As of today, March 17, 2020 SAAC has NO plans to postpone, cancel or modify SAAC-45 at Indy.
If we do cancel the event, it will most likely be because we are forced to by the track or by a third party (I'm looking at you Gov. Holcomb).
An eblast will go out tonight with this same statement.
And if you have not yet registered for the convention, go to www.saac45.com (http://www.saac45.com) and register. We hope to see you there.
Jay Talbott
SAAC Board Member
My wife and I have enjoyed quite a few national SAAC events in the past 10 years, and we fully intended to attend SAAC 45, but we won't because;
a. we're both 67 years old and thus members of the 'target' group of those who are most likely to be affected by COVID-19. Additionally, my wife's immune system was severely challenged 5 years ago because of chemotherapy and radiation treatments and is permanently immune-challenged.
b. we staunchly support the measures necessary to stem the propagation of COVID-19.
Mandates by our governments; fed, state and local, seem to be necessary because so many folks and groups aren't able to throttle-back on social activities on their own because those preventive measures were initially just 'strongly" encouraged. Too many folks see themselves as a 'tree' rather than as part of the 'forest'. This weekend I was driving through our small town and looked over at the local Irish pub. Patrons were lined up waiting to get in and socialize shoulder to shoulder and face to face, just as they did in years past when Coronavirus was an unknown.
Crazy damn Irish :o :o
dmb496,
I appreciate and FULLY respect your situation and decision and in NO WAY do I think you should change it. We are all our own person.
I TOO am 67 and my wife is 68. She had radiation and chemo 19 years ago when fighting Cancer. I was in Indy last Dec. and came home with flu like symptoms that lasted TWO months for myself and my wife. Was it Corona? I am not sure , BUT we survived. The hysteria involved with this virus (IMHO) is over the top. The virus symptoms don't include diareah and it is not water born YET we are seeing mass buys of toilet paper and bottled water. That sir is paranoia.
Not EVERYONE will die. Some , yes , but people die EVERY day from cars , bullets , disease , drowning, stabbing , cancer etc. I am not taking this lightly nor am I immortal.
I want to make my own choices.
+1 to Randy's post.
IMO: Everyone should take care of themselves and their families as they see best.
At the same time, it will probably help all of humanity (and the economy) to keep our heads and be reasonable.
Fear begets fear. Panic begets panic.
Just don't take me,or my family out because of your choices. Drunk drivers have same reasoning. We are all in this mess together....stay safe/healthy and respect your fellow man.
We've been through WW2, Aids, Sars, Bird Flu and the Swine Flu...
We've had product tampering, Anthrax and 911..
I'm thinking we'll pull through.....
Just my 02.
In related news..
Did anyone notice the beaches in Florida? They're packed for Spring Break.
Its like playing on the rail road tracks in a long tunnel, most of the time you would probably be alright... until you weren't. Be safe out there-
Italy did not take the covid 19 virus seriously or fast enough and 2,500 people are already dead and the country is effectively shut down. In my view, we can take the advice of public health professionals and scientists and be part of the effort to shut this down as quickly as possible, or we risk being part of the reason that does not happen. To each his own. I'm healthy and would love to go to SAAC 45, but unless the situation in north america turns around by then, I won't be there.
It's too early to make a call on the Convention but it more likely is going to be shut down before hand.
The guidance of some states of blocking meetings of people of more then 10 is likely to be a national one once the Feds create a national standardized policy. At this moment they have not.
San Francisco is already shut down completely and NYC MAY follow shortly?
Everyone needs to consider that unless the situation turns around very quickly, then restaurants will be closed except for take out.
Some hotels have already furloughed their employees and then there will be the question of lack of hotels facilities. Yesterday is was Marriott.
The track itself will likely be closed such as other sporting facilities have been and even camp grounds likely will be restricted.
So everyone can attempt to be positive since there is a little time still to make a call but at some point everyone will need to face the reality that the decision will be, that it won't be our decision, the decision will already have been made for us.
At some point it's just going to be irresponsible to think that this can still be held despite the current situation? It may be "possible" to reschedule the Convention for later in the year though...maybe?
Predicting what is going to happen is in many ways self defeating. It is just unknown how deadly the virus is or will be. There simply is no data that scientifically proves that this is "just" another flu infection no matter how much you hold your breath in protest and try to spin this. The current status in other countries such as China, Italy and South Korea would indicate otherwise.
A lot of things can happen in 90 days...just saying...
TOB
Quote from: TOBKOB on March 18, 2020, 09:03:33 AM
A lot of things can happen in 90 days...just saying...
TOB
A month ago there was only 1 case in the usa..... you might survive but the people you may infect might not . It is serious when they close down factories .
Quote from: jk66gt350 on March 17, 2020, 11:17:56 PM
Italy did not take the covid 19 virus seriously or fast enough and 2,500 people are already dead and the country is effectively shut down. In my view, we can take the advice of public health professionals and scientists and be part of the effort to shut this down as quickly as possible, or we risk being part of the reason that does not happen. To each his own. I'm healthy and would love to go to SAAC 45, but unless the situation in north america turns around by then, I won't be there.
Well said.
Hey, it's in JUNE! Might be all passed by then.
