I just finished watching Phantom Works, season 5 episode 3, One Salty Shelby. I know it was discussed on the last forum, but I had a question about the engine compartment of this 1970 GT500. During the show, they remarked that when the car was put in reverse, the driver's side exhaust manifold bumped the inner shock towers. They never resolved this, but instead chalked it up to that's what Ford and Shelby had to deal with, so don't worry about it. Really? Does anyone on here who owns a 69/70 with a 428 SCJ experience the same issue?
2250 man hours, over $50,00 in parts alone. Hard to believe anyone would be stupid enough to spend that kind of money and not have one of the well respected Shelby restoration shops perform the work. All things being equal, which car would have a higher resale value, a $200,000 restoration from phantom Works, or from one of our regular contributors on this forum who are known experts? I'm thinking this guy really wanted to be on TV badly.
Typical reality TV drama.
That show is difficult for me to watch with the owners temper tantrums (real or not). He self praises himself with the statement "the cars come first". If that were actually true, how could he just let a huge issue like that slide by?
The prices that guy charges for some of the work they do is insane. There's no way in hell I would bring a car there.
Sometimes I think people just bring cars to the closest proximity shop, rather than taking it to a specialist who might be much further away.
I'd rather pay more for an experts time who can do the work quicker and correctly. It might even cost less in the long run.
Had a 1969 GT-500 428SCJ for 15 years never had that problem
For what he charged $ you would think they could get the stripes on correctly
Quote from: BGlover67 on March 03, 2018, 11:40:05 AM
I just finished watching Phantom Works, season 5 episode 3, One Salty Shelby. I know it was discussed on the last forum, but I had a question about the engine compartment of this 1970 GT500. During the show, they remarked that when the car was put in reverse, the driver's side exhaust manifold bumped the inner shock towers. They never resolved this, but instead chalked it up to that's what Ford and Shelby had to deal with, so don't worry about it. Really? Does anyone on here who owns a 69/70 with a 428 SCJ experience the same issue?
2250 man hours, over $50,00 in parts alone. Hard to believe anyone would be stupid enough to spend that kind of money and not have one of the well respected Shelby restoration shops perform the work. All things being equal, which car would have a higher resale value, a $200,000 restoration from phantom Works, or from one of our regular contributors on this forum who are known experts? I'm thinking this guy really wanted to be on TV badly.
This is a unusual problem not typically encountered. With headers yes .With stock exhaust no.
Quote from: GTBULLITT on March 03, 2018, 02:08:48 PM
Had a 1969 GT-500 428SCJ for 15 years never had that problem
For what he charged $ you would think they could get the stripes on correctly
I was surprised that they didn't put the car on a lift when they did it. I was always told that was mandatory if you wanted to get side striping straight.
Quote from: BGlover67 on March 03, 2018, 11:40:05 AM
I just finished watching Phantom Works, season 5 episode 3, One Salty Shelby. I know it was discussed on the last forum, but I had a question about the engine compartment of this 1970 GT500. During the show, they remarked that when the car was put in reverse, the driver's side exhaust manifold bumped the inner shock towers. They never resolved this, but instead chalked it up to that's what Ford and Shelby had to deal with, so don't worry about it. Really? Does anyone on here who owns a 69/70 with a 428 SCJ experience the same issue?
2250 man hours, over $50,00 in parts alone. Hard to believe anyone would be stupid enough to spend that kind of money and not have one of the well respected Shelby restoration shops perform the work. All things being equal, which car would have a higher resale value, a $200,000 restoration from phantom Works, or from one of our regular contributors on this forum who are known experts? I'm thinking this guy really wanted to be on TV badly.
answer to question 1 NO
Quote from: BGlover67 on March 03, 2018, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: GTBULLITT on March 03, 2018, 02:08:48 PM
Had a 1969 GT-500 428SCJ for 15 years never had that problem
For what he charged $ you would think they could get the stripes on correctly
I was surprised that they didn't put the car on a lift when they did it. I was always told that was mandatory if you wanted to get side striping straight.
no
Quote from: BGlover67 on March 03, 2018, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: GTBULLITT on March 03, 2018, 02:08:48 PM
Had a 1969 GT-500 428SCJ for 15 years never had that problem
For what he charged $ you would think they could get the stripes on correctly
I was surprised that they didn't put the car on a lift when they did it. I was always told that was mandatory if you wanted to get side striping straight.
Not mandatory to be on a lift for sure. In fact I can't remember the last time I ever saw someone stripe a 69/70 on a lift. 69/70 is the hardest to do which is why a otherwise good stripe man who does a 69/70 for the first time or two gets them wrong .
Truth be known, the $50k parts didn't cost the owner a dime ::)
+1, 2 or 3 :) on the exhaust issue.
