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Agreed. I think because it is a celebrity's car makes it that much more difficult.
Plus, I consider some might not be fans of Morrison and that's fine, but as you stated they are underestimating the knowledge that's obvious on this forum.

Quote from: Coralsnake on March 17, 2019, 07:05:10 PM
The list of people who have tried to pull off fakes is pretty long. If there really is a conspiracy to reconstruct any car, I guess we will have to wait to see it.

Apparently, at least some forum members think that is a possibilty, I do not.

I think they underestimate the collective knowledge here. I do not, because I have been here from day one and I know how powerful that is....

Try their free preview. It's quite cool.

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How do you search ads? I would have thought they were data in an image. Are the transcribed so you can google them?
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Thank you!  This this is the kind of idea dialog I was hoping to spark with my initial post. How great would it be to solve a long-standing mystery on the SAAC forum, or is that idea too nieve?

I have not heard anything definitive as to who Ray is. I've tried to search the phone number in online directories and have come up empty. Possibly I have not hit the right one yet, who knows.

I learned about the whole newspapers.com thing because of great guy on another forum. If someone had a car which had California history (plates) he was able to search the license plate, because they required it in adds in CA. Some unknown owner history was discovered this way.   

Quote from: TransamEd on March 17, 2019, 02:50:57 PM
The Ray's High Performance Center ad is quite interesting. Obviously the Inglewood, West Century address is not to far away (within LA) from the earlier 901 Sepulveda , El Segundo address of Ray Wolffs shop. Could this be Ray Wolffs repair garage or a subcontracted garage later in that 70 period? Or is the owner of Rays HP center known as another Ray?

There is some similarity to Jim Langes Ray Wolff 68 racer being clipped with a 67 Shelby front clip from #2481.

Could be they used crash cars and their front or rear to build another car. Of course the "showroom condition" in the first ad in post #1 speaks against it.
Just saying to trigger another idea that either the front or rear of #939 after the crash was saved for something new.
Anything known about the other 67 GT500 with a licence plate JEK616?

To be honest, it would not surprise me if this happened. Then it becomes important to have a good paper trail to go with it. Sure there are countless ways to do this, but this car will be scrutinized to no end. I always maintain the truth always comes out. Then we'll see if the Morrison/Courson heirs come after it.

Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on March 17, 2019, 10:53:15 AM
Missed this one.

No dont believe so, this car has been being worked on for years.
Acquiring the proper year and model, making sure all the I are doted and Ts are crossed properly. This is not something that they started work on a year ago , five years ago. It's been worked on for years. This Jimmy's car has been marinating, aged and massaged until its reveal. The person who has been doing it is also an expert. That is why when it is found no questions will be raised. Years of work, dotting the i and crossing the t...

Quote from: Waiting for 939 on March 15, 2019, 07:18:56 PM
Thank you! I am confident that there are enough experts on this forum that would call out a recreation posing as the original.

Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on March 15, 2019, 07:00:01 PM

His own father was also unaware of much about his son. Watch the video on Youtube of Admiral Morrison's interview about his son. It seems he took little interest in his son's career. Also, In spite of what has been written about Jim and his "estranged" family, he supposedly kept in contact with his siblings all through his days with The Doors. That man has a valuable memento with that George Washington High School yearbook. Especially if Jim signed it.
   

Quote from: propayne on March 16, 2019, 02:11:21 PM
Not completely on-topic but here is my Jim Morrison story.

I lived and worked for several years in Alexandria Virginia, just a few blocks from George Washington High School, the high school that Jim Morrison attended.

My wife and I were living in a duplex which was built in the '40s. We owned one side and on the other was an older gentlemen who we got along with well and who lived in his side all alone - his wife having long since passed away and their only son also long gone with a family of his own.

The time finally came that the old gentlemen needed to be moved into a nursing facility and the son came to facilitate that. I offered to lend a hand and while loading stuff up I noticed the son's George Washington yearbooks. I asked if I could have a look and searched immediately for Jim Morrison. Found him in what is now a well publicized class photo and pointed it out to the son. He said he remembered Jim well (not a very big school). I was amazed to find out that the son was not at all familiar with The Doors and Jim Morrison's subsequent fame and fortune and early demise 

- Phillip

An old-time drag racer told me one time. When some people call a car "clean" it means they just washed the windows.
That Showroom condition quote in the add made me wonder too. Marketing 101.

Quote from: Show room condition seems like it would be a stretch.
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I considered that especially when I saw a car on this forum that had a replacement VIN stamped in the door frame by the DMV. I don't know the extent of where VINs are placed by the Ford factory. I know with Chevys there are several locations of the "hidden VINs" and those have debunked some high dollar Camaro's. Sadly, you are never going to prevent the scammers from doing their dirty work. That's why a paper trail is so important with any collectible.

Possible previous damage can be a telltale sign on identifying this car?

     

Quote from: shelbydoug on March 16, 2019, 12:45:53 PMe
I actually expect it to be around and registered under the Ford number some where. That being not in
California because of the license plate separation. The stories on how that car was wrecked several times makes me suspect it had a new front clip and the Ford numbers gone?

Same. When you see for-sale adds 1-2 years after it was purported by insiders to have already be long gone. I think what is not being said is what really interests me.

Jim however, I think we can accept that he is not coming back.

Quote from: 69bosssvt on March 16, 2019, 11:10:55 AM
I actually love the idea that there is a certain sense of uncertainty surrounding this car. It piques my interest that there could be a possibility that this car is still "with us".... Jim too...lol!

Is that known information or a belief? They would need parts like in the picture below right?

Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on March 16, 2019, 08:29:18 AM
gone but painstakingly being recreated....

