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George through Kieth:
Just cannot thank you both enough for George sharing and Kieth for bringing to us this absolutely essential SAI history. The former (now lost) thread was IMO the biggest singular treasure lost. To whatever degree any parts of it can be reconstituted, and saved, is of incalculable value to our hobby for us and those who follow.
We are almost down to sole-source contacts for this type of original or near-original attributable information.


Steve A

Steve A,

Thanks for the kind words, itís very nice to know that it meant so much to others too. Speaking for myself, the loss of the George Watters Collection had quite an impact on me. I really felt back then that all the time and effort we put into it was worth it because it would be there for posterity, you know? I saw it as our contribution to Shelby American history that could always be accessed by future generations. Yes, I realize now how naive that was. Itís what I call a harsh Ďlife lesson.í

Thank goodness I still have all the scanned photographs, but Georgeís words and the comments and reactions of the members are all lost. And those were as much a part of the story as the photos themselves. I got jaded by the loss of Forum 1.0 - you know, the old ďburn me onceĒ thing. Once enough time had passed though, I noticed that I would still get a spark of enthusiasm now and then, but I felt I had to rein it in. Itís not like Iím not sitting around pouting or anything - things happen, I get it. But I also donít find myself wanting to plunge in headfirst again on another full time effort like that either.

As you can see by our recent HPM1 post though, the excitement of a new discovery or revelation can still pull me right back into posting mode. But I keep at arms length to avoid another colossal disappointment like the last time.

Thanks for letting me vent. And again, much appreciation from George and I for all of your appreciative comments over the years. Itís something we all got to experience together here, and that was very cool. One thing that always keeps me excited though, is the proof from past experience knowledge that we are all going to see something new this year that we have never seen before. That has happened time and time again. Weíve ďseen it allĒ right? And then that French video of LAX falls out of the sky! THATís what keeps the fire lit for me.

I want to add here too, that despite the sad demise of 1.0, the SAAC Forum in and of itself is an incredible mechanism for sharing. I have learned so much from it that it is invaluable to me. And truth be told, I have acquired some of the closest friends I have thru it. Thatís an amazing thing to me, and proof of its value right there.

Thanks again,
Kieth

PS - Oh, and Steve A, a VERY cool story about your 5S339, itís original owner and HPM 1. Thanks for sharing it. How would we all have ever learned that except thru this Forum?




Love the history and photographs - Thank you!

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Up For Auction / Re: A Shelby for sale South of the Boarder
« on: June 02, 2020, 12:25:46 AM »
That is a whole lot of Pesos!

From The Three amigos?


That is the infamous El-gt500'o -  it's more then famous.....

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: motor mounts
« on: June 01, 2020, 11:56:40 PM »
same shuttering occurred before the new clutch. i thought the new clutch would solve problem.
now we think its either the flywheel or oil from a rear main seal that got onto new clutch.
advised to slip the clutch or start in 2nd gear to hopefully burn off the dried oil.
shuttering ONLY happens when starting in first gear, especially on an incline.



You always have to resurface the flywheel when you change the clutch, oil will not burn off - it's the clutch and flywheel not the motor mounts.

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: motor mounts
« on: June 01, 2020, 11:01:34 PM »
how can one determine if a motor mount is cracked or bad?
what are the signs?
will engine vibrate excessively?
how hard is it to change them?
which brand is a good quality?
are the hipo ones more robust?
im getting severe shuttering under load from a stand still and its particularly bad on an incline.
tia



Are you sure it's not clutch chatter?

