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1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Ballast resistor on firewall
« on: March 28, 2024, 03:31:40 PM »
I'm chipping away at 55 years of wiring butchery on this '69 Shelby and found this resistor mounted inside the engine bay.  Someone hacked into the dash harness and ran a couple of pink wires to it.  I'm guessing this wasn't original equipment? I'm hoping someone can confirm. 

 No that is not factory

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: 1967 GT500 Oil Filter Adapter Question
« on: March 26, 2024, 08:48:51 PM »
Believe the individual numbers possibly identified the mold number

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: Guidance on rear Valance
« on: March 26, 2024, 08:45:13 PM »
Jeff couple more questions.  When owners restore these cars do the have some of the different styled screws body color and the others not?

Yes the goal or task is restore these and other cars to as they were originally built so yes this will very likely be looked at shows were there are judges that are familiar with 66 San Jose/Shelby production.

Guess the question would be, why would a restorer not want to duplicate this detail other others and still refer to their efforts as restoring


2nd  question.... why didn't the factory put all the screws in at once? What was the value of just some pan head screws being installed prior painting. Seems like all screws would be installed at same time. Thanks again for everyone's amazing knowledge.  Fred

Wasn't there and have not found and talked to the guy that made that decision. To us 50 years it might seem obvious as to what would be best or easiest but we were not there. Maybe this quickened up the rear valance installation so that part of the line could keep up. It is interesting that the other two Mustangs plant did install all of the top screws prior to paint. Don't know why that happened either  :)


Here are some shots of the two screw heads from an angle. Hope this helps. As the note says ignore the finish of the screws in the pictures. These were taken from different applications but the type/style of screw heads are what the focus is. The flat style is often used to retain the door upper weatherstrip stainless to the body on some applications and years. Just a place to find them


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Concours Talk / Re: 1966 Winshield
« on: March 25, 2024, 10:47:03 PM »
Thanks,  Is the logo in the middle near the bottom?

Old style CarLite
Yes middle near bottom

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: Guidance on rear Valance
« on: March 25, 2024, 05:39:57 PM »
By the time your car was originally built as mentioned a rear valance with round holes was installed. Dating these panels can be fun since they typically have two dates stamped in the metal. One from the rear (as the panel is mounted) and one from the exterior side. Both at or near the upper edge.




By the time the car was built there were two different types/styles of attaching screws used. One style (flat headed) installed when the valance was attached to the unibody before the car was painted. These two screws were typically installed in the second or third hole from each end of the valance. The rest of the screws (pan heads) were  installed after the car was painted and the valance was pulled into the unibody at the bottom and these upper screws installed

Unrestored example very close to your cars assembly period..




I would say that the rear valances with the back up light holes were in the service parts system during and just after the cars were produced. Left overs and addition ones made from production of the cars but long term it didn't make much sense to produce and stock two versions since it would just increase stocking costs and other things.

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1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Vacuum diagrams
« on: March 18, 2024, 10:35:37 PM »
Sometimes you can find the big books on Ebay or swap meets.

+1 They are great resources though a bit bulky and a challenge to store since they are not on the typical book or page size format

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: Detail questions.
« on: March 14, 2024, 07:14:08 PM »
I am doing a 66 GT 350 and have a few detailing questions. It is a mid April Ford build.
Q.#1 What finish would the heater hose elbow at the intake manifold be? Gold cad. silver cad or engine blue?

By the time your engine was assembled it appears that the elbows were not being swapped from the iron intake any longer. For judging currently allow both -painted or plated





Q.#3 The car has a cast iron T-10 and the the oil drain plug is a square drive with "MAGNETIC " on it.   Is this correct or a day 2 item?

