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Have fun on your hunt.

Quote from: SFM66H on March 28, 2020, 04:53:04 PM
Re: The C7FE LeMans cam "not being a particularly good grind" - I would readily concede that. This old dog is willing to try to learn a new trick! And others have mentioned Comp Cams to me. Do you have a part number of the one that you would recommend that I look into?

Thanks

What are you building? A street or a track car?

67400F8U00690. LKO. Chuck Bently, CT. That an old listing from the 97 Registry. I don't know what Dave has on it now or how public the information is. Originally sold new by Gotham Ford, NY, NY.

Write to the 67 Registrar and inquire.

Of course, this is just one possibility. It definitely was/is a 427 MR. I knew Larry and he bought the car with the 427 so that seemed to be all that he knew about it at the time?

No, no. This is oil drums they beat on with tire irons. Rap had some value. This must be what you do in La Dominica on Sabado noche at the dump?

I wonder how the frequency changes depending on the caliber of the bullets they get shot with? Hum? I need to be careful. I wouldn't want to shoot any rats?

Quote from: The Going Thing on March 28, 2020, 12:54:29 PM
Many of us are running 427 based engines.  It's that there are too many better options than TP heads and they make more power and run better.
It's why I suggested you went and ran you build by Barry Robotnic, Blair Patrick, Brent Lykins or Jay Brown. They're all in the forum and not only offer lots of free dyno-proven advice about combinations and components but will actually do your build if you so choose. Sure,  Hi riser and TP heads were cool in the day. They just don't run well on street engines. I have read about every FE build book out there. There is always more to learn technology always changes and it's why I consulted the best FE builders in the world.

Knowing what you know about the Edelbrock heads now, would you have picked a different head?

Quote from: The Going Thing on March 28, 2020, 01:30:03 PM
Doug?  Is this from personal experience? <snicker>

Want a list of injuries? When I show you the two scars on my left hand, your peepee is going to feel funny and you will feel faint. 

It does strike me though as to why I'm still around? For one thing, I fully expected to be shot dead by now?


It got so bad, I had to be careful how I carried myself coming in for supper. If I didn't, wifey would grab her car keys and ask, are we going to the ER now?

Quote from: 79stang351w on March 28, 2020, 01:39:10 PM
Thanks.  Dad worked at the dealership.  The parts guy called Ford Racing Division.  The short block came with domed 12 to 1 pistons.  It came with the off set rods (LeMans).  The heads were separated and required assembly.  They had the lightweight sodium valves.  He remembers the ports being large, like tunnel wedge.  He used the 428 intake though.  Mike

There have been lots of 67's converted to 427s. Barton's car is the only one that I know of that sounds like your description. I do believe that it was a box stock '67 2x4 MR though.

It's kind of difficult to find something that "you heard of" 50 years after the fact. It probably is rarer then being struck by lightening and yet that does happen?


I can tell you that my 67 had the stock 428 "shortblock" replaced with a 427 shortblock by a dealer, Mel Burns Ford, in '67-8 time frame but they reused the stock heads because of the exhaust port issue of 427 heads in a 67 Mustang chassis.

All FE heads look "big" until you have them side by side. Then there is big and then there IS B I G!


Memory can be tough. It doesn't seem like anything is the way you remember it.

Tisk, tisk.

There is no requirement of anyone here to post anything. There are no official agents of SAAC here assigned to answer your questions.

Most of us will post when we think that we can help. If we don't know, then there  likelyis nothing to post?


I personally have no issue with people building tribute cars but it does occur to me that some come here asking expecting an instruction manual, which doesn't exist.

Logically there is a point at which a tribute crosses over into a counterfeit? When someone asks for "what's the right die set to use to stamp the Shelby VIN tag with, that may have just crossed the line.


Now I doubt that anyone can justify printing replica $100 bills by telling the US Secret Service they are "tributes" but I suppose that's worth a shot?


Personally I will continue to try to help where I can within reason and I am sure others will as well. The issue is that we all will have our own personal limits on how much often proprietary information to share.