Hopefully SAAC45l will go ahead as planned. These events take a lot of planning and volunteer hours. However, I would not be surprised if the politicians and health officials pull the plug. Hawaii relies on tourism as its primary economic resource but the government is discouraging visitors and has already closed the Arizona Memorial, all entertainment venues (shows, movie theaters, luaus, hiking trails like Diamond Head and such), asked for bars and restaurants to close with only take out service for restaurants. Schools (government and private) are extending spring break. As of today, 14 cases Statewide, no deaths. Cruise ships have to have disembarking passengers health screened. More edicts forthcoming. The hope is that this will all be rescinded beyond 30 days, but no guarantee. 8)
Quote from: Don Johnston on March 18, 2020, 03:21:30 PM
Hopefully SAAC45l will go ahead as planned. These events take a lot of planning and volunteer hours. However, I would not be surprised if the politicians and health officials pull the plug. Hawaii relies on tourism as its primary economic resource but the government is discouraging visitors and has already closed the Arizona Memorial, all entertainment venues (shows, movie theaters, luaus, hiking trails like Diamond Head and such), asked for bars and restaurants to close with only take out service for restaurants. Schools (government and private) are extending spring break. As of today, 14 cases Statewide, no deaths. Cruise ships have to have disembarking passengers health screened. More edicts forthcoming. The hope is that this will all be rescinded beyond 30 days, but no guarantee. 8)
Dude! The ENTIRE MARRIOTT HOTEL CHAIN has furloughed ALL of it's employees. ALL! Others to follow shortly. Where are tourists going to stay? You CAN NOT sleep on the beach.
When is reality going to hit? When Martial Law is declared? You can't go anywhere until this clears. :o
Jay,will Indy let us camp overnight in the pits? Won't be the first time I've slept next to a vehicle in a trailer!
kim
Kim,
Email pitcrew@saac.com with your question.
Jay
Quote from: Don Johnston on March 18, 2020, 03:21:30 PM
Hopefully SAAC45l will go ahead as planned. These events take a lot of planning and volunteer hours. However, I would not be surprised if the politicians and health officials pull the plug. Hawaii relies on tourism as its primary economic resource but the government is discouraging visitors and has already closed the Arizona Memorial, all entertainment venues (shows, movie theaters, luaus, hiking trails like Diamond Head and such), asked for bars and restaurants to close with only take out service for restaurants. Schools (government and private) are extending spring break. As of today, 14 cases Statewide, no deaths. Cruise ships have to have disembarking passengers health screened. More edicts forthcoming. The hope is that this will all be rescinded beyond 30 days, but no guarantee. 8)
Not discounting the problem...just the hysteria.
Where in America could the air possibly be cleaner than on a hiking trail to Diamond Head (or in Fl Keys, or Alaska wilderness, etc?) It's surrounded by ocean and usually windy as hell.
Or, if Coronavirus really is truly hysterically bad (worse than the Black Plague, in other words) we're all screwed anyway. A hike or two isn't going to make any difference.
All just my opinion. Others should certainly believe and act as they see fit. No judgment on wanting to protect one's family.
Be well everyone, and I hope you will still try and have some fun.
Education is key.
Straight from the CDC web site:
How COVID-19 Spreads
Person-to-person spread
The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.
Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.
These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs.
Can someone spread the virus without being sick?
People are thought to be most contagious when they are most symptomatic (the sickest).
Some spread might be possible before people show symptoms; there have been reports of this occurring with this new coronavirus, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.
Spread from contact with contaminated surfaces or objects
It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.
How easily the virus spreads
How easily a virus spreads from person-to-person can vary. Some viruses are highly contagious (spread easily), like measles, while other viruses do not spread as easily. Another factor is whether the spread is sustained, spreading continually without stopping.
The virus that causes COVID-19 seems to be spreading easily and sustainably in the community ("community spread") in some affected geographic areas.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmission.html
I don't discount any of those facts. Just trying to maintain my sense of balance and feel like a human, not a petri dish.
We all gotta do what we gotta do.
All the best to you and everyone.
The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful.
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 18, 2020, 03:43:45 PM
Quote from: Don Johnston on March 18, 2020, 03:21:30 PM
Hopefully SAAC45l will go ahead as planned. These events take a lot of planning and volunteer hours. However, I would not be surprised if the politicians and health officials pull the plug. Hawaii relies on tourism as its primary economic resource but the government is discouraging visitors and has already closed the Arizona Memorial, all entertainment venues (shows, movie theaters, luaus, hiking trails like Diamond Head and such), asked for bars and restaurants to close with only take out service for restaurants. Schools (government and private) are extending spring break. As of today, 14 cases Statewide, no deaths. Cruise ships have to have disembarking passengers health screened. More edicts forthcoming. The hope is that this will all be rescinded beyond 30 days, but no guarantee. 8)
Dude! The ENTIRE MARRIOTT HOTEL CHAIN has furloughed ALL of it's employees. ALL! Others to follow shortly. Where are tourists going to stay? You CAN NOT sleep on the beach.
When is reality going to hit? When Martial Law is declared? You can't go anywhere until this clears. :o
Good thing I am staying at the Holiday Inn Express.......;)
This conversation is borderline funny, but it is serious. I don't know any of the peeps commenting here, but if I were to guess, I would say the average age is 10 years old. DO you remember the days when you would ask you mother if you could go out and play, and she said no, then you would ask you father and he would say yes? In reading this, it seems like this is the case. LOL
You better be careful. Angry liberals aren't very nice. They'll probably boot you too.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on March 18, 2020, 07:41:51 PM
This conversation is borderline funny, but it is serious. I don't know any of the peeps commenting here, but if I were to guess, I would say the average age is 10 years old. DO you remember the days when you would ask you mother if you could go out and play, and she said no, then you would ask you father and he would say yes? In reading this, it seems like this is the case. LOL
Yep.
Click on the Gif below.
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 18, 2020, 03:43:45 PM
Quote from: Don Johnston on March 18, 2020, 03:21:30 PM
Hopefully SAAC45l will go ahead as planned. These events take a lot of planning and volunteer hours. However, I would not be surprised if the politicians and health officials pull the plug. Hawaii relies on tourism as its primary economic resource but the government is discouraging visitors and has already closed the Arizona Memorial, all entertainment venues (shows, movie theaters, luaus, hiking trails like Diamond Head and such), asked for bars and restaurants to close with only take out service for restaurants. Schools (government and private) are extending spring break. As of today, 14 cases Statewide, no deaths. Cruise ships have to have disembarking passengers health screened. More edicts forthcoming. The hope is that this will all be rescinded beyond 30 days, but no guarantee. 8)
Dude! The ENTIRE MARRIOTT HOTEL CHAIN has furloughed ALL of it's employees. ALL! Others to follow shortly. Where are tourists going to stay? You CAN NOT sleep on the beach.
