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Up For Auction / Re: 5s110 - for sale - Classic 5/8/2021
« on: May 12, 2021, 11:03:16 PM »
I will echo Randy and Charles comments above as I have inspected and have experience with this car. I will agree that further scrutiny and a conversation with Howard would not be wasted effort for those so inclined.

1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: Rear quarter radio antennas on 65s
« on: February 08, 2021, 03:55:05 PM »
Hi Bob,

Again, I appreciate your input- and I think you've just restated things that I stated in my posts above. Also my original post was simply asking for photos of rear mounted antennas on 65 GT350s. Not how many were done, what was prevalent, etc. I was also just stating the interesting fact that has come from this thread that there are 3 HPM rear antennas confirmed on this thread which I think is neat.

So, wasn't here to debate what the cost difference was or how many were done or where they were done, just curious as I am looking at one of them in my garage wondering how many different locations on the rear quarter panels did dealers actually put them- and also for my own curiosity does one spot look better to the naked eye than others.

Just doing a little internet bench racing as this is how we all learn, especially with the wealth of knowledge and 65 owners here.

Take care,


1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: Rear quarter radio antennas on 65s
« on: February 08, 2021, 01:31:20 PM »
I guess we could chase it any variety of directions like a dog after his tail...;)

But obviously we know at least 3 65s that got a rear antenna at HPM just as a result of this post. To claim majority or minority 55 years on I guess we'd need hard proof of how many 65s got a radio installed at HPM and some way to tell where it was put. But first we'd need to go through (or ask Howard) how many 65s HPM delivered which is tricky because of Shelby's maneuvering around the dealer franchise issue and selling a lot of "demonstrator" cars at HPM. Not as cut and dry as looking up a place like Tousley Ford and seeing how many new 65s were delivered there etc.

But to stay on task it was just a curiosity to me and I wanted to see where other 65s with rear antennas had them mounted. Picking the flyshit out of the pepper as Kopec often accuses me of.

1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: Rear quarter radio antennas on 65s
« on: February 08, 2021, 10:38:22 AM »
Hi Bob that's good info. Perhaps HPM later went to the front fender? Just based on the fact that these three early cars 109, 156, 249 are all rear antennas installed by HPM and one can safely assume there were more.

1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: Rear quarter radio antennas on 65s
« on: February 08, 2021, 09:34:32 AM »
Thanks for the pics guys! So, seems to be confirmed that there is absolutely no rhyme or reason with these things. But also seems to be the case that HPM put them on the left or rear quarter panel and not the front fender. Based on Greg with 5s109 and my two HPM 65s with rear antennas installed by HPM. If anybody else has a photo please share! (side note who knew so many 2-digit cars had radios? Crazy!)

1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: Rear quarter radio antennas on 65s
« on: February 05, 2021, 11:39:18 PM »
That's my opinion too- they used the standard Ford antenna just mounted it in the rear. So, anybody have a '65/'66 with a rear antenna they care to share a photo of? Thanks!

1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: Rear quarter radio antennas on 65s
« on: February 05, 2021, 11:43:44 AM »
Hi Bob,

I agree completely- and in my post above draw the same conclusion you have. It was easier and faster to punch the hole on the RF fender and follow the Ford instructions.

I purchased the car I am working on from the original owner's estate. He bought it new at HPM in '65. On the invoice is noted his addition of a Ford AM/FM and they installed it with the antenna in the rear. LR quarter in fact. It's just in a different location than the one HPM put on the LR quarter of 5s249 so I am assuming it was just left to the lowest rung of the shop ladder employees to haphazardly put it where they wanted. But I'd love to see pics of any other known legit dealer installed rear antennas. Just curious as to where others were put and if there is any logic or if they are truly unique like snowflakes. LOL



1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: Rear quarter radio antennas on 65s
« on: February 05, 2021, 10:29:11 AM »
Thanks Charles.

I'm working on an early '65 sold new at HPM with an AM-FM installed (on the invoice) and they put the antenna on the LR quarter. My other '65 from HPM had the same but I removed it years ago because I could never hear the radio anyway lol. Just trying to determine if there was any uniformity as I've seen them on the left, right, forward, back, etc. And I know it was recommended to put them at the rear on GT350s but it seems most dealership techs followed the Ford instructions and popped them on the RF fender...also avoided having to run a cable through the interior to the trunk.

In any event would love to see pics to compare.



1965 GT350/R-Model / Rear quarter radio antennas on 65s
« on: February 05, 2021, 09:49:37 AM »
Hi All,

Looking for pics of dealer installed rear quarter radio antennas on 65s. Trying to see if there was any rhyme or reason to where they put them. Also if anybody has any info on where it was suggested they should I'd love to know if such guidelines existed or if it was "just put it in the back somewhere to avoid the RF that comes through the hood!"



Up For Auction / Re: Shelby Parts and Restoration - 67-68 Ebay Auctions
« on: December 19, 2020, 03:36:55 PM »
Any update on Jim and his team that can be passed out?

Ditto. Thinking of Jim way down south here in Milwaukee.

Wanted to Buy / WTB 65/66 Factory Am/Fm Mustang Radio
« on: December 15, 2020, 11:11:11 PM »
Looking for an original 65/66 Mustang AM/FM radio...I know, a tall order, but if any group knows where one is it is this one! Please email me if you have one or can help. Thanks!

