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Wanted to Buy / Re: WTB: 1966 GT350 in unrestored unmolested condition
« on: April 02, 2020, 05:42:18 PM »
Iíve tried both and Brett doesnít have anything that I am looking for.  Vernon has not replied yet.

Hi Evan,

I received your inquiry in September of 2017, responded then. Have never received further communication if you have attempted to send something my way recently.

Happy to keep you in mind on an unrestored 66. Actually just had a blue/white stripe/chrome magnum/4 speed car like what you are looking for come in two months ago. Car hadn't seen the light of day in a long time.  It was sold before it got to KC though. Shoot me an email with exactly what you are looking for and, again, happy to keep you in mind when something comes up.

Kind regards,

Up For Auction / Re: John Atzbach Collection going to Mecum Indy
« on: April 02, 2020, 08:58:48 AM »
Does anyone know how we view all the lots? I mean the literature and memorabilia lots?
I wish John the best

The memorabilia lots are currently being worked on for publication...thereís thousands of lots which are just Shelby related memorabilia. Be sure to set aside hours at a time for going through the online catalog when itís published!

Kind regards,

1968 Shelby GT350/500/500KR / Re: Brochure, owner manual, etc.
« on: March 27, 2020, 06:17:59 AM »

The spec sheet you are showing a picture of is an original.

As did a list of all 68 related stuff, I donít such a list exists anywhere as it would be a long one. If you are more looking to start buying all the 68 realities stuff you can, a decent place to start would be the literature and memorabilia section of my website. I only sell original pieces, every item is guaranteed authentic.

Kind regards,

Without causing a Riot or more Chaos.... I have heard no one come forward to claim the purchase (or anyone who has TRUE actual knowledge)
that the "Bullitt Mustang Actually Sold for the stated sales price"

As a previous owner of (2) 1965 GT350R cars and know 5R002 quite well... It's the real deal and hopefully will go to someone who loves and cares for it as much as John Atzbach has.

My 2 cents... There is ZERO comparison between Bullitt and 002.

I believe the bullet car was bid up by Mecum, "Franks guy" supposedly won the bid and now Mecum has been negotiating with buyers to find it a new home and the seller isn't happy or hasn't accepted the lower offers.  There is no other explanation for no one claiming to be the owner of the car.

Ok guys, can we at least put this rumor to bed?

1) the car did find a real buyer.

2) that buyer, at least for now, wishes to remain anonymous. Iím sure the hobby will know sometime in the near future exactly who purchased it.

3) why remain anonymous? Honestly, I donít know..but if I spent 3.75m +\- on a car and wished to remain anonymous for a time, Iíd hope that Iíd earned the right to that esp given the price paid.

Rest assured, the bid on the car was real. Iím sure as heck not going to share the buyer though, the buyer can reveal himself at some point or give people permission to announce it if itís his prerogative to do that.

Kind regards,

Bullitt.  Mainly because the GT 350R will be selling On Line instead of in a Tent with 100's of People.

There is currently no plan to sell 5R002 in an online auction format. Itíll be selling at Indy in a crowded room of bidders.

Kind regards,
Vern, are you involved in the sale of 5R002?


Yes sir, Iím helping John with the sale of the cars as well as memorabilia.

Kind regards,

Bullitt.  Mainly because the GT 350R will be selling On Line instead of in a Tent with 100's of People.

There is currently no plan to sell 5R002 in an online auction format. Itíll be selling at Indy in a crowded room of bidders.

Kind regards,

Vintage Shelby Related Literature and Collectibles / Re: Pit Stop
« on: March 13, 2020, 03:42:44 PM »
Was super cheap...and thats with a "flipper" as the underbidder.

Thatll be the only chance anyone will have to get a cheap one of those.

Kind regards,

Up For Auction / Re: John Atzbach Collection going to Mecum Indy
« on: March 11, 2020, 05:52:12 PM »
1966 GT-350 Convertible, has one of those ever been auctioned? Estimate?

The red one was offered by worldwide some time back so yes.

Once John's Green example sells, I'm guessing all 4 examples will be essentially untouchable due to the quality of owners who will then have the cars.

Im guessing this is the last time someone is going to get a shot at one, frankly.