When is reality going to hit? When Martial Law is declared? You can't go anywhere until this clears. :o
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 18, 2020, 07:21:24 AM
It's too early to make a call on the Convention but it more likely is going to be shut down before hand.
The guidance of some states of blocking meetings of people of more then 10 is likely to be a national one once the Feds create a national standardized policy. At this moment they have not.
San Francisco is already shut down completely and NYC MAY follow shortly?
Everyone needs to consider that unless the situation turns around very quickly, then restaurants will be closed except for take out.
Some hotels have already furloughed their employees and then there will be the question of lack of hotels facilities. Yesterday is was Marriott.
The track itself will likely be closed such as other sporting facilities have been and even camp grounds likely will be restricted.
So everyone can attempt to be positive since there is a little time still to make a call but at some point everyone will need to face the reality that the decision will be, that it won't be our decision, the decision will already have been made for us.
At some point it's just going to be irresponsible to think that this can still be held despite the current situation? It may be "possible" to reschedule the Convention for later in the year though...maybe?
Predicting what is going to happen is in many ways self defeating. It is just unknown how deadly the virus is or will be. There simply is no data that scientifically proves that this is "just" another flu infection no matter how much you hold your breath in protest and try to spin this. The current status in other countries such as China, Italy and South Korea would indicate otherwise.
Shelbydoug has a excellent insight on what's going on. Many people are just brushing this off as a bad flu.....it'll pass in a few months, but this is historic! As big as it get's in the past 100 years. This is way bigger than "the great recession" and way bigger than many other significantly bad events in the previous 100 years. I hope we only wind up in a major recession, cause that is already here. I just hope we don't slide into depression. When you shit can the global oil industry, you destroy the airlines, hotels, travel industry and you virtually shut down the entire world economy for who knows how long, I just can't see any other out come other than a depression.
I hope I'm wrong, I really do, but this is catastrophically bad on so many levels, I just don't see an alternative outcome.
F#ck, I can't wait till summer gets here so I can go drive my cars and enjoy the simpler things in life.
QSS
Everything is F@rked up right now and the Virus is real and peeps need to just hibernate a few weeks so the medical community can deal.
Look at Italy,.. hundreds more Dead today.
How could that not "ring the bell."
Counties are instituting curfew hours from 9 PM to 5 AM start this weekend. Visiting cruise ships on way back to home ports (for 30 day shut down) are not being allowed to have passengers disembark. Spring break vacationers at least do not have a 14 day quarantine as other Pacific region locations have. Businesses, especially small ones, are starting to hurt and we are only in the early stages. 8)
Cancel it - The lawyers will be licking their chops & coming after SAAC & it's board if someone goes and gets sick (or worse) dies. Not worth it
I am rinsing my car with Purell and using Clorox wipes on the interior to protect it. Now I am concerned if my computer gets a virus. 8)
Quote from: stephen_becker on March 18, 2020, 11:35:34 PM
Cancel it - The lawyers will be licking their chops & coming after SAAC & it's board if someone goes and gets sick (or worse) dies. Not worth it
You hit the nail on the head - "
the lawyers." If things haven't changed for the better by convention time the lawyers will probably talk SAAC into cancelling... if the local government doesn't beat them to the punch.
Steve
Here's what I think.
We can't continue on lockdown forever. In fact, maybe only a few weeks?
IF everyone could be tested NOW, those that are negative could be ok to go about their regular business.
First off, there aren't enough tests available and even if there were, it takes time to get one done.
Second, the requirements for being given a test need to be relaxed. We need to admit that there are large numbers of "undocumented" people in the US that essentially are hiding from the INS.
They need to be tested too. Everyone needs to be able to "drive up", request a test and be anonymous with just a contact number.
Maybe a way to show everyone you tested negative is in order?
Being tagged however does bring concerns. It would be temporary and social pressure would be put on people to show that test result.
Unfortunately what was done in Germany with Jews being marked with the star of David come to mind is a terrible thought? Of course that needs to be avoided at all costs but if you were standing on line at the grocery store waiting to check out others would feel more comfortable with you.
Social distancing is only going to work for a short time. You can't keep major places of employment shut down indefinitely and something needs to be done immediately.
The current "shut down" plan is only going to work very temporarily in order to give the Medical folks time to catch up and get a head of this as much as possible?
The current New Rochelle model requires a prescription, an appointment and a car to drive up in. That needs to be modified. It doesn't work in NYC where there are large numbers of undocumented, folks with no doctor, and those who don't drive or own a car.
This needs to be a substantial medical/social solution with eliminating politics as much as possible. Otherwise we are stuck in lockdown indefinately and society will begin to break down entirely?
i would like to give you guys infos from europe , we are all in quarantine ,in france you can get 135 euros fine if you have no paper justifying you are going to work or getting food ,problem is not if you individually can survive from this virus , problem is overcrowding the hospital and getting doctors and nurses sick , not enough material for respiratory assistance ,and not able to treat the normal "health clients" that usally coming to the hospital , and then , doctors will have to choose witch patient deserve to survive or left dying... because we don't have enough ressources to take care of every body , it's a matter of not thinking only about ourself but to the whole community .
It took me one week to hear and understand this, i was first reacting like some of you , well i won't stop my life cause of this , and then i and our gouvernements understood the situation and reacted accordingly , the faster you'll do the same in USA , the faster we all go through this hard time.
Reread post #10...this can go either way...stay safe... :)
TOB
Quote from: TOBKOB on March 19, 2020, 08:38:46 AM
Reread post #10...this can go either way...stay safe... :)
TOB
I agree, this can go either way.