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Aftermarket headers for 67 GT500
« on: May 29, 2020, 11:24:25 AM »
Doug, I guess the 1.76 exhaust valve was justified with the new engine so the Hookers breath correctly. <snicker>  I had never heard that correlation between primary tube and exhaust valve size before.  I can't find the flow sheet from the my Edelbrocks that Keith Black ported, but I think the flow on the exhaust side was in the 220 CFM range. 
There was a trade off Vs. the C6AE-R heads I had on the 428. Even with bowl clean up, unshrouding  and the 2.09 1.65 CJ valve the heads had more port velocity on the lower end of the RPM range. 
The ported Edelbrock heads seem to run in the 3200-6000 rpm range so it moved the torque band. In some respects it keeps one from smoking the tires every time you accelerate too hard in the first two gears.


Wow, you must have had a very close relationship with Keith Black to get him to port aluminum Edelbrock FE heads, tell us about how you managed to get that done?

Keith? I thought he said Clint? Sorry, my hearing isn't what it used to be. What? Did you say something? Open side pipes, you know?







It's just short of impossible to get Keith Black to port FE Edelbrock aluminum heads, especially since he was dead before the heads were ever made. Just digging the guy up, and bringing him back to life must have been a ton of work, then to be able to convince him to port heads - WOW !

You really are an idiot. Keith Black Racing Engines did the porting work. Keith Black has been dead for the better part of 30 years. However, the business was ran by his son for some time.  You can return to your regularly scheduled wife and dog beatings while attempting to make your miserable existence tolerable with daily over-indulgences in alcohol.


I'll give Ken a call and ask him about your port work, the old man used to say an FE was only good for a boat anchor. When did you have the port work done? I can get you a copy of the flow sheet, they keep all those records.

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Why don't you really become exclusive. We'll start the SAAC Gestapo division to inspect  all cars. If the powers that be don't approve of use of plating or finish on engine or components they declare the "pimp mobile" statute and remove said individuals and ban their participation.
Is that where we're going?  This tread started because of the arrogance shown him because he didn't want to do a half-assed job building his dream replicas. He was actually called stupid. How long do you think this forum and vendors will survive with this kind of disposition?
You better start thinking about the survival of our hobby. Most of you are gray ghost and clearly aren't forward thinking.
Just a little food for thought..



You trash 68-70 models in your comments and refer to "the market" constantly, yet when I pointed out that your pimpmobile is not considered part of the "market",  and that the "market" is for concourse cars with a good history, you get upset.

As I said before I personally do not like clones, I would rather have a real (fill in the blank) then a fake Shelby. But that's me I don't hassle people for fakes, but the idea of collecting original correct parts for a fake makes zero sense.

BTW let me know DEVGRU declassifies the release of your 700hp, Keith Black ported "bling bling" machines VIN. 


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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Aftermarket headers for 67 GT500
« on: May 28, 2020, 10:48:02 AM »
Doug, I guess the 1.76 exhaust valve was justified with the new engine so the Hookers breath correctly. <snicker>  I had never heard that correlation between primary tube and exhaust valve size before.  I can't find the flow sheet from the my Edelbrocks that Keith Black ported, but I think the flow on the exhaust side was in the 220 CFM range. 
There was a trade off Vs. the C6AE-R heads I had on the 428. Even with bowl clean up, unshrouding  and the 2.09 1.65 CJ valve the heads had more port velocity on the lower end of the RPM range. 
The ported Edelbrock heads seem to run in the 3200-6000 rpm range so it moved the torque band. In some respects it keeps one from smoking the tires every time you accelerate too hard in the first two gears.


Wow, you must have had a very close relationship with Keith Black to get him to port aluminum Edelbrock FE heads, tell us about how you managed to get that done?

Keith? I thought he said Clint? Sorry, my hearing isn't what it used to be. What? Did you say something? Open side pipes, you know?







It's just short of impossible to get Keith Black to port FE Edelbrock aluminum heads, especially since he was dead before the heads were ever made. Just digging the guy up, and bringing him back to life must have been a ton of work, then to be able to convince him to port heads - WOW ! 

