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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Jim Morrison's 67 GT500 AFTER 1969
« on: April 08, 2019, 09:14:09 PM »
Also, someone was driving it too. Because the mileage started at 14k in 1970, and increased to 15k when it was last advertised in October 1971.

This looks way too clear to see the car existed post 1971....

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Jim Morrison's 67 GT500 AFTER 1969
« on: March 22, 2019, 09:53:41 AM »
The timeframe of his death matches what I was told by someone yesterday, who was a regular at his shop in Inglewood. I've also heard others have already tracked down his son. I'm not aware if that revealed anything or not.

Extensive Google search reveals Ray Wolff imported at least in 1968 a venezuelan Mercer race car and by 1980 he was still around in the race scene or maybe even the Duesenberg restoration scene.

I found this later on:
" Model J - After several owners it became the property of a gentleman by the name of Ray Wolff, who began the restoration process. The late Ray Wolff is a former president of the Auburn Cord Duesenberg Club and a noted Duesenberg historian. He was one of the first automotive historians who realized that proper documentation could enhance the value of a motor car. Ray Wolff died in 1991. His obituary (by today's Duesenberg historian Fred Roe) was published in the Journal of the Society of Automotive Historians. (photo courtesy RM Auctions)"
Not saying that this is the same Ray Wolff..somewhere else they say he found the Duesi in 1962.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Jim Morrison's 67 GT500 AFTER 1969
« on: March 21, 2019, 07:52:21 PM »
I realize you are known for your snarky comments. You know the best thing about those are. It puts the post back on top. Thanks!

Like weird scenes inside the gold mine?  8)

That's 1969 status quo and we are already past that. I predict the bandwidth is smoking looking for the name Wolff.

nothing to say about something that doesn't exist

"We" aren't past that. You are. Maybe it's hidden in the Lost Dutchman Gold Mine?  8)

No. Like finding that mine is as likely as finding that car. The highest probability is that neither exist.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Jim Morrison's 67 GT500 AFTER 1969
« on: March 21, 2019, 05:25:29 PM »
Like weird scenes inside the gold mine?  8)

That's 1969 status quo and we are already past that. I predict the bandwidth is smoking looking for the name Wolff.

nothing to say about something that doesn't exist

"We" aren't past that. You are. Maybe it's hidden in the Lost Dutchman Gold Mine?  8)

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Jim Morrison's 67 GT500 AFTER 1969
« on: March 21, 2019, 03:14:21 PM »
That's 1969 status quo and we are already past that. I predict the bandwidth is smoking looking for the name Wolff.

nothing to say about something that doesn't exist

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Jim Morrison's 67 GT500 AFTER 1969
« on: March 21, 2019, 02:28:40 PM »
All I hear is crickets in here since the Ray Wolff revelation. What happened?

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Jim Morrison's 67 GT500 AFTER 1969
« on: March 20, 2019, 08:38:11 AM »
Wow, and there it is. Very cool.

This link clearly shows that he raced in 1968 under the name of Ray's Hi-Performance Center.
http://www.racingsportscars.com/driver/results/Ray-Wolff-USA.html

Obviously it makes sense that Ray Wolff has a link with that sales ad to the licence plate code of the Morrison car.
One step further ;)

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Jim Morrison's 67 GT500 AFTER 1969
« on: March 19, 2019, 06:55:30 PM »
From what I have seen Ray Wolff was at Hi-Performance Motors. There was an add where he was looking for salesmen for Cobras and Shelbys. This was Carroll Shelby and Lew Spencer's place correct? Did he leave that business and start his own not far away in Inglewood?

I assume Dave meanwhile used his tools to search the registry (hidden files) for the other JEK616 in that sales ad to find out, if that trace would take the case any further.

I wonder also if someone knows the further history line of Ray Wolffs shop at El Segundo after 68/69 through the 70ies and if there were any linked garages, that could be called Ray's Hi Performance center without being "sued" by Ray Wolff in his neighbourhood along Sepulveda Freeway.

So the question remains if one can look up the business background of this advertising Ray just to add more to the research or skip this.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Jim Morrison's 67 GT500 AFTER 1969
« on: March 18, 2019, 09:18:20 PM »
I am really seeing a coincidence here. 