Quote from: Coralsnake on March 16, 2019, 07:49:41 AM
Personally, I would remain open to the idea.

If you think its been crushed, I have two words for you "little red" 🦄

Disguised as a 1968 some said, others said no way....

Same with Bullit Mustang and look at what that car has become.

I have a true story about that car which emphasizes you just never know. I was a manager at a well-known Speed Shop in Northern Jersey. We had a part-time high school kid who worked after-school and mentioned that he knew who had the car, and described that it still had signs of camera mounts etc. We pushed and pushed this kid to lead us to view this iconic movie car. Well, it never happened and was dismissed and forgotten about.

Later when the car was unveiled by the son of the owner, and he mentioned his dad had passed. I found his obituary online and I was surprised to read and realize, that the high-school kid was the nephew of the man who had the Bullit Mustang all of those years in Madison NJ. Less than 5 miles from the speed shop.

The nephew probably mentioned to his uncle that he worked with some fellow gearheads that wanted to see the car.
Obviously, we can all imagine how that conversation went.

So, information comes and goes and is forgotten.   

Quote from: Coralsnake on March 16, 2019, 07:49:41 AM
Personally, I would remain open to the idea.

If you think its been crushed, I have two words for you "little red" 🦄

Disguised as a 1968 some said, others said no way....

I think it's very interesting about the one common denominator about this car. Totaled, crushed, gone in 1969.
If I quote a well-known tautology, "We don't know what we don't know". If I apply this to the Shelby and the stories told.
The people telling the 1969 story as fact, were not aware that one day we would be able to search the internet to find a for-sale adds from 1970 and 1971.

This same thing applies now, and its totally plausible that the car was parted out over the years. But I don't think so.
I believe there was a conscious effort of misinformation to dissuade people from searching for the car.
Jim's former brother-in-law told the "went missing from LAX story. Jim's former bodyguard said in an article "it did not survive by any means". It was crushed in 1969.

"We don't know what we don't know" Yet....

Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on March 15, 2019, 09:15:11 PM
kinda sorta agree with your statement, but will take the liberty to rephrase ;

  the lack of items from this car showing up for sale suggests that it is gone from the face of the earth .

but that does not rule out the creativity of some to reconstruct and resurrect...if and when it comes back to life, not even the most astute people / judges will be able to distinguish that it's not the real one...

rise lazarus, rise...

Quote from: Waiting for 939 on March 15, 2019, 08:54:16 PM
I think the lack of items from this car showing up for sale suggests the possibility it's still out there.
Every other thing Doors or Jim Morrison related seems to end up on eBay.
I remember even seeing items from the house he lived in off of Laurel Canyon. Lights, switch covers Etc.
Nothing from the Blue Lady though, save for the copy of the registration. From what I recall that was obtained from Jim's friend Paul Ferrera, went to a Doors memorabilia collector who offered it on eBay. The rest is history.

A little known fact about Paul Ferrera. He was driving the Shelby in the scene when Jim was hitchhiking in his movie HWY. 

Quote from: CharlesTurner on March 15, 2019, 08:34:12 PM

Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on March 15, 2019, 08:22:39 PM
naaaa, they are usually sold on ebay...


https://www.ebay.com/itm/163590115308?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649

Think this was a question about the license plates...

I think the lack of items from this car showing up for sale suggests the possibility it's still out there.
Every other thing Doors or Jim Morrison related seems to end up on eBay.
I remember even seeing items from the house he lived in off of Laurel Canyon. Lights, switch covers Etc.
Nothing from the Blue Lady though, save for the copy of the registration. From what I recall that was obtained from Jim's friend Paul Ferrera, went to a Doors memorabilia collector who offered it on eBay. The rest is history.

A little known fact about Paul Ferrera. He was driving the Shelby in the scene when Jim was hitchhiking in his movie HWY. 

Quote from: CharlesTurner on March 15, 2019, 08:34:12 PM

Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on March 15, 2019, 08:22:39 PM
naaaa, they are usually sold on ebay...


https://www.ebay.com/itm/163590115308?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649

Think this was a question about the license plates...

Thank you! I am confident that there are enough experts on this forum that would call out a recreation posing as the original.

Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on March 15, 2019, 07:00:01 PM
First let me welcome you to the SAAC boards and congratulate you on your first post.

I see we share some of the same interests the Doors, Jimmy and Shelbys.

Truly very interesting articles you provide.

Dont agree that the car is still with us , but I believe as you mentioned that possibly someone of influence or great influence would want to recreate or resuscitate this valuable Shelby.

Hello All,

I am new to posting here but I have been a casual lurker for quite some time now. My main objective of a post here is to revive a famous, (or infamous depending on your viewpoint) topic. The search for Jim Morrison's 1967 GT500, the "Blue Lady".

I am not a collector but a Shelby and Doors fan. The information I am posting is already out there because I found it on Newspapers.com, and I am not the first to find it. I wish to update the ongoing narrative about this car, that it was last seen in 1969 and "known to be" destroyed.

The 1967 GT500 Shelby license plate VRD 389 was posted for sale in 1970 and as late as October 1971 in the Los Angeles Times. At a place called Ray's Hi-Performance Center in Inglewood, CA. To me, it appears the car had 14k then 15k miles on it as posted. So, someone was driving it. It states in one add that it "has been stored" and was listed for $2500 then $2350. I feel that Morrison's driving history with this car dictated that someone of influence, urged that the car be put up for sale. Possibly his eventual move to Paris in April 1971 prompted this sale.

This to me is convincing proof that his car existed after 1969 and even after his death in July 1971. Now we moved up the mystery up 2 years and I believe the car still exists out there somewhere. Let us start off the discussions based on these adds.