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Up For Auction / Re: SAAC MK 1 on BaT
« on: November 30, 2023, 09:54:12 PM »
Yes, the very early MKIs had the "SHELBY AAC" emblems and SHELBY valve covers/intake plates.
As you may know, Chrysler put an immediate stop to that and threatened a lawsuit
That was based on their agreement with CS for their license,

There were 13 1991 completed cars with various combinations of emblems and CS interior logos.
The 6 prototypes constantly evolved before getting sold off.
XX4, one of the later cars, was never sold with the "SHELBY" emblems.
The 2012 photos show it with those SAAC emblems
It did have the CS interior logo and engine dressings.
The SAAC firewall and dash plaque are the clear indicators this car was sold with the SAAC MKI exterior emblems.

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Up For Auction / Re: SAAC MK 1 on BaT
« on: November 30, 2023, 03:15:21 PM »
The "SHELBY" emblems on the exterior are not factory-applied. The previous owner replaced them
They should be "SAAC" emblems and can be corrected fairly easily.
Proof of this incorrect detail is the dash and the firewall plaque ID noting the car is a SAAC, not a Shelby

The painted stripes are not correct.
Not only are they the wrong color they are NOT the right tapered shape on the front fenders.
The hood stripes need to be rounded on the outer corners too.

This is not close to the wrapper car (MKI 037) for sale earlier in the year.
That car was just about as perfect and factory as anyone can find.

I don't think the mileage in the ad is mentioned either.
This MKI XX4 car has been well used, with about 55,000 miles on the odometer.

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Up For Auction / !
« on: November 30, 2023, 02:52:57 PM »
Some negative details have already been posted on the FaceBook group (private)
For instance...

A decent amount of work would have to be done to make this car “right” /correct.
The painted stripes are a total killer Mistake

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HI Rich!
Scheduled for Mecum Kissimmee Jan 2024
VIN / SERIAL

1FACP42E9MF198353
https://www.mecum.com/lots/1107695/1991-ford-mustang-saac-mki/

Thanks, Tim!

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1991-93 SAAC Mk1, Mk2 Mustang / Re: Mk1 Values
« on: November 12, 2023, 07:43:54 AM »
I know this is an old post but a MKll is up for sale here in Indy for $124,000.

I wonder if SAAC will build some "continuation" cars to ride the pricy coattails of the originals like CS did......
When will tributes start showing up? You could make a $3000 Fox body look like a 100 grand SAAC fairly easily.


Tributes started showing up after day one, back to at least 1993. With all the VINs known and owner history, it is just about impossible to pass off a fake as real. I track clones too.
Parts are not as easy to get as you think. The wheels alone are extremely difficult to obtain originals. Replicas wheels are very difficult and next to impossible to get. Most clones are getting stripes wrong! The leather interiors are another challenging battle. To duplicate them you need a  true expert who knows the graphics and material type for each model. They don't exist and would be reproduction leather if ever replicated
Pricing has started to increase with the low mileage Fox Mustang demand. There are not a lot of buyers looking for the SAAC Car Company cars. Saleens are far more in demand and so are the '93 Cobras and Cobra Rs. The wrapper SAAC MKI car offered at the recent Mecum action brought up the pricing frenzy. It will fade as time passes.SAAC won't be building continuation SAAC cars anytime soon. That development crew is much older now and it would not have a strong enough demand. Ford stopped making Cobra R models decades ago for the same reason.

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Cars For Sale / Re: 1967 GT 350 Project
« on: November 03, 2023, 04:06:20 PM »
#

Yes, the ID # is required by SAAC with every for-sale post.

We require a Shelby number to be included in the description.
A VIN is required for all non-Shelby automotive listings

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1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: 5R538 -More pics
« on: November 03, 2023, 06:13:37 AM »
I had a fellow to come in the car lot a week ago and when he came in he said you must like Shelby Mustangs seeing pictures on the wall. I said yes I have a few. He said his dad bought a racing Shelby new and used to race it. I said do you know what the serial number was? He said he didn’t have any idea. He said I have a picture in my phone somewhere. I told him to look for it I wanted to see it. He found it and when he showed it to me I said I’ve seen that car before having the fluorescent painted valance. He said his dad painted it like that to distinguish his car from other Shelby’s at Daytona on pit row. He said his dads name was Roger West and sure enough I found it in the registry it was 5R538. Here is the only picture he had.