Option #1 - Bad
Option #2 - Worse
QSS
Quote from: TOBKOB on March 19, 2020, 08:38:46 AM
Reread post #10...this can go either way...stay safe... :)
TOB
This and post #10 dangerous thinking.
JMHO
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 19, 2020, 08:05:59 AM
Maybe a way to show everyone you tested negative is in order?
Being tagged however does bring concerns. It would be temporary and social pressure would be put on people to show that test result.
Someone could be tested negative and contract the next day, so tagging wouldn't be a safe measure.
Quote from: CharlesTurner on March 19, 2020, 10:12:46 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 19, 2020, 08:05:59 AM
Maybe a way to show everyone you tested negative is in order?
Being tagged however does bring concerns. It would be temporary and social pressure would be put on people to show that test result.
Someone could be tested negative and contract the next day, so tagging wouldn't be a safe measure.
Don't forget false positives.
Look at this disaster. It's shocking to the senses.
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/03/nj-family-loses-3rd-member-to-coronavirus-as-devastation-continues.html
50 million died from the flu in one year too. I am not downplaying it affects on those with underlying conditions. However, I don't see a reason for panic.
It's a time for calm and common sense. P.S. Avoid Chinese Fetus and bat soup, as well as monkey meat. Keep your hands clean and moisturized and keep them away from your eyes and mouth.
90 % of the members are in high risk age group / I highly doubt the track will be available but i hope I am wrong by then.
Quote from: stephen_becker on March 18, 2020, 11:35:34 PM
Cancel it - The lawyers will be licking their chops & coming after SAAC & it's board if someone goes and gets sick (or worse) dies. Not worth it
You hit the nail on the head - "
the lawyers." If things haven't changed for the better by convention time the lawyers will probably talk SAAC into cancelling... if the local government doesn't beat them to the punch.
Steve
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I told a couple of lawyers at our firm that lawyers are not worth anything in a pandemic. Law enforcement, the military, over the road truckers, (and rail) medical staff and food suppliers are worth everything. They got a little upset with my analysis.
Must be about the money. I am not going. My life is way more important than a fun weekend.
Like the ad says, would you get on a plane knowing that there is a 50/50 chance of crashing.
Yes, the media pushed a little far, just to make one guy look bad, but not knowing, I choose to like the 362 days in my life better than 3 days of fun.
For old men, I am hearing children.
Very well stated
Quote from: 67 GT350 on March 19, 2020, 01:07:21 PM
Must be about the money. I am not going. My life is way more important than a fun weekend.
Like the ad says, would you get on a plane knowing that there is a 50/50 chance of crashing.
Yes, the media pushed a little far, just to make one guy look bad, but not knowing, I choose to like the 362 days in my life better than 3 days of fun.
For old men, I am hearing children.
Quote from: deathsled on March 19, 2020, 12:49:25 PM
I told a couple of lawyers at our firm that lawyers are not worth anything in a pandemic. Law enforcement, the military, over the road truckers, (and rail) medical staff and food suppliers are worth everything. They got a little upset with my analysis.
Well...one thing for sure, there are more lawyers around then you can shake a stick at.
"More then guitar pickers in Nashville. More then red ants on a Tennessee anthill" - Lovin Spoonful 'Nashville Cats'.
Don't rile them up. They'll stampede and beat you to death with their brief cases.
Murphy's corollary 37. "If you can't do it, teach it. If you can't teach it administrate". If you can't do sh it, become a lawyer. (Dougism)
Quick. Go send them flowers and candy before they retaliate?
The administration of the generic and inexpensive anti-malarial hydroxychloroquine is starting to show good results in the treatment of COVID-19.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/186Bel9RqfsmEx55FDum4xY_IlWSHnGbj/view
https://www.newsweek.com/hydroxychloroquine-malaria-drug-coronavirus-fda-1493293
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6142886572001/?playlist_id=5198073478001
If that is true the hysteria should be over soon. Oh wait , we can fix it that simply , we need to have a MORE EXPENSIVE vaccine for "economic recovery". I can't wait 'til things get back to normal and all of the knee jerkers black eyes heal. I also heard good old vitamin C and a zinc supplement does wonders. That also would be too cheap of a solution. YES this is still serious but NOT the end of civilization as we know it. God save the toilet paper.
Quote from: Jim Herrud on March 19, 2020, 02:15:42 PM
The administration of the generic and inexpensive anti-malarial hydroxychloroquine is starting to show good results in the treatment of COVID-19.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/186Bel9RqfsmEx55FDum4xY_IlWSHnGbj/view
https://www.newsweek.com/hydroxychloroquine-malaria-drug-coronavirus-fda-1493293
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6142886572001/?playlist_id=5198073478001
Lets see....Fox News vs the CDC.....Hmmmmmmmm........ (https://emoticons.datahamster.com/shrug.gif)
I saw it on the internet , it HAS to be true ;D
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 19, 2020, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: deathsled on March 19, 2020, 12:49:25 PM
I told a couple of lawyers at our firm that lawyers are not worth anything in a pandemic. Law enforcement, the military, over the road truckers, (and rail) medical staff and food suppliers are worth everything. They got a little upset with my analysis.
Well...one thing for sure, there are more lawyers around then you can shake a stick at.
"More then guitar pickers in Nashville. More then red ants on a Tennessee anthill" - Lovin Spoonful 'Nashville Cats'.
Don't rile them up. They'll stampede and beat you to death with their brief cases.
Murphy's corollary 37. "If you can't do it, teach it. If you can't teach it administrate". If you can't do sh it, become a lawyer. (Dougism)
Quick. Go send them flowers and candy before they retaliate?
Yes, common as flies. I spent a good couple of hours near them in a small meeting room to discuss the courts closing and cases etc. I stood outside by the door refusing to go in.
QuoteReread post #10...this can go either way...stay safe... :)
TOB
I agree, this can go either way.
