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Quote from: Side-Oilers on August 29, 2020, 03:50:27 PM
Super Cool, Vern!  Thanks for the added info.

PS: What a cool room you must of had as a kid.  (Probably even cooler now.)

I was a strange kid....every dime went into collecting old car junk    I wish I had a picture of my room back then, thinking back on it, it was pretty darn cool!

Nowadays all the car junk is at the building...for some reason the wife didnt like the car parts in the living room when she moved in..? Still dont get it?

Vern

The above photograph was taken on my childhood room's floor 

The set of 1L 013s is one of two matched sets which remain together. The 1A 4101s are the only matched set currently together that I am aware of. Both were purchased from Ed Casey's son. Ed was the east coast sales rep for Shelby American in 1967-69. Before Ed had the 013s, they were run on CSX2323, most notably with Dan Gurney at the wheel at the targa florio.  Today those 013s are riding on the front and back on 2323 once again as it is campaigned in vintage events.

To confirm the above, MFG 013s are Shelby American's plate. The 4101s are Hi Performance Motors Dealer plate. Seeing as HPM as a part of Shelby American, those 4101s were also on rare occasions run on Shelby American race cars.

Kind regards,
Vern

Hey guys,

Just a heads up that the items end tomorrow night!  Get them bids in while you can!

Some of the highlights are below...although there is a bunch of cool stuff listed in the 53 total items!

First Printing 1966 GT350 Owners Manual
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143680609540?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

1967 Shelby Cobra Accessory Keychain
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143680947469?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

Original 427 Cobra Ad Slicks..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143680609377?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

SOME INCREDIBLE 1968-69 Original Photographs from Crew Chief Dixie Dean of the Gulf GT40 Race Team!!!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133491590838?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133492473300?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143680983327?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143680986312?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143682086360?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133491622208?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133492477951?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133491642946?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143681003671?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133491662272?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133491692229?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133491705413?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133491715590?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143681045398?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

Kind regards,
Vern

Hey Guys,

First of all I appreciate the kind words from the above posters. This will be my last post on the thread because I don't believe my or anyone else's time is well spent b#itching back and forth on an internet forum. Life is too short for meaningless drama which is what this thread has, for some reason, become.

"427Hunter" is right in that the thread shouldnt be about me. Where he and I seem to disagree is that he feels ive made the thread about myself.

My understanding of my involvement on this thread is as follows.
1) In my first post I made a sarcastic comment about trading 66s for 65s straight up. This is where a normal, well adjusted adult would either choose to snicker or not depending on whether or not you appreicate my particular brand of humor. 
2) My second post was made in response to another poster expressing an opinion about potential value differences in late vs early 66s. I responded to that post in a way which, at least I think, emphasized how great 66 Shelbys of all serial numbers are and that values dont generally tend to reflect serial number as much as they do the quality of the car. At least my intention of that post was to emphasize enthusiasm for the model year. I'm sorry if I was mistaken, but considering that this is a forum emphasizing the sharing of info, I thought I was trying to share my opinions in a way that might inform others about a specific topic which another poster brought into the conversation. Instead, I was branded as making the thread "all about values".
3) My third post was an attempt to get along with "427Hunter" who, in my view, has taken three fairly clear swipes at me on a public forum without anything which I would assume was or could be considered a provocation.

In my view, I'm not the specific poster on this thread who has chosen to make this thread about myself. That was handled very effectively by the guy who seems to be repeatedly making the accusation by going out of his way to take swings at someone who doesn't know.

I've got no beef with "427Hunter" personally...and I'm willing to let "bygones be bygones" and move on. We can all agree that we share a passion for the cars. More importantly, what I appreciate more about the hobby are the people involved, its only partially about the cars after you're "in it" for long enough.  I'm hopefully "427Hunter" and I can get along and both appreciate the passion that we share for these great cars.

Let's all move on with the thread.

Vern

Guys,

Just to be clear, my initial comment was intended to be taken with jest.  Sorry to anyone who didnt take it that way...but I felt it would clearly come across as a joke.

Anyone who actually knows me, knows that my attaction to the cars goes way beyond being "only attacted by money". In fact, I love the cars so much that I have made them my life's work. If that offends anyone, is what it is.  But I'm not going to sit on a forum and take random swipes at someone I don't know.

For what it's worth, I love 66s every bit as much as the OP does on this thread. I agree that the cars represent an awesome balance between the raw performance of a 65 and the styling upgrades more associated with the later years. Again, was making a harmless joke. Lighten up fella, its all good!

Carry On,
Vern

Quote from: 427hunter on August 18, 2020, 06:06:59 PM

Quote from: Vernon Estes on August 18, 2020, 03:51:09 PM
Quick note to all your 65 Shelby owners out there reading up about how much better 66 Shelbys are...

I'm offering a special promotional program currently where Ill trade you a 66 of equal quality and originality for your lesser, crude, plain-jane 65...and I don't even want any cash on the hood! Straight trade...my loss is your gain...hurry while supplies last!

You mean you would be the middle man and make money on the transaction  - especially since you don't own either

Neither here nor there...but I own the cars I sell. I only "broker" on rare occasions when guys who have bought cars from me want to resell them and would prefer it that way.

Just not my bag..takes all kinds to make the world go round though.

