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1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: 1970 5 spoke rims
« on: Today at 12:29:33 PM »
Some reproduction lugnuts are made out of stainless steel to eliminate the tendency for the chrome to crack on the steel lugnuts when putting torque on them. If you use lugnuts made out of stainless steel you have to continually check them because they have a tendency to loosen up.

1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: 1970 GT500 carb date
« on: Today at 12:22:11 PM »
There was a urban legend that Special Ed would go around and stamp ED on those tags to show that he had been there in a magical way like the tooth fairy leaving money under the pillow. :D

Up For Auction / Re: SFM6S2393. To Be Auctioned Off
« on: October 20, 2020, 11:57:17 PM »
With a large enough donation to the current CS Licensing group, it might get a pass as a Shelby vehicle and put in their "Shelby Registry", but not in the SAAC Registry.  It is a continuation only in its continual effort to be recognized as something that it is not. But it is a nicely modified Mustang convertible.   It's greatest value is probably in its convoluted history. It needs a "WANNA B" personalized license plate.   8)
I found out this past January's BJ auction that the Eleanor licensing fees were 35K per car. I wonder what the current Shelby American INC. licensing fee for a car like the one in question would be?

Up For Auction / Re: SFM6S2393. To Be Auctioned Off
« on: October 20, 2020, 11:27:20 PM »
I was there at the 6th annual Palm Springs Road Races and Shelby Roast NOV 16-18 1990 where the guy had the car on display for the first time in the vendor area. It was a painted chassis and had a new at the time Ford roller cam crate engine on a stand next to it. I had a long talk with him . He was trying to get deposits on future built cars. He hadn't finished the first one yet. It never had a tag issued  from Shelby then or ever. A Shelby tag appeared on the car seemingly by magic later.  Back in the day rumor had it that CS wanted 10,000.00 per copy licensing fee. The deal fell through when he couldn't come up with the money. I am thinking he wanted 70K in 1990 for a completed car. He didn't seem to have too much Shelby car knowledge and came off like sounding like a con man. I have seen the car in numerous auctions in the past which seemed to be the venues of choice given just the bare minimum of leading details where released and not time enough to research them before it would cross the block. The story was always spun that it was a real Shelby. I always got a kick out of listening to the BS of each owner at the time was spurting out trying to pass the hot potato off to the next guy.

1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: 1970 5 spoke rims
« on: October 20, 2020, 10:58:51 PM »
It was not a 69 vs.70 wheel thing.

1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: 1970 5 spoke rims
« on: October 20, 2020, 10:57:03 PM »
Did I have this correct...

69's were riveted centers
70's weren't

If this is correct, how were the 70's center attached to the rim?
He have it partly right. When the wheels were first issued the centers were glued and then press fitted into the rim . A problem developed on some that was cause for a recall. Many didn't get changed out however. The new and improved wheel had the center riveted in place to the rim.

Yes you're right. I just looked at a 390 fork I have lying around . Sorry. I got that part number number off the Coralsnake site. But the '68 GT500 fork I'm pretty sure has a part number on it that's different from the Cobra Jet fork which is C8OE-7515-D. I had one but I didn't take a picture of the part number before I sold it. But did the correct for '67 fork have a C7 part number stamped on it?
The fork used on the 67 GT 500 did not have a metal stamped engineering number into it like the CJ fork did.

Does the '67 clutch fork have a '67 part#? The '68 GT500 clutch fork (non KR) is C8OZ-7515-B.
You are misinformed on your application. The C8OZ-7515-B clutch fork is for a small bearing small input 390 trans. All of the GT500's 67-70 used the large bearing fork for the large input trans.The 68 GT500 that used to the tongue style on the clutch fork pivot point used the same fork as the CJ . I am not sure of a definitive date when the pivot point change from wire clip to tongue style  occurred. Maybe someone else here does.   

I have an older single carb Branda oval air cleaner I would like to safely mount on a engine in a GT500. Attached in photo of the air cleaner base mounted with a 1/4" - 20 x 2" flanged bolt with serrations.  I am using a serrated head bolt and blue lock tight to attach the base to the carb.  There is a space between the carb and the bracket attached to the air cleaner base.  The base is not mounted tight enough and it turns on the carb.  I have also included a scan of the installation hardware kit currently offered by Branda for a new style air cleaner base.  I can shorten the bolt as one option.  Any other ideas for solving this problem would be appreciated.
That is a picture of the early style 68 Shelby air cleaner base.It utilized the two holes in the lid. The base was held by the made on bracket to bolt to the carb. The majority of 68 production had  that bracket eliminated and the studs were snipped off . A hole was drilled in the center of the lid to align with the stud in the carb and two silver electrical box type plugs were installed in the two normal lid holes. The center stud is what held the base and lid in place. You could still move it with little effort. As Spec Ed say's "that's just the way it is"

Does anyone have a picture of the correct GT500 clutch fork
Here is a comparison of the end that you see . The bearing end is the same with the exception of the wire clip on the early fork.

Thanks for the great info and I must be loosing it because it never even crossed my mind I could repair mine - which is something I could do.  Thanks for the feedback and education.
Don't beat yourself up .You are far from the first to overlook that alternative . I would guess up to 3/4 of the 67 GT500's on the road have a CJ fork as a replacement based on the many I have seen. It is one of the most common source of deductions in 67 GT500 concours judging for a example.

1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: '67 GT350, no. 20 - Falcon Hood Prop
« on: October 19, 2020, 11:12:02 AM »
  Well, you get a lot of push back from the self-declared experts.  The magstar paint issue, the "how much over spray (underspray?) on the chassis, other things that are hard to prove no matter how much investigation you do.
   I will say that, I have no idea how they store that prop rod as it looks a little too long to fold down anywhere, but, this might have been one of those Shelby/American "let's try it" things.
   They want 225K, and I hope they get it.
225K price which I also hope he gets aside ,FYI the hood prop rod was already tried in 65 Shelby production before they solved the spring /support problem. SA research and development of what works and what doesn't in 1965 production is more reason to conclude that SA didn't go backwards in development 2 production years later for 67. 

1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: '67 GT350, no. 20 - Falcon Hood Prop
« on: October 19, 2020, 10:57:47 AM »
When I saw #20 in the early 80 when Claude owned it, it had a aluminum tent pole attached to passenger side radiator support to hold up the hood. Car was kinda rough, with a 2 barrel carb on an adapter with stock carb in the trunk. Car had power steering and standard fan, no a 66 hipo fan. Very cool car indeed.
For clarity 67 GT350 did not come with a 66 hipo fan. In 67 the hipo used a 4 blade fan that was also used on non hipo applications.

Yes Bob, just stating how the car was at one time after it was restored and before it was restored. Power steering was reinstalled and hopefully original fan is back in place, (canít see from photos).  Beautiful Shelby indeed.
I thought you knew better but your post could be taken the wrong way so the clarification was meant for others reading so that they did not get the wrong idea.

I have only had 3 genuine 67 GT500 forks that I have sold in 40 years of parts buying/selling to give you a idea of how hard they are to find . I sold the last one for 500.00 to give a idea of supply and demand and also justify effort to fix. 

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