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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Sending good wishes to Rick Kopec
« on: May 15, 2020, 07:11:06 PM »
Best wishes Rick  . I hope you have a speedy recovery. Gary

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Silver 67 Gt350
« on: May 15, 2020, 07:00:08 PM »
My pet peeve with the Camaro is the paint always looks like a couple of shades different between the door and quarter panel... :-\

TOB
Spot on and it is because the transformation of the angle from the door to quarter do not blend. Cwertain colors are OK. Others are not. I studied that and it is the angle.

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Silver 67 Gt350
« on: May 15, 2020, 01:11:47 PM »
Your Ford egineer friend must have been responsible for all the 351W design features that somehow showed up on the LS platform. I would have expected a lot out of a Windsor designed in the late 90's as well.

I didn't say the the LS was a bad engine, I said it was ugly, much like you said the Coyote was ugly.

You did know that a Ford GT with a 3000 hp Modular engine owns the standing mile record, right?

Custom builders have been building huge power engines for decades.

I don't hate the LS engine. (I love the C7 among other GM classics) I hate the LS engine in a Ford.
Michael, my old friend NEVER worked at GM. He was fortunate to be able to map out the LS for GMPP. He left Ford in the early 90s to start his own company. He had just had his contract  ended  building off road racing trucks for Ford.  He started working on the new platform back then with a couple of others and got an open contract to map the LS. He didn't design it or work for GM at the time. Gary

I was ribbing you. But I will leave it at I really respect the LS. We have a 2011 SS Camaro and it is a fabulous car. So good, we'll never sell it.

I also love the C7. Love lots of GM Muscle (and 1 MOPAR, a '70 'cuda)

But I am, deep down, a Ford guy. And I am extremely impressed their warrantied crate engine is putting out 1.85 hp per cubic inch.
and a few Vs

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Silver 67 Gt350
« on: May 15, 2020, 01:03:06 PM »
Your Ford egineer friend must have been responsible for all the 351W design features that somehow showed up on the LS platform. I would have expected a lot out of a Windsor designed in the late 90's as well.

I didn't say the the LS was a bad engine, I said it was ugly, much like you said the Coyote was ugly.

You did know that a Ford GT with a 3000 hp Modular engine owns the standing mile record, right?

Custom builders have been building huge power engines for decades.

I don't hate the LS engine. (I love the C7 among other GM classics) I hate the LS engine in a Ford.
Michael, my old friend NEVER worked at GM. He was fortunate to be able to map out the LS for GMPP. He left Ford in the early 90s to start his own company. He had just had his contract  ended  building off road racing trucks for Ford.  He started working on the new platform back then with a couple of others and got an open contract to map the LS. He didn't design it or work for GM at the time. Gary

I was ribbing you. But I will leave it at I really respect the LS. We have a 2011 SS Camaro and it is a fabulous car. So good, we'll never sell it.

I also love the C7. Love lots of GM Muscle (and 1 MOPAR, a '70 'cuda)

But I am, deep down, a Ford guy. And I am extremely impressed their warrantied crate engine is putting out 1.85 hp per cubic inch.
8) .i have had a few Camaros home from work over the years. I like them. I like the door panel lighting at night. All were manuals(that is what I tag). My only pet peeve on a Camaro I won't mention because if you are not aware of it it might bug you. It's in the design of the body...

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Silver 67 Gt350
« on: May 15, 2020, 09:12:28 AM »
Your Ford egineer friend must have been responsible for all the 351W design features that somehow showed up on the LS platform. I would have expected a lot out of a Windsor designed in the late 90's as well.

I didn't say the the LS was a bad engine, I said it was ugly, much like you said the Coyote was ugly.

You did know that a Ford GT with a 3000 hp Modular engine owns the standing mile record, right?

Custom builders have been building huge power engines for decades.

I don't hate the LS engine. (I love the C7 among other GM classics) I hate the LS engine in a Ford.
Michael, my old friend NEVER worked at GM. He was fortunate to be able to map out the LS for GMPP. He left Ford in the early 90s to start his own company. He had just had his contract  ended  building off road racing trucks for Ford.  He started working on the new platform back then with a couple of others and got an open contract to map the LS. He didn't design it or work for GM at the time. Gary

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Silver 67 Gt350
« on: May 15, 2020, 09:07:12 AM »
Your Ford egineer friend must have been responsible for all the 351W design features that somehow showed up on the LS platform. I would have expected a lot out of a Windsor designed in the late 90's as well.