Option #1 - Bad
Option #2 - Worse
Option #3- Everything's OK and getting back to normal
I'm hoping for #3 while I'm taking precautions but not hysterical... :)
We'll see what it is like in late June...It may not be over but I'll bet it won't be the end of humanity... :)
TOB
Quote from: TOBKOB on March 19, 2020, 07:34:25 PM
QuoteReread post #10...this can go either way...stay safe... :)
TOB
I agree, this can go either way.
Option #1 - Bad
Option #2 - Worse
Option #3- Everything's OK and getting back to normal
I'm hoping for #3 while I'm taking precautions but not hysterical... :)
We'll see what it is like in late June...It may not be over but I'll bet it won't be the end of humanity... :)
TOB
You would think it was the Bubonic plague.
Quote from: TOBKOB on March 19, 2020, 07:34:25 PM
QuoteReread post #10...this can go either way...stay safe... :)
TOB
I agree, this can go either way.
Option #1 - Bad
Option #2 - Worse
Option #3- Everything's OK and getting back to normal
I'm hoping for #3 while I'm taking precautions but not hysterical... :)
We'll see what it is like in late June...It may not be over but I'll bet it won't be the end of humanity... :)
TOB
This absolutely will not be the end of humanity. Not even close. An extremely high percentage of the population is going to survive and be just fine (unless Covid 19 mutates into something worse).
What we a entering into is a massive recession and possibly a depression. You can not shut down the majority of the world economy for weeks, months or longer and expect us to just bounce back and resume like nothing happened. No one is using the "depression" word cause were all too scared to even think that might happen. We came within a whisker of a depression back in 08/09. This pandemic is catastrophically more
economically devastating than the great recession of 08/09.
Think about it, 90% of the population is suddenly financially stressed or insolvent. 10% of the population is doing just fine and will weather the storm. 90% of the population, becoming insolvent, will shit can the world economy-------->> Depression!!!
We're not all gonna die, not even remotely close. Were all gonna live!! Economically, the world is having a massive stroke right now. It's gonna take years to learn to talk and get over the economic paralysis that has just begun. Years of recovery! Who's paying for the trillion dollars worth of help? Right now nobody is. Every government around the world is just printing money. Nobody is paying for it right now but down the road,.... watch out!!! I predict 8 to 10 years to
stabilize from the economic devastation from this pandemic.
I freakin hope I'm wrong and I hope you all give me shit for it in 2021 but damn!!!
QSS
When's summer gonna get here? I gotta go out and drive.
+1 to the last three posts, plus Randy and others who have expressed restraint of panic.
I agree with being sensible and taking precautions for one's family. Each person should do what they think is best. This is not a time to point fingers or assess blame on those who think differently from you.
We will come out of this, health wise. Is definitely is not the Black Plague.
Panic is not your friend.
Hang in there and try to have some fun with your families in the meantime. Having the kids and parents home together can create great memories for the future. Or, they can drive everyone crazy. ;)
All just IMO.
According to "Autoweek", it is possible that the Indy 500 may not run on May 24. So far the KY Derby has been rescheduled to September 6. Whether the 24 Hours of Le Mans will go as scheduled in mid-June will be decided by mid-April. California Gov. has grounded the entire State directing everyone to stay home for the next two weeks. May happen soon in Hawaii as well. Watch and wait. 8)
Its official California is the first state in the union to lock down 40 million people... Shelter in place. No food to be had in stores unless you want to live on freezer pops and whiskey. :-\
Whisky pops are great but if you can get a hold of cough syrup with codeine in it, those make the best frozen pops! Try some. They're great. ;)
You need to fill the time somehow?
Don't forget you can always drive to the distillery in Hector, NY. I would venture to guess the wineries have to-go windows open. lol
Quote from: The Going Thing on March 20, 2020, 08:20:23 AM
Don't forget you can always drive to the distillery in Hector, NY. I would venture to guess the wineries have to-go windows open. lol
I believe in being responsible with my abuses.
Well, if you're not tipping the bottle to and fro, or spill It. Now that would constitute abuse. I think I may come up to the nice part of NY and spend some time with my stepdaughter. Sadly, I have to come into Ickyca ( Ithaca) and back and on to Big Flats.
Quote from: The Going Thing on March 20, 2020, 08:49:09 AM
Well, if you're not tipping the bottle to and fro, or spill It. Now that would constitute abuse. I think I may come up to the nice part of NY and spend some time with my stepdaughter. Sadly, I have to come into Ickyca ( Ithaca) and back and on to Big Flats.
Then I think that you may need medication to help you through the trauma of the trip however consider that paranoia can be a lingering result of a previous medicated solution and that introducing another might not be advisable anyway?
I'm not sure that what we have here in NY is air bound or you actually need to touch someone to get it? I don't think there is any data on that?
NOT "shelter in place" , it is "stay at home" . Some of us are allowed to keep businesses open and go to work. Grocery stores ARE open though shorter hours. take out food is no problem for the moment.
^^^^^ I look at that statement as the same thing. No work , no money, no food in any of the stores, convenience stores, or even liquor stores. There are a few cup of noodle containers at various gas stations tho. :-\
Canadian government just announced they will be closing the Canada US border to nonessential travel. Additionally, anyone crossing the boarder illegally will be returned to the United States.
Yes many wineries up this way, and Coumo must protect the only things he cares about in Upstate. I think that is all he thinks is in Upstate.
The only thing Cuomo wants from the twin tiers is the property and school taxes. Otherwise, they're like the red-headed stepchild. Punished and taxed to a point many can't even afford to maintain their homes. You know the area. They are crumbling. If they do renovate on the exterior the assessor is on us like the Virus.
Quote from: 427heaven on March 19, 2020, 11:24:48 PM
Its official California is the first state in the union to lock down 40 million people... Shelter in place. No food to be had in stores unless you want to live on freezer pops and whiskey. :-\
Their seems to be just as many people out and about in So. Cal as their was yesterday and I'm seeing
Plenty of food in the groceries.