Kind regards,

Up For Auction / Re: John Atzbach Collection going to Mecum Indy
« on: March 11, 2020, 05:16:14 PM »
John also owns 5S207, one of the 4 factory Drag cars. I wonder if he is keeping it or has already sold it privately?

The two drag cars as well as one of the convertibles were sold privately recently.

Kind regards,

Replicas and Tribute / Re: 65 Shelby Cobra 4000 series?
« on: March 08, 2020, 03:59:54 PM »
If Sothebys is "valuing" the car at $250K hammer then you should ask them to write you a check at 180k and let them make the other 70K plus buyers premium that they are saying the car will being at their venue.

I'm guessing they won't be interested in doing that for reasons which should be obvious.

Just saying,

PS- If you are in charge of liquidating an estate and don't know much about the assets might want to ally yourself with an unbiased third party who knows the market, is not looking to buy the car, and is not hoping to obtain a contract to sell it on your behalf.

1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: New early '67 GT350 acquisition
« on: January 09, 2020, 01:56:13 PM »
Yes, Big D was quite a big guy, both in personality and in girth!  It is a wonderful car, and I'm really glad you own it.  I know Vern treated you right with that one. 

A quick plug for Vern Estes, one of the very few, honest used car salesman I've ever met.  Anyone in the market for a Shelby/Ford/ Cool car, would be smart to contact him.

Oh Brian, you are making me blush  ;D

In all seriousness, I appreciate your da man!

Glad Randy is enjoying his car. Wish I could have sorted the car a bit better for him (as is usual with my stuff) but he wanted the ole girl fast! Wish I had more time with it!

Kind regards,

Concours Talk / Re: Original floor pans
« on: January 07, 2020, 10:06:14 AM »
How you are not "upside down" in the car  ;D

Sorry, couldnt resist

Up For Auction / Re: 1967 GT40 on Hemmings
« on: January 04, 2020, 01:49:43 PM »
   The car with the #15 meat ball is not the same as the "winged" version. The # 15 clearly has the offset "stacks" indicating a tunnel port 427. The "winged car" has equal spaced stacks indicating a 494 or calliope engine. While J10 has many known drivers , NONE of them raced the car as a GT40 MK IV , because it wasn't until converted as the above information states. "To me" that is VERY mis leading and is likely what hurts the value of this car. A similar action would be using a real 289 Cobra to "build" the 7th , 8th , 50th Daytona coupe LOL.
    While not in the same category as the "modern run" of MKIVs done by Mike Teske , J10 simply wasn't a MKIV when built.
      Just this grumpy old man's opinion.

I personally agree that, from a historical perspective I would prefer to see both the G7As in the config that they raced in originally.

With that said, the owners of the cars have made them into MKIVs likely because they are far more marketable and likely more valuable in that configuration regardless of never being built that way by Ford/Kar Kraft/SAI.

Agree or disagree, its just the way it is. The G7A can am cars just have little if any following because they had little if any success. The McLarens mopped the floor with just about any Ford powered car that ran in Can Am.

Kind regards,

Up For Auction / Re: 1967 GT40 on Hemmings
« on: January 02, 2020, 01:06:35 PM »
The car is a legit J Car chassis but the price is a result of the fact that the car was one of the two J cars which was built as a can-am chassis (G7As) to little success. They were running BOSS9 engines with all the trimmings.

The can am J chassis are pretty darn cool cars and, frankly, i think it is well priced even given the fact that it wasn't originally a MKIV car. A legit MKIV should bring well over $10m in todays market, even for the "worst" race history examples I would think.

FWIW, the other Can Am spec J chassis is also alive in well in SoCal, and also bodied as a MKIV now.

Kind regards,

Up For Auction / Re: Autographed 66 Owners Manual 2nd Printing?
« on: November 18, 2019, 01:31:11 PM »
Thought those from a Vern posting  ::) Believe you posted two pictures of the cover also
Thanks for posting them again.

And addition not on the first Reproduction (to the left) picture is the  bolder "SEAT" letters also in an attempt to fix the punch binder holes

You bet. Found the old thread I was thinking of, 2008, looks like we both posted there...

Yes, there was also some cover photos showing detail differences, found those too, here's the uncropped originals...

Excellent example picture of the white square on the cover...also the "CS" with the checkered flag on the end of it never copies as well...

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