5t538 first appeared at the February 1966 Daytona event without the fluorescent front valance.
At the next race at Sebring, we see the "R" with the painted fluorescent Red valance (B&W) images.
Here's a color photo said to be from Sebring in 1967.

I'd love to see a higher-resolution, clearer image of the white outboard '67 Shelby.
It might help to ID the '67 Shelby number if we knew if it was a GT350 or GT500.
Any other photos his son might have would be very helpful too!


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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: rear valance
« on: October 30, 2023, 09:28:30 AM »
The "GT Stamped Rear Valance" running change notice was documented and stamped RECIVEVED at Ford on 1/25/1967.
We don't know how long it took FORD to implement that change at the SJ factory.


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Cars For Sale / Re: 1967 GT 350 Early White 4 Speed with Paxton
« on: October 28, 2023, 06:44:45 AM »
The completion date at SAI / LAX takes the highest priority over the VIN sequence numbers.
It is our Theory the VN plate was added upon arrival of the knockdown units at LAX.
I don't believe the cars were started at that time.
As Tim mentions, #0003 (DMG) and #0018 (WW) were the first production cars completed on Day 1.
They included one of each color and both were shipped to Dearborn.

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Looking Back / Re: SAAC 3
« on: October 24, 2023, 07:58:48 PM »
I believe the USRRC team car CSX2494 was at Pasadena, I am not sure if it was at the Ontario track.  Anyone have pictures of it from either location that year?
Here's a couple of photos from Mosport (June 5, 1965) and St. Jovit (July 4, 1965) for csx2494.
I'm not sure if they even relate to Ontario (I'm not familiar with the Ontario track's full name).
There are a few other photos from those tracks, but these are the best overall views.

Rich,
Ontario Motor Speedway, Ontario CA.  About 40 miles east of LA.   Built in 1970.   RIP 1980.

THANKS Van, I was not even thinking in California or the US
As you can see from the photos I posted, I was thinking of Canada
I'm familiar with that CA town. I had a job offer there and passed.
THanks again for clearing up my confusion.

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Looking Back / Re: SAAC 3
« on: October 24, 2023, 06:45:11 AM »
I believe the USRRC team car CSX2494 was at Pasadena, I am not sure if it was at the Ontario track.  Anyone have pictures of it from either location that year?
Here's a couple of photos from Mosport (June 5, 1965) and St. Jovit (July 4, 1965) for csx2494.
I'm not sure if they even relate to Ontario (I'm not familiar with the Ontario track's full name).
There are a few other photos from those tracks, but these are the best overall views.

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GT40 - Original/Mk V / Re: Paint Color of Dan Gurneys Sebring GT40 P1031
« on: October 20, 2023, 04:23:33 PM »
P1031 at the 66 races (Sebring) looks like Guardsman and definitely not Nightmist Blue.
It was the same color at Daytona and again at Sebring in 1967.
For LeMans in 1967 it was painted a gold color.

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67200F7A00102 has Smooth Seats



THANKS
All the early production cars received the 6A trim.
The 5A trim does not appear until around december of 1966.

We cover this topic in detail on our SRG Google Group if anyone wants to check it out.
https://groups.google.com/g/shelbyresearch/c/JFbDbkNv4vA

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1991-93 SAAC Mk1, Mk2 Mustang / MKII 013 convertible in Peru
« on: October 10, 2023, 12:35:40 AM »
After many years out of site. A new owner has emerged with this car.
It is the only White MKII convertible and the only white convertible with a black top and black interior.
I have been looking for this car for over 10 years. That was with help from another MKI owner in Peru.

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2S MFG 013   - 66 GT350; 6s120 (q) (white, no stripes, Cragar wheels) Cobra Caravan NYC 65-12-15

came across this photo from the Revs Institute, could be from the 65-12-15 NYC caravan event?

jim p



Hi Jim, that is the photo at the 12/15 NYC event as found on REVS.
Steve Sloan helped to identify the GT350 as 6s120
I'm sure you noticed, they have several other photos from that evening.
They include a 427 Cobra, Daytona Coupe, and the R model from the tour.

Hi Van, It is odd they didn't mention "Shelby" on the sign.
A newspaper article calls out a FORD Cobra on exhibit at the Union Carbide B'ldg (in Manhatten).
Carroll did have a book signing that same day at Brentanos Bookstore.
Revs show a photo of a 3000 series Cobra at that location. It appears to be csx3127.



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