Here is what I found on the majority  Approx 500's - 1450's


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Haven't heard or seen a neutral safety switch that was connected to the transmission on a 67-70 Mustang Cougar or Shelby but with the FMX they were located on the shifter but would guess that someone hopefully altered things to make one work in a 68 with a C6

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Looks like someone has looked at allot of magazine articles and online ones and borrowed from multiple sources (different plants and years) Reason for allot of the markings being incorrect or positioned differently than 67 San Jose. Yellow axle end, axle writing, big X .......... Painted front coil springs, bolt in cross member, backing plate finish .... will stop there

Did find it surprising that the black pinch weld overspray was not reproduced on the floor pans. 90% didn't end up on the pinch weld and hod to go somewhere  ::) Happy to see the body color rear wheel wells  :)

Don't mean to be picking the effort and car apart just, as above, concerned that someone else will copy the practices and details from the video and in turn possibly creating some disappointment for that person later at some point.

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: floor drain plugs.
« on: March 04, 2024, 03:44:16 PM »
Thanks and to be clear all added after paintwork on car? What type of sealer around the plugs? Jeff, I hate to admit this but have a hard time just finding pics like you just posted on the concours site. I did searches this morning then looked at all the unrestored Dearborn 67 and 68 cars without any luck.

Yes added after the car was painted. Looks to be a dark colored chalking likely very dark gray or black in the picture in the top left where there is not allot of dust and dirt on it in sections

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: floor drain plugs.
« on: March 04, 2024, 01:12:09 PM »
Yes I believe you will find that all three plants used the same provider


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Shelby American Racing / Re: Group II Mustang - Race
« on: March 01, 2024, 09:05:30 PM »
Also, don't understand why Ford could not use fastback Mustangs in the early Trans Am series, as they were production four seaters?........

Weight?

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In the video you suggested, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTak2_MrgQs that car appears to have almost no under coating on the floors and wheel wells.

Just to help. Typically we refer to the thick tar and asbestos material that was applied after the car was delivered to the dealership as "undercoating"  and the stuff applied at the factor as "sound deadener" to keep them separate in discussions

Are you referring to sound deadener in the rear wheel wells or front. Ford applied it to the rear wheel wells before body color was applied over it and I doubt that missing this step would pass any of the hundreds of inspectors on the line. As far as sound deadener being applied to the floor area that depended on the model of Mustang and the options in most cases



Also no seam sealer on the seat belt mounts. was it removed or is that typical of production?

Likely removed, cracked and fell off or cleaned away at some point


 
If you look at my second picture, the undercoating on this car spreads from just past the transmission tunnel to the rocker panels on both sides and in the wheel wells. When it was sprayed, it appears the worker was standing under where the right-side muffler sits as that seems the be the spray pattern direction.  It is also sprayed lightly in the tunnel above the transmission closer to the firewall where the firewall and floor pan come together. I don't think it was dealer applied because there is no way a dealer could have sprayed it there without removing the transmission.

Didn't watch the video but if there is spray on thee muffler then that is very likely and indication that someone on the line caught an issue and it was touched up or that is undercoating applied later. Mufflers as we understand it were installed after the factory floor sound deadener.   For above the transmission it was installed before thew sound deadener so the workers didn't want any on the transmission or linkage to screw operations later so typically the factory applications started to the sides and behind at the plant.

Not the typical location of the spray so likely undercoating. Easy to get to that area with the long wands used to apply the nasty stuff in the 70's

Though different year, same plant some of the information in the article below may be of help. Found it using the search and the words "69 undercarriage" and my screen name as author

https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=929.msg6979#msg6979

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1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: 1969 Automatic shifter handles
« on: February 26, 2024, 10:31:28 PM »
[quote Plain ones (without the snake) were sold through may speed shops and in catalogs like JC Whitney and Honest Charles
]
Interesting but I doubt Hertz or Ford would replace one from those sources ( who knows) but probably from a Ford  dealer. My car went from Hertz back to Ford then I bought it so I wouldn't expect a third party part but who knows... :)
[/quote]

Dealer might have had them as an impulse item hanging in the dealership/at parts counter. As mentioned we will never know just discussing the possibilities

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1968 Shelby GT350/500/500KR / Re: 1968 500KR auto transmission
« on: February 26, 2024, 05:34:54 PM »
Remember the 3rd member section bare steel/machined areas also while your at it  ;)

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