I didn't say the the LS was a bad engine, I said it was ugly, much like you said the Coyote was ugly.

You did know that a Ford GT with a 3000 hp Modular engine owns the standing mile record, right?

Custom builders have been building huge power engines for decades.

I don't hate the LS engine. (I love the C7 among other GM classics) I hate the LS engine in a Ford.
if you read my post I think all late model engines look ugly for the most part in an early muscle/pony car. Some builders have done a masterful job "cleaning up late model engines so they look good but not a lot of them. I don't like the LS in a Ford. i don't like cross engine swaps period. And, yes, I like newer Mustangs. A good friend has a 14 GT500 that isn't stock(more HP) and is a fun car to drive in but for me it would be a c6-8 if I get into a late model performance car. Maybe because I work for GM? No, its because my wife insisted on back seats in my cars(including our classics) over the years because we have kids but the kids are grown now and she says the cars are too low to get into at our age. We shall see.... I offered 10K and my SCJ Mach1 a few years ago to my friend for his 67 Vette. He wouldn't trade and he is a FORD guy by and large. Gary

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Up For Auction / Re: 1968 Shelby GT350 Fastback
« on: May 12, 2020, 10:15:22 AM »
Looks beautiful but automatics are low man on the Totem pole. The Black helps.
+1.

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Silver 67 Gt350
« on: May 12, 2020, 10:11:22 AM »
I find the LS engine to be pretty dang ugly as well. But they don't bother me in a nice GM vehicle.

I don't see many warrantied OEM LS engines putting out 580 horses out of 317 cubic inches.
I understand your blue oval allegiance as to knock the LS. An old friend and former neighbor of mine who many years ago bought a drag pack 69 R-code off of me and ex-Ford engineer was the guy who mapped out the LS for GMPP. While you make that statement my old friend Brian pushed over 2000 HP out of a stock LS block. Used to be a video of it online at his website Thomson Racing engines but isn't there anymore since he sold his business to Lingenfelter a few years ago. Seeing Brian's 72 Chevelle with an LS pushing 950HP or his LS 2012 Grand Sport Vette pushing 1K horsepower that can be driven anywhere(Chevelle did the Hot Rod power tour and was on the cover of Hot Rod Magazine) I would never knock an LS for what it "can't" do or if it is warrantied. Gary

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1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: 1969 oem style wheel options
« on: May 11, 2020, 10:24:03 AM »
Craig restored 2 sets for me in early 1990. They were both put back on 1970 Shelbys from which they came from. The set on my vert still look good after 30 years. Gary

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1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Under lost and found
« on: May 11, 2020, 10:18:25 AM »
I got a pair of headlight buckets stashed away off of #3052. I know the feeling of searching for one part and finding others. Gary

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Silver 67 Gt350
« on: May 11, 2020, 10:12:00 AM »
Instead of getting angry about someone making a color change, I will unleash on the Morons who are powering their Mustangs (and Panteras) with Chevrolet engines.

Exactly! Sacrilege!   I did stay with original color offerings, I just don't like funky colors.  Besides, Acapulco with Lt Parchment is stunning.
The saying is do you know why Ford designed the Ford GT for only a 6 cylinder? So no one could do an LS swap. Personally I hate changing the manufactures engines out to a competitors but what I also hate is the late model engine swaps in older cars. A coyote engine is ugly and you can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. Nothing looks more beautiful that a good old 60s American V8. Gary

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Was This Really Necessary?
« on: May 11, 2020, 12:36:00 AM »
It has always cracked me up listening to old muscle car owners fondly remembering how fast their cars were back in the day.  The best any one of them
could do was low 14's, if that.  Big block vettes or camaros could get in the 13's, but that's about it.  Shelbys were just too slow.  Sorry boys.  I know because I ran them all.  My TVR could do high 12's and never lost a street race against anyone, but my son's stock coyote mustang gt would kick my ass now three times over!