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Aftermarket headers for 67 GT500
« on: May 28, 2020, 10:16:27 AM »
Doug, I guess the 1.76 exhaust valve was justified with the new engine so the Hookers breath correctly. <snicker>  I had never heard that correlation between primary tube and exhaust valve size before.  I can't find the flow sheet from the my Edelbrocks that Keith Black ported, but I think the flow on the exhaust side was in the 220 CFM range. 
There was a trade off Vs. the C6AE-R heads I had on the 428. Even with bowl clean up, unshrouding  and the 2.09 1.65 CJ valve the heads had more port velocity on the lower end of the RPM range. 
The ported Edelbrock heads seem to run in the 3200-6000 rpm range so it moved the torque band. In some respects it keeps one from smoking the tires every time you accelerate too hard in the first two gears.


Wow, you must have had a very close relationship with Keith Black to get him to port aluminum Edelbrock FE heads, tell us about how you managed to get that done?

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Cool! Nothing quite like a 66!

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Just for my 68-70 hating friend with the pimped out 700HP real Shelby with a top secret number  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNdBLBleO90

Lighten up Frances



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CSX 2000 Series / Re: Amazing 289 sold
« on: May 27, 2020, 11:40:42 AM »
The Get Smart reference on the hood is priceless!

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Side Oilers. I love the Kirkham Cobras in the polished finish. They're unique.  The good news is you can have a bit of fun knowing that it's replaceable.
I like all Shelbys. Some more than others.  I have owned a Chevrolet. It spent more time at the dealer with warranty repairs and recalls than I used it. I sold it after four years with 22,000 miles. Fans, clutch, axle seals, three transmissions, ac compressor, fuel pumps.  My last GM product.
I will always be an FE fan. Between Robotnic and Patrick we've turned the bow tie crowd on their ear winning many of the most recent engine master competitions.  700+ streetable horsepower is now commonplace.

I find the hostility here rather disturbing anymore.  Hopefully it will return to a norm at some juncture.
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I decided to take a look at your post. You're calling me passive aggressive?  I'm Mr. Rogers in comparison to your nastiness. Calling people liars openly and telling them "I call BS" and then attacking someone and calling them stupid for wanting to do their vehicle as it would have came from Shelby.  Who the F*ck are you?  You're no one.
Not one goddamn post you put up here is helpful.  You behave like a drunk. I encountered plenty of them in my years on the job. 
Your quote says it all.  "602 stole 2000 hours of my life"  You want a brownie button?
I did EVERYTHING on my Shelby but the exterior paint work and the 3rd member set up. It was about love of the car.  I wish I only had 2000 hours in it.  It didn't steal anything. It's beautiful. I'm very proud of it and my first two outings were Best of Show awards.
Making your childish pimpmobile comments about my Shelby and throwing school yard insults? You get bullied when you were in school so you're a keyboard warrior now?
I have posted several pictures.  You have what, 48 post? Not one constructive post or commentary, just your ignorant hostile personal attacks on multiple members and yet they remained polite to you despite calling them a liar? Not in my AO would you walk away with a declaration of that nature.


 




You are super passive aggressive, I am not (yet another difference) all that dribble about the "market" and now you are upset that I pointed out your pimp mobile is not considered part of the market because it's modified - BTW What number is your 67? Still waiting......












Let me guess, you and your "Shelby" are brown water Navy and the tag number is classified.

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I think you guys either didn't read the thread or missed something. My whole point was/is:

It is an oxymoron to want "correct parts for a car that is not real".

I personally don't like clones/fakes - that means I don't - if you do good for you. There is a huge difference IMO between putting a SOHC motor in a mustang, which is cool, and putting Shelby decals on your C code mustang which is not.

I like the way pony cars and muscle cars from the era drive, that's why I own them- if it wasn't for wanting that feel the new versions (redeye-gt500-ss-etc) are way more driveable they just lack that feel.

Bottom line, if I wanted a Shelby I would rather own an real 07 then a clone 67.



 

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I had a 70 b2 and the boss 302 registry forum is the place to go for anything b2 related. 

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