Quote from: The Going Thing on March 20, 2020, 12:23:54 PM
The only thing Cuomo wants from the twin tiers is the property and school taxes. Otherwise, they're like the red-headed stepchild. Punished and taxed to a point many can't even afford to maintain their homes. You know the area. They are crumbling. If they do renovate on the exterior the assessor is on us like the Virus.
You are so right!!!! We should be all out of New York State by the end of the year, if not sooner!
Gee, maybe the police should stay in the headquarters and only go on calls, suspend their DWI patrols, suspend their speed traps....Times are tuff, give the people a break from the "little" things.
Quote from: pchmotoho on March 20, 2020, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: 427heaven on March 19, 2020, 11:24:48 PM
Its official California is the first state in the union to lock down 40 million people... Shelter in place. No food to be had in stores unless you want to live on freezer pops and whiskey. :-\
Their seems to be just as many people out and about in So. Cal as their was yesterday and I'm seeing
Plenty of food in the groceries.
The Santa Clarita valley has about 5-10 percent left on shelves. :-\
+1 As I mentioned in reply #62. Yes fewer ( by 50%) on the freeway this week. This isn't "martial law" and panic in the streets time. California ALONE has FORTY times the population if Italy and I guarantee you our overall quality of living is better than theirs! Proportionally we will lose less people than their entire country. State wide we probably have as many BIRTHS than the amount they have lost to the virus IN ONE DAY Come on people "doom and gloom" is not on the horizon. The sky is NOT falling.
Quote from: gt350hr on March 20, 2020, 02:43:49 PM
+1 As I mentioned in reply #62. Yes fewer ( by 50%) on the freeway this week. This isn't "martial law" and panic in the streets time. California ALONE has FORTY times the population if Italy and I guarantee you our overall quality of living is better than theirs! Proportionally we will lose less people than their entire country. State wide we probably have as many BIRTHS than the amount they have lost to the virus IN ONE DAY Come on people "doom and gloom" is not on the horizon. The sky is NOT falling.
Hear, Hear!
The CDC information shared by their representative is also coming to fruition. It looks like there is a cure. Strangely enough, it's the same products used to treat the H1N1 virus and the recovery has been in the 5-8 day range. Thank God there looks to be light at the end of this tunnel.
I left in 1985 and never looked back. Had a great childhood in CNY but once I became a tax payer, not so much.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on March 20, 2020, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: The Going Thing on March 20, 2020, 12:23:54 PM
The only thing Cuomo wants from the twin tiers is the property and school taxes. Otherwise, they're like the red-headed stepchild. Punished and taxed to a point many can't even afford to maintain their homes. You know the area. They are crumbling. If they do renovate on the exterior the assessor is on us like the Virus.
You are so right!!!! We should be all out of New York State by the end of the year, if not sooner!
Just so you are aware the population of Italy is actually a little more than 60 M people, 1.5 times California's population - not 1 M as your statement implies (California ALONE has FORTY times the population if Italy). That changes your comparisons a little.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
some numbers to keep ya busy
Quote from: gt350shelb on March 21, 2020, 10:03:09 AM
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
some numbers to keep ya busy
Thanks.
More Interesting reading;
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/
BTW, In case you were curious like I was;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin
2112: Your first link was taken down. The second works.
Quote from: The Going Thing on March 21, 2020, 01:00:57 PM
2112: Your first link was taken down. The second works.
I think I fixed it.
Copy 5X. Now they're going to call you a 'Racist' too for posting facts. lol
Quote from: 2112 on March 21, 2020, 11:50:52 AM
Quote from: gt350shelb on March 21, 2020, 10:03:09 AM
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
some numbers to keep ya busy
Thanks.
More Interesting reading;
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/
BTW, In case you were curious like I was;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin
Interesting reading indeed.
Here's the problem. You have genius scientist in all different fields around the world and they regularly sound the alarm about catastrophic emerging dangers. As a society, we don't listen until the shit hits the fan. Typical.
Maybe something good will come out of all of this.
QSS
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on March 21, 2020, 08:05:53 PM
Quote from: 2112 on March 21, 2020, 11:50:52 AM
Quote from: gt350shelb on March 21, 2020, 10:03:09 AM
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
some numbers to keep ya busy
Thanks.
More Interesting reading;
There is too much pseudo-science and theory. That is what most of us dismiss. Like Global Warming. We have had cycles for as long as we have been keeping records. Some more severe.
As for COVID. The issue is the Chinese covered it up for several months. The usual talking arseholes reporters are more concerned with political correctness and screaming racism because it was called what it is. The Chinese flu.
I am just praying that we can recover in short order.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/
BTW, In case you were curious like I was;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin
Interesting reading indeed.
Here's the problem. You have genius scientist in all different fields around the world and they regularly sound the alarm about catastrophic emerging dangers. As a society, we don't listen until the shit hits the fan. Typical.
Maybe something good will come out of all of this.
QSS
Hawaii is closed for now. Governor and mayors have sent out notices that all returning residents and any visitors must isolate themselves in a home or hotel room for 14 days. Misdemeanor enforcement. Information and temperature testing of all arrivals. To be enforced for at least 30 days and probably at least through April. Remember, aloha also means goodbye. The shutdown is being done to hopefully reduce a major increase in CorVid cases and overload of emergency and hospital services. Shortage of medical supplies getting worrisome.
We don't want everything that other places have to share. 8)
Well, I wish all the best.
I can tell you that my household is self quarantined. We are four adults and one 2 year old.
Four of us are infected with something resembling an upper respiratory cold with some flu symptoms.
Now the medical people are telling us, don't bother to test for "the virus". If we have it, the treatment will be the same as for flu and we can do that ourselves.