     The Mel Burns '65 GT350 ran high 12's in '66. It took me until '67 to get into the 12's with my Paxton blower equipped 289. By '69 I was in the 11's and by '72 I ran a best of 11.42 at 124 , before I ripped the axle housing off of the perches. "Some of us " WERE fast back then , and still are.
     Randy
Thanks for your real world historical account of what could be done back then. The late Mike Reimenschneider who owned a 68 KR vert   also was the OO of a 68.5 coupe-I know a coupe is lighter but ran consistent very low 13s (stock)with it back in 68 on the original polyglas tires. Lost a couple of 10ths when he bought a new pair in 69 and found out Goodyear changed the tire design and made the tire a little harder. He bought all the display(F-70-14s) tires out of as many Goodyear tire stores as he could find and regained his 2 tenths. Had a few sets left when he sold the car way back then. Mike wasn't the sort of guy to "tell stories" either and was everyone's "go to" guy for stock or race carb applications. RIP Mike.  Gary
 Oh yeah, a 68 Gt350 to use? LMAO!!! even with the car cammed my 68 Gt350 was a major dog. The slowest Shelby of any Shelbys made during the 5 year run.

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Silver 67 Gt350
« on: May 11, 2020, 12:13:52 AM »
I too love my lime gold Shelby and get a tremendous amount of compliments on the color.  I really like that it is Not the same color as 90% of the cars on the road today. I too think it shows extremely well. I am sure in the day when they oxided they did not look great but that is pretty true with any of the colors.  In my opinion I have never seen a Shelby color I did not love. Brittney blue 67 is my absolute favorite though.
Corey
While I am one that loved Henry Ford's old saying about the color of his Model Ts and being a "color change" guy I really like Lime gold. Back when I was 10 they used to sell those "candy" colored spray bombs and I painted my Schwinn bike lime gold. In a BC CC the color looks really good. But Highland green or black jade. Not for me. ditto on grabber blue. That is why those 2 Shelbys I had got color changed. I color changed more Mustangs than I can count. But I actually went back to Indian fire red from candy apple red on a 69 R-code Mach1(concours) since it was a rust free California car(100 percent rust free) against my wife's wishes but since I was adding the goodies to it i felt the car would look stunning. It did. Too nice to drive so I sold it. Looking back only a few Mustangs that I had painted over the last 40 years I actually went back to the original color when painted of the cars that actually needed paint. Here is the IF red car. The back half is pictured above with my red GT500 in a driveway pic. Gary

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Silver 67 Gt350
« on: May 10, 2020, 01:18:35 PM »
My Shelby is the right color for me. I would never repaint it that ugly lime gold as long as I own it. It is an original color offered. Acapulco blue with white stripes with a stunning paint job. I have no use for trailer queens or hard nose purist.  I find them boring.
There was some misrepresentation with the vehicle. I just don't remember all the details.
We once had a discussion on SAAC forum 1.0 on color changes and Bill Collins gave an excellent informed opinion on color changing. I have owned 3 different Shelbys in my life. A very rare 70 Gt500 drag pack car I color changed to CA red in 1990. Had a new door sticker made up in 1990 by Kevin Marti. Now on grabber color Shelbys the color code was left blank and on FBs you had just a "5" on it. 2 decades pass and the car was then being passed off by a NC dealer toting it as a factory RED car. I told him it wasn't and he said that was my "opinion". When I stripped the car to the shell in 1985 it was grabber blue. I sold it as a color changed car. Now my 68 Shelby i went from HG to black with non factory red stripes. My car, my way. pissed off the purists but most loved the combo. My opinion I got MORE for it as black than I would have as a highland green. That was 2013. I loved looking at the car black and hated it as green. It gave me a lot of enjoyment just looking at the black car. My vert i kept it original in red but seriously in the 90s thought about color changing to black with custom made red side stripes but didn't when painted in 2000 during the full resto. Vert when bought was painted a non fact maroon color.

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Concours Talk / Re: 69 GT500 fastback roof emblem
« on: May 10, 2020, 12:32:29 PM »
for those who have not seen these pics before of Bill Cook going to an indy dealer with his dad and brother in 1969. 3 cars, 3 different configurations of the emblems. Notice the black wall tire GT500 FB has no emblems but the F-60-15 Gt500 later built car does. The Vert is owned by the OO  and has only the snake on the quarter and is a black wall car also. Tony Branda told me back in the early 80s he thought the emblems came later in the year. That was his opinion dealing with these cars in the 70-80s and many  would have been original cars. https://www.flickr.com/photos/bossmustang/albums/72157609155163577

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