Its a TV show - not sure what it cost the owner. These shows have all sorts of agreements and it comes down to contracts. Have seen some where the people dong make nothing or close to and others where owner comes out with less and sometimes more than advertised
Don't know anything personally about this shop or shows particulars. Anything is possible in the land of smoke and mirrors
In general like to use a lift when available to put on side stripes but it always comes down to how successful the end product is. The results
Is it phantomworks that starts every restoration by acid stripping the car?
I keep asking if this is a good method, but haven't heard any concrete opinions on the subject.
Is there a way to watch this online sans commercials?
Quote from: 2112 on March 03, 2018, 09:19:11 PM
Is it phantomworks that starts every restoration by acid stripping the car?
I keep asking if this is a good method, but haven't heard any concrete opinions on the subject.
I personally would not use that method. Was popular in the 70-80's but it removes so much (everything pretty much) of the original seam sealers and sound deadener that can often be left in place if your starting with a good solid car. MY first Shelby restoration was dipped before the owner purchased it as a project. IMHO it didn't need it and it was just additional work and issues.
That makes sense.
I do like the idea of E-coat on the inside of frame rails etc tho.
Quote from: 2112 on March 03, 2018, 09:19:11 PM
Is it phantomworks that starts every restoration by acid stripping the car?
I keep asking if this is a good method, but haven't heard any concrete opinions on the subject.
Is there a way to watch this online sans commercials?
If you purchase the episoides on Amazon, yes.
I watch that show regularly, why I don't know, Dan loves to upcharge his customers by stating he replaced the SYSTEM. Look at the hours and parts money he says he has in it. OMG... We replaced the ENTIRE FUEL SYSTEM That's 150 hours Carb-fuel line-fuel pump-tank, so did they go on vacation to EUROPE for a month or so after they installed the new SYSTEM IN A FEW HOURS OF WORK! I know its a TV show and most is BS but I believe there are many people that just drop it off and drink the KOOL AIDE he provides. To each his own... :-\ :'(
I had a 1970 Cobra Jet MACH 1 that had Big Tube Hooker Headers. Never had that problem but that's because the Headers rested on the Shock Towers so the Engine never moved at all.
I have had that problem with a 69 Boss 302 , ended up being worn out engine mounts.
It is not uncommon for these cars to have sagging shock towers. A Hydraulic Power pack can be used to push them in place... and an export brace to used to hold them in the correct location. I have seen some people also reinforce with new welds. I find it BS to not fix this issue ...
Quote from: Mark500 on March 06, 2018, 11:23:11 AM
It is not uncommon for these cars to have sagging shock towers. A Hydraulic Power pack can be used to push them in place... and an export brace to used to hold them in the correct location. I have seen some people also reinforce with new welds. I find it BS to not fix this issue ...
Big block itis is what we kiddingly call the sagging symptom. ;D Good points and easy to do with even a inexpensive harbor freight porta power . I typically use a 67/68 export brace as a Quicky go -no go measuring device for just that purpose. If if it doesn't go on I know to tweek it with the porta power until it does . I agree BS not to fix but they probably didn't know any better.
Quote from: 2112 on March 03, 2018, 09:58:03 PM
That makes sense.
I do like the idea of E-coat on the inside of frame rails etc tho.
Not a fan of e Kote or dipping. we did a Boss 429 that the customer sent out to redi strip and then e kote. Everytime that car got wet during the priming and water sanding the red strip would come out of the seams like it was not prepped properly and strip the e kote when in reality how do you prep the inside of a frame rail - about the same as jet hot coating the inside of headers. Not possible unless you would acid etch. We had to power wash the car inside out . blow dry and heat dry with fans for a day then sandblast the seams and epoxy primer before it stopped stripping itself. He wasted about $2000
Quote from: acman63 on March 08, 2018, 06:16:14 PM
Quote from: 2112 on March 03, 2018, 09:58:03 PM
That makes sense.
I do like the idea of E-coat on the inside of frame rails etc tho.
Not a fan of e Kote or dipping. we did a Boss 429 that the customer sent out to redi strip and then e kote. Everytime that car got wet during the priming and water sanding the red strip would come out of the seams like it was not prepped properly and strip the e kote when in reality how do you prep the inside of a frame rail - about the same as jet hot coating the inside of headers. Not possible unless you would acid etch. We had to power wash the car inside out . blow dry and heat dry with fans for a day then sandblast the seams and epoxy primer before it stopped stripping itself. He wasted about $2000
The acid strip was seeping out or the E-coat? I thought E-coat was green?
Most ecote these days is black occasionally some gray shows up on European car parts. The green color you may have seen is probably etching primer
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on April 06, 2018, 12:40:52 PM
Worst part of a 69-70 is the vert scoops. Of course it is the wrong color stripe . :)
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w61/shelbymann/shifter006.jpg) (http://s173.photobucket.com/user/shelbymann/media/shifter006.jpg.html)
If that is wrong, I don't want to be right.