We’ve owned a now 52 year old spliced together notchback racer since December 1977 that I have proven sworn history on. All 4 previous owners are alive going back to its purchase after the 1968 racing season in early 1969. It is a never delivered to dealership acapulco blue 1967 GT500 front clip welded mid floor pan to a 1968 notchback. The Ford and Shelby VINs are visible and well documented. The car was purchased in blue paint from Ray Wolff and each subsequent owner has attested to selling it to the next. What is not known is how or why did Ray Wolff splice together a GT500 front clip with a notchback rear clip? It has had a plethora of 1967-1968 TA bits and pieces on it throughout its racing history. Wolff reportedly raced it at Riverside in an SCCA National in 1968 and it was blue #9. According to hangarounds at Wolff’s shop he had rooms full of SAI parts and piles of junk everywhere. I was personally told that Wolff was capable of splicing together a race car.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Jim Morrison's 67 GT500 AFTER 1969
« on: March 18, 2019, 06:07:03 PM »
This is interesting information. Ray Wolff worked for Shelby correct? Someone here had speculated that possibly Ray Wolff was the same person as Ray's Hi-Performance Center in Inglewood. Where Morrison's Shelby was listed for-sale in the add. That would be a key-find if so.
 

We’ve owned a now 52 year old spliced together notchback racer since December 1977 that I have proven sworn history on. All 4 previous owners are alive going back to its purchase after the 1968 racing season in early 1969. It is a never delivered to dealership acapulco blue 1967 GT500 front clip welded mid floor pan to a 1968 notchback. The Ford and Shelby VINs are visible and well documented. The car was purchased in blue paint from Ray Wolff and each subsequent owner has attested to selling it to the next. What is not known is how or why did Ray Wolff splice together a GT500 front clip with a notchback rear clip? It has had a plethora of 1967-1968 TA bits and pieces on it throughout its racing history. Wolff reportedly raced it at Riverside in an SCCA National in 1968 and it was blue #9. According to hangarounds at Wolff’s shop he had rooms full of SAI parts and piles of junk everywhere. I was personally told that Wolff was capable of splicing together a race car.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Jim Morrison's 67 GT500 AFTER 1969
« on: March 18, 2019, 05:00:28 PM »
Bret only has a copy of the last known registration. Not the title of the car. I don't know is on 3rd  ;)


so lets see Bret(who has the title) and Bob say it is possible the car is still around(hey Little Red was found after even that owner was told his car didn't exist by SAAC). Another story by 939 sounds plausible. Tony is adamant the car is long gone and anything "found: would be a fake. So what am I missing here?

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Jim Morrison's 67 GT500 AFTER 1969
« on: March 18, 2019, 12:54:55 PM »
There is a well known car collector in California, that has stated several times on another forum that he knows someone (another collector) that has seen the car, and has been trying to buy it for years. It is also been said, that the person who has the car does not know what they have. It's a story, it's plausible, and the latter fits toward the wreck and front half replaced scenario.

  For instance:  I grew up in the car theft capitol of the country - south Chicago.  It was not unheard of cars disappearing, yet, it seems a certain auto wrecking yard always had engines, transmissions, and other parts, but never the chassis that carried it.  The rumors always had it that they cars chassis were torched up into little pieces and put into the scrap bin.

  I believe 939 either dissappeared this way OR it is sitting somewhere unknown to anybody with one of those crotchity old farts sitting around waiting because....I'm gonna fix it up someday.
   I do imagine though, with a good front end wreck the car might have been front - halved, so, proof will be hard to come by.  Another possibility is it is running around on the Fomoco vin.  Out of country, Canada or Mexico.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Jim Morrison's 67 GT500 AFTER 1969
« on: March 18, 2019, 10:35:14 AM »
+1

Bret owns a copy of the car's California Vehicle Registration from 1969. Apparently the last time it was registered, but not the last it was around as per the adds posted.

+1

Did everyone have a great St Patties day ! We did

the title has been find in Paris in 1971 , I thought it s been for sale sometime but i can't find when , it was on the old forum .....

Bret from CapeCod Mustang owns it.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Jim Morrison's 67 GT500 AFTER 1969
« on: March 17, 2019, 07:39:09 PM »
Agreed. I think because it is a celebrity's car makes it that much more difficult.
Plus, I consider some might not be fans of Morrison and that's fine, but as you stated they are underestimating the knowledge that's obvious on this forum.

The list of people who have tried to pull off fakes is pretty long. If there really is a conspiracy to reconstruct any car, I guess we will have to wait to see it.

Apparently, at least some forum members think that is a possibilty, I do not.

I think they underestimate the collective knowledge here. I do not, because I have been here from day one and I know how powerful that is....

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Jim Morrison's 67 GT500 AFTER 1969
« on: March 17, 2019, 04:50:02 PM »
Try their free preview. It's quite cool.

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