The issue is that we have two with immune difficency concerns. One is my grandson with muscular dystrophy. There that is a concern for his breathing ability under normal circumstances for him.
There is a traceable route through my daughter to a positive exposure. Her place of work is now shut down as a result.
So far, this is more annoying then anything. I try and go work on my cars for as long as I can stand then need to go rest for a few hours.
So all the procedures that we took as far as washing hands, social distancing, etc, have not eliminated this infection, whatever it is. So we're riding it out.
After this clears enough to get data, the medical people will be able to answer the technical questions on exactly what went down. For now, even they are without specific answers.
We are kind of on our own since there is such a shortage of what we need, including income. Someone in charge got caught completely with their pants down and I would say that there will be accountability. Someone was supposed to be in charge and know what to do?
So I wish you all the best in riding this out and I hope none of you get anything, but if you do, hang in there. We haven't been hit with the hammer yet but we don't know what's coming yet.
If you see me in the driveway working on one of the cars...best to keep going by and not stop to ask questions. Just sayin'. ;)
i wish you and your family a quick recovery !.
Doug, I hope you and your family recover quickly and can get back to normal.
The financial fallout from this is going to be massive. Once the threat of the illness has subsided, and it will, there will be economic repercussions for years to come.
Hang in there Doug and family !
;D
Doug, I am confident you will recover and best to your family
Prayers to you and yours
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 22, 2020, 07:30:13 AM
Well, I wish all the best.
I can tell you that my household is self quarantined. We are four adults and one 2 year old.
Four of us are infected with something resembling an upper respiratory cold with some flu symptoms.
Now the medical people are telling us, don't bother to test for "the virus". If we have it, the treatment will be the same as for flu and we can do that ourselves.
The issue is that we have two with immune difficency concerns. One is my grandson with muscular dystrophy. There that is a concern for his breathing ability under normal circumstances for him.
There is a traceable route through my daughter to a positive exposure. Her place of work is now shut down as a result.
So far, this is more annoying then anything. I try and go work on my cars for as long as I can stand then need to go rest for a few hours.
So all the procedures that we took as far as washing hands, social distancing, etc, have not eliminated this infection, whatever it is. So we're riding it out.
After this clears enough to get data, the medical people will be able to answer the technical questions on exactly what went down. For now, even they are without specific answers.
We are kind of on our own since there is such a shortage of what we need, including income. Someone in charge got caught completely with their pants down and I would say that there will be accountability. Someone was supposed to be in charge and know what to do?
So I wish you all the best in riding this out and I hope none of you get anything, but if you do, hang in there. We haven't been hit with the hammer yet but we don't know what's coming yet.
If you see me in the driveway working on one of the cars...best to keep going by and not stop to ask questions. Just sayin'. ;)
Take it VERY SERIOUSLY folks it is not a democratic hoax like our fearless leader has suggested. My 27 year old nephew in New York just got it and my aunt in Italy has it. They were not careless people doing careless things, just stay away from each other for awhile no matter if you feel invincible or not.
Quote from: 427heaven on March 22, 2020, 10:00:48 AM
Take it VERY SERIOUSLY folks it is not a democratic hoax like our fearless leader has suggested. My 27 year old nephew in New York just got it and my aunt in Italy has it. They were not careless people doing careless things, just stay away from each other for awhile no matter if you feel invincible or not.
those that don't are called Covidiots-the people who think this is a hoax or overblown. Who have no problem going to a beach for spring break. Gary
Quote from: 427heaven on March 22, 2020, 10:00:48 AM
Take it VERY SERIOUSLY folks it is not a democratic hoax like our fearless leader has suggested. My 27 year old nephew in New York just got it and my aunt in Italy has it. They were not careless people doing careless things, just stay away from each other for awhile no matter if you feel invincible or not.
I'm happy our "fearless leader" closed down China travel while the Democrats called the move racist, un-American, anti-immigration and he was causing a panic...
Just my .02
QuoteI'm happy our "fearless leader" closed down China travel while the Democrats called the move racist, un-American, anti-immigration and he was causing a panic...
Just my .02
+1
TOB
Quote from: capecodmustang.com on March 22, 2020, 10:35:33 AM
Quote from: 427heaven on March 22, 2020, 10:00:48 AM
Take it VERY SERIOUSLY folks it is not a democratic hoax like our fearless leader has suggested. My 27 year old nephew in New York just got it and my aunt in Italy has it. They were not careless people doing careless things, just stay away from each other for awhile no matter if you feel invincible or not.
I'm happy our "fearless leader" closed down China travel while the Democrats called the move racist, un-American, anti-immigration and he was causing a panic...
Just my .02
There IS going to be accountability in the end. Not by me, but the American people will decide.
ANYONE with ANY military experience will tell you that you do not want a "situation" (for lack of a better term), to happen on your watch.
For someone "that only I can fix it", well bunky, put up or shut up...NOW!
If you want to live in this Fox News, Sean Hanity, fantasy world, it's your choice. The reflection then is not of the POTUS, it's on YOU!
Just sayin.
This thread is heading down the toilet real fast.
QSS
Why why why does it have to devolve into a political discussion?
Please stop
Its funny how its always the same dozen people. By not encouraging any standards, we have gotten what we deserve.
Its a car forum. I dont give a damn about your political perspectives
Quote from: Coralsnake on March 22, 2020, 11:02:00 AM
Why why why does it have to devolve into a political discussion?
Please stop
Its funny how its always the same dozen people. By not encouraging any standards, we have gotten what we deserve.
Its a car forum. I dont give a damn a out your political perspectives
The virus isn't a political situation? Really? Everything in life is politics.
There IS a moderator here. He can push a button if he likes and...yea probably he will?
I would. This is all just too explosive?
There is no moderation.
Read it again, I never shared my views whether or not it was political. I dont share my politics here.
If there was moderation, those 12 people would have been gone a long time ago.