Some of us know more then others but few if any know absolutely everything about these cars?

Recently, this Forum as been MUCH MORE FORTHCOMING WITH HELP.


Now I can tell you that I've asked questions specifically about what "production line '67 GT500's parts should be" and was told SPECIFICALLY, "that's all I'm going to tell you, figure it out for yourself". So why should it be any different for you? That's just the way it is.

Take what you can here and consider it fortunate. If you can find a better source, power to you. Best of luck on your endeavors.

Larry Barton in CT had one that sounds similar? I don't know about the gears though.

He got killed in a private plane crash around 1980. Search the 67 Registry under that name for current updates.

Maybe Dave has something for you.


Back then, you ordered a 427 service engine from a Ford Parts dealer. They were all pretty much gone by the fall of '67.

You could still get one from Holman-Moody for a little while longer.


67 427's apparently were available two ways. Single 4v (like in the CSX3300 Cobras) and dual 4's like in the R code Fairlanes. Either way, those were the best of the breed.

Wear a mouthpiece.

Quote from: The Going Thing on March 28, 2020, 01:18:49 PM
One of the original writers on the Zombie apocalypse.

I'm on the lookout fro zombies. None yet. Mostly still just Dominicans from the Bronx. The come here, look for toilet paper, get tested (to raise our numbers) then have a party in the driveway banging on steel drums.

Why does it have to be steel drums?

.020/.025 are the Ford specs. Hot.

You generally can add more top end or more bottom end by varying the clearance specs. +/- .004 is about as much as you want to vary. You need to listen for "sputz" in the exhaust. Then they are too tight and not closing completely.



The Ford Performance Book indicates there is an early and a late version of the cam.

For you to have the early version, it would have had to come out of a GT40 MkI. It's possible but very unlikely.

What you probably have is the Ford Service Parts cam.


It's interesting in that many come here attempting to alieveate their stresses and just create more? Having fun yet?


I should also mention at this point that the"LeMans cam" isn't particularly a good grind. I'd recommend that you look at something more current, maybe from CompCams who has some experience with Fords.

It's really kind of a conundrum of a cam. It really will do nothing for you unless you intend to run a 24 hr race at WOT with Webers?

There it's smooth but it gives so much away as a street cam profile.


Look at your head flow characteristics. How does the limited lift on that cam make the heads work? It doesn't have enough lift.


So what, "it's a real Ford 'Lemans cam'". Who cares? No one is going to take it seriously these days.


The listing indicates it fits all Ford small blocks except the 351c. I don't remember it fitting a 351w? I think that engine has a different size bearing lobe? I may be wrong on that? I haven't done one in about 35 years. It also has a different firing order then a 289.

Ford didn't change the 302 to the 351w firing order until the '80s. There would be a firing order mismatch even if you could put it in a 351.

There were some warranty issues with broken camshafts in 68 or 69. The fix was to go to the 351w firing order eventually.

Also, how you "fix" reversion with Webers is generally reduce the amount of overlap. On a Ford that means cutting it down to around 28 degrees total. Some grinders will tell you it's just a late closing intake. I'm not a cam grinder but with 94 degrees of overlap, with Webers that cam has got to throw fuel like a volcano spewing lava?

My point is, I just found some inaccuracies in that chart.

I was actually watching Dr.Strangelove or is it Strangeglove, last night. I needed the senseless frivolity.

Sellers definitely had that ability to turn something so serious into a round of ridiculous non-sense.

Cheers Mr.Peter.

We all need to be sure of the Purity of Essence of our bodily fluids? 


I'll also agree that riding along a beach and finding the torch of the "Statue of Liberty" sticking out of the sand is a very troubling thought as well. Actually Sunshine was pretty hot and even better, she didn't talk?

I grew up seeing the real statue every day. One day it just hit me as if I just saw it for the first time. It's very emotional when that happens. Difficult to hide your tears from the children. They don't understand.

This one is boring, I know, but someone asked.

Earl, is there a bypass hose with that set up?