector has saved me on so many occasions. Even caught a laser in Michigan from over a mile away. I sailed under the "laser" so to speak as opposed to "radar." Various apps can assist in making the appropriate speed modification as well so I am not deterred. Just need to modernize. I got a supervision which drops off of my record in three months. The "I'm a lawyer" defense did not work on the bitchy prosecutor. Cop showed too so it was a no go on a dismissal. I think I am good. Three movers in Illinois is an automatic suspension of one's license. Only on number one. But still..."Give me fuel give me fire give me that which I desire." Metallica
Sounds like you are fully sorted.
Modernize is the key word. Just really is the pits when it is in a low speed zone and you get dinged.
As you said though... think of all those other times when you somehow got by without getting a ticket.
Pay it and take the lumps... two to go.
Two power settings: On and Off.
I asked my son one day.. What's that smoke in the rear view mirror?... he replied.. The tires Dad...
Enough said on that :)
Stubee
My concern with driver less cars is the hacking of the operating systems, leading to abysmal and dangerous results. My reference to the "Italian Job" is the hacking of traffic controls (both versions of the movie) and the resulting chaos. One accident too Mini. 8)
Quote from: deathsled on March 03, 2018, 10:03:38 PM
Mars already has driverless rovers.
That's Barsoom, to us natives. ::)
I'll be taking my first ride in a driverless car when I'm on the way to the cemetery to be planted 6 feet under.
Z