Up For Auction / Re: 6S1341 - On Bring A Trailer
« on: October 29, 2020, 09:21:18 PM »
I had the opportunity to purchase some of the NOS parts that were gathered for this car by the sellers father some time before the estate made the decision to sell the car, it was well sold.

Blackcar do you know if the family decided or was told the car was too far gone which made their decision to sell off the parts and the car independently of each other? Certainly from a financial standpoint especially with this auction result a stroke of genius but I'm curious as to why they pulled the plug.

As an aside I also just today realized that I have spent far too many years preaching the importance of original metal!


1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: '67 GT350, no. 20 - Falcon Hood Prop
« on: October 22, 2020, 09:54:54 AM »
Random thoughts on the subject:

As with anything it all boils down to personal preference and the collecting goals of the person writing the check. I've been collecting cars for three decades now, and went through my own learning curve of deciding what matters to me and the kind of cars I want to own. I like original unrestored cars, cars with great history, and cars I enjoy driving. Case in point- I had an amazing unrestored '69 Boss 429 for years. Amazing docs and history, a true no BS car. Spent a ton of time making it run right and getting it fully sorted to drive as good as any B9 could drive. But in the end it just sat here because even the best B9 still drives like a dump truck compared to a '65 GT350. So I sold it with the realization that I don't need static display cars. The same reason I sold the ex-Timken KR that Scott Tiemann restored with all NOS parts. It was, at the time, a benchmark restoration. But man I got tired of pushing a car with no fluids in it around my garage. It had to go.

Now I have a collection of cars that all speak to me, great stories, colors I like, rare or unique features (like my narrow hip 427 or original paint '66 GT350 with 14" steel wheels etc) and we drive the heck out of all of them. Sure they madden the purists when they see radial tires or a Napa fuel pump or better mufflers but I have shelves full of the correct original parts and hardware that my family can bolt back on prior to the estate sale lol.

On the other end of the spectrum some shop to a budget and don't care about a color change (lime gold to red for example) or a NOM or a trans swap because they want a cool looking Shelby to have fun with. I totally respect that too. It is still a seat at this great table and the experience is no less exciting.

And, some want perfect shiny restored cars to polish, trailer, show, polish, store, polish, cover, polish, put NOS air into the tires, polish.... ok I'm teasing but you get the point.

Some buy by strictly color and options and I get that too.

Some would never consider an original unrestored car, like my ex-Dave Matthews 67 GT350 #3002, and would rather have a Moss Green 67 like the one that sold for $165k on BaT because it shinier and doesn't show any patina whereas 3002 is one of my favorite '67s.

I had 67 #888, a nightmist blue/ parchment 4 speed GT500. A great one owner car restored to perfection. That car got me because of the color and history but a good friend talked my out of it 13 years ago and still owns it (the bastard! And I know he's reading this too- bastard!)

So in summary to answer the question some (like me) appreciate the uniqueness of a super early two-digit car like 0020, the value of its history, the value of having these great original parts surviving time and the fact it never lost its original engine, etc. There are a lot of things that set it apart and these are the things a lot of seasoned (note I didn't say "old" lol) collectors value now that they have fine tuned their collections to have truly unique and rare examples of these halo cars. That's the kind of collection 0020 is coming out of, the owner is a 35 year Pebble Beach judge who has everything from pre-war Silver Ghosts to a new S550 GT350. And he drives them all. But as somebody who knows what a good collection consists of he's always sought out special cars. Wheat vs. chaff as it may be.

That's the cool thing about cars. One car decide what they like and do what speaks to and pleases their own old car goals. And in the end this hobby is still the great equalizer, doesn't matter if you're a grease monkey like me or a multi-billionaire, we all love these things and can relate to each others passion for them no matter what it may be focused on.

Long, meaningless ramble over ;)

All the best,


1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: '67 GT350, no. 20 - Falcon Hood Prop
« on: October 21, 2020, 09:14:23 AM »
Hi rcgt350 yes it is the original numbers matching engine and drivetrain. The hood prop lays nicely between the hood pin and core support when not in use. Yes, the cotter pin I referenced is what holds it in the core support.

Lots of info and video at this link:

If you need anything else you can email me at and I'm happy to help.



1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: '67 GT350, no. 20 - Falcon Hood Prop
« on: October 20, 2020, 01:26:47 PM »
rmarble57 no disrespect taken at all. I appreciate all opinions in these public forums even if some are quite misguided lol. As for the price I can assure you 0020 sold for a LOT more the last time and a great deal of money has been spent on it since but the owner is realistic. If a NOM non-two digit car restored by Orlando brings 165k on BaT, #0002 brought $264k at Mecum, and it is reported 0018 sold for $235k not to mention some other "eye opening" sales on lesser cars at Mecum et al I think the price on 0020 is appropriate. Once it is sold it might be a long, long time before another two-digit PR/Show car hits the open market. I've had a lot of activity of a car and there are some ongoing discussions so I feel fairly confident that it will find a new home. I know I'll be sad to see it go, if I didn't have my '67 GT500 (1797) that I love so much I'd buy 0020 for my own collection but I am told one '67 is enough- and I really do enjoy sleeping indoors.  :D

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