Tell me again how your political views have anything to do with vintage Shelbys?
The problem really isn't having a political viewpoint - everyone should have one. The issue is the venomous attitude targeted at those who have a different viewpoint. So that's what politics has to do with vintage Shelby's - like a Cobra people are acting like venomous snakes!
I find it amusing the people complaining about the Shelby Club "running off" people are actually the same ones dominating the conversations with non car related topics.
Maybe there is a correlation?
Quote from: Coralsnake on March 22, 2020, 11:11:36 AM
There is no moderation.
Read it again, I never shared my views whether or not it was political. I dont share my politics here.
If there was moderation, those 12 people would have been gone a long time ago.
Tell me again how your political views have anything to do with vintage Shelbys?
I believe that "classic vehicles" should not be legislated out of existance. That IS a political position.
I'm actually ok with a moderator pulling all political statements here INCLUDING my own but I do acknowledge that is a difficult thing to do since it crosses over into so many things?
Remember the statement from "club headquarters" regarding not cancelling the convention? Didn't it state that it depends of the political actions of the Governor of Indiana?
I vote for a moderator, yes. He only seems to pull my posts on non-political items?
Well, 427 Heaven. Of course, you didn't blame the Chinese Communist Government for hiding the issue? This wasn't ignored as you claim. It still is no more dangerous to healthy people than the flu. Fact. No one can help your head is firmly planted in your posterior and you're an authority on absolutely nothing. Your lack of education and complete ignorant bias is clear. Over-crowded dirty cities are where this will thrive, and anytime something of this nature comes along it spreads like wildfire in them. There is no blame to be passed to Trump or anyone else in his cabinet. Cut the ignorant panic-stricken hateful political diatribe.
This sure isn't the time for your brand of parroting ignorance and misinformation.
It's time for unity, not division. You curl up in your favorite armchair with your favorite woobie, wearing your snuggie. Turn on CNN, MSNBC, ABC or whatever blame game network you choose. Those of us who have served people regardless of party affiliation and protected this nation and her people will do what we always do. Function without fear and do what it takes to protect those who can't or won't do for themselves. You can have your genitalia back from the lady in your home that wears the pants of the family, and return to your regularly scheduled hate fest when the problem solvers who love this nation more than life itself have righted it once again.
P.S. Have a nice day, sunshine!
Actually, the sun is bursting out as I speak and it would be a great day to go out in "the Shelby" and tear up the streets a little.
They are going to re-pave eventually and maybe I could make some money tearing off the pavement with the tires? I feel that is order and definitely would releave some stress and anxiety?
Here's the problem. Every time I feel better, I get a burst of energy. By the time I get my sneakers on, I run out. Just like a puppy. They just suddenly fall down in a deep sleep? I'm worried that I can still work the clutch? Anyone know about a 5s55 swap?
I hope they aren't going to cut back on gas shipments like they have done before and eliminate premium again? No one is on the road so no one is using gas?
Now if THAT isn't paranoia, what is?
Yesterday it was 4 of 5 with symtoms. Now it's 5 for 5?
I need a distraction. I've got the carbs off and I keep stripping out the inlet threads?
I need help there? Hey Keith? Where can I get the thread insert repairs? Plus I keep running out of energy. I wonder if 5 hour energy helps with this?
Doug! Live, THRIVE, EXIST! TOMORROW IS NOT PROMISED! Leave a thick cloud of smoke, some matching back marks off a few stop signs.
I got 45 minutes out on dry pavement last night. A cappuccino and a smile.. The sun is just coming through the clouds. If it drys off I am out again to burn a bit of 1.89 93 premium.
QuoteIt's time for unity, not division.
+1...Let's just all get through this together... :)
TOB
Quote from: TOBKOB on March 22, 2020, 12:03:14 PM
QuoteIt's time for unity, not division.
+1...Let's just all get through this together... :)
TOB
Can we all come over to your place? Mine's a mess.
Quote from: 427heaven on March 22, 2020, 10:00:48 AM
Take it VERY SERIOUSLY folks it is not a democratic hoax like our fearless leader has suggested. My 27 year old nephew in New York just got it and my aunt in Italy has it. They were not careless people doing careless things, just stay away from each other for awhile no matter if you feel invincible or not.
Our "fearless Leader" is one of the best and he never claimed it to be a hoax, but I bet CNN did claim that. Gee I do not remember when SARS and MERS hit any of the previous "Fearless Leaders' Doing anything.
The media's job is to report accurately, their job is NOT to make one guy look bad, which has been going on for over 3 years now. The media has been nothing but, "Crying wolf" and unfortunately this came along and the people that have been hearing that the sky is falling, we got him this time, we have "un-named sourses" just made themselves unbelievable, unfortunately when you hear "cry wolf" and the sky is falling so long, people got sick of it.
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 22, 2020, 11:42:31 AM
Actually, the sun is bursting out as I speak and it would be a great day to go out in "the Shelby" and tear up the streets a little.
They are going to re-pave eventually and maybe I could make some money tearing off the pavement with the tires? I feel that is order and definitely would releave some stress and anxiety?
Here's the problem. Every time I feel better, I get a burst of energy. By the time I get my sneakers on, I run out. Just like a puppy. They just suddenly fall down in a deep sleep? I'm worried that I can still work the clutch? Anyone know about a 5s55 swap?
I hope they aren't going to cut back on gas shipments like they have done before and eliminate premium again? No one is on the road so no one is using gas?
Now if THAT isn't paranoia, what is?
Yesterday it was 4 of 5 with symtoms. Now it's 5 for 5?
I need a distraction. I've got the carbs off and I keep stripping out the inlet threads?
I need help there? Hey Keith? Where can I get the thread insert repairs? Plus I keep running out of energy. I wonder if 5 hour energy helps with this?
Doug, Tell me what you need. Summit is in Arlington and the storefront is still operating. I would be glad to assist.