Quote from: shelbyluva on August 18, 2020, 05:43:24 PM

Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on August 18, 2020, 05:11:01 PM
1966 below aprox 1,000 is the high watermark. The ones with over-ride traction bars and either factory or owner lowered A arms along with Konis gives you all the BP winning chassis advantages. The engine continues the performance upgrades of the 65. The rear 1/4 windows set it apart from pedestrian Mustang grocery getters. As soon as you get to 1967 the cars start to be heavier and more of a styling exercise than performance road racers. By the time Ford was building them in 1968 they were only heavy expensive restyled Mustangs with nothing different in the drivetrain that you couldn't order on any Mustang. Which explains the rapid demise of GT350 and GT500 once Ford took them over.

I agree, and continue to find that the market doesn't seem to recognize cars 253 through approximately 1000 as including more desirable features that 98SVT mentions through different valuation to be interesting.

I think its hard to peg what the "market" at large puts value on...no two buyers are the same. I think a lot of guys, when it comes to 66s, want an earlier car for the spec details you are referring to...  Conversely, a lot of guys buy strictly on the quality, originality, history, or combination of all of a specific car. Personally, I don't value a late "non carryover" car any less than an early "non carryover" 66 if both cars are equal. Might you take the earlier one if you literally had the choice of two cars with equal traits in every regard except the difference in serial numbers?...probably. But that sort of idealistic choice scenario is something which generally wouldnt happen in the real world.  At the same time, Id personally rather have a great late 66 over a lesser quality, earlier car.  Same with 65s...id rather have a fantastic front battery car over a middle of the road "2-digit". To me, I think its harder to find a great car than it is a great serial number.  Again, that is just my own personal taste. Everyone is different in what they prefer when it comes to buying these cars.

Kind regards,
Vern

Quick note to all your 65 Shelby owners out there reading up about how much better 66 Shelbys are...

I'm offering a special promotional program currently where Ill trade you a 66 of equal quality and originality for your lesser, crude, plain-jane 65...and I don't even want any cash on the hood! Straight trade...my loss is your gain...hurry while supplies last!

Hey Guys!

Here we go again!

53 new items listed on eBay this week, ending this coming Sunday evening (8/23)....all items, as usual, are NO RESERVE with .99 starting bids!

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=vernonestes&_sop=1

Kind regards,
Vern

Quote from: 67 GT350 on August 10, 2020, 11:08:34 AM
So can I tell my potential buyer that the big wigs at SAAC all say, color changes and transmissions changes hardly effect the price?

That might work, except when a SAAC big wig shows up to buy my car, then I bet I will be told, "You know, because you put a nice 4 speed in your car, that has hurt its value." Or The color is not correct, thus I cannot pay as much as I would it you had painted it the correct color."

Don't know about being a "big wig"...last time I checked I am merely a "full member" on the site here whereas we all know that post count is what truly dictates your prospective "level" in the overall hierarchy of the hobby 

As far as responding to your particular post...anyone looking to buy anything is going to be very quick to identify anything they see as a "shortcoming" which can be used to negotiate in that person's favor...just as you, as the seller, will be quick to note the car's many positives in the hopes of bolstering the car's desirability. Luckily for you, as the seller, you can tell a potential suitor where to stick his offer if it is not up to the level that you want for the car. All you need is one guy who doesn't care about a trans or color swap to sell the car...and there are WAY more than of those buyers out there. There are also plenty of guys who want Lime cars...

In short....its your car, do what you want with it. Life is too short to worry about whether or not some other knucklehead out there cares about a color or trans change on YOUR car.

Kind regards,
Vern

Quote from: shelbydoug on August 10, 2020, 06:52:46 AM
Does a transmission type change effect the market value negatively?

In general, 4 speed cars are the more desirable, sell the quickest and bring a premium over an auto.

Of course, there are many buyers specifically looking for autos at the same time,..just that most buyers want factory 4 speed cars right now.

Interestingly, 4 speeds are favored enough right now that auto cars converted to 4 speeds, IMO, are similar to lime cars painted to more desirable colors...they actually dont suffer value declines and might actually sell for more if all else is equal despite the cars being "modified".

Again, just my 2 cents...

Vern

Quote from: 2112 on August 07, 2020, 04:04:07 PM
^^^

Good to hear. Reminds back of when color changes were commonplace as it was all about enjoying your car as much as possible.

Ive seen the market shifting back towards that attitude in the last year years.

The last 3-4 concours 65 GT350s that have gone through my hands have all had radials put on them at the request of the new owners...

Kind regards,
Vern

Bump to the top!

Items end tomorrow evening and there an absolute TON of steals at his point!

Get those bids in while you can!

Kind regards,
Vern

In the last year I sold a very nice car which had been taken from Lime to Brittany Blue..

The color change made no difference on the price of the car, as I expected. Sure, some people inquired and ended up not interested because its a color change car. At the same time, Lime tends to be a bit of an acquired taste so, had the car still been lime, it would have likely taken a while to sell for the same price.

I find Lime to be a pretty polarizing color. Most peopel are not a fan but then there is a small group of guys who are super fans and have to have that particular color.

In short, I dont feel changing the color of the car will hurt its potential resale value at all. If anything, it might make it more "sale-able" to a larger % of the market than the original ime color is.

Just my 2 cents...the advice is probably worth what you're paying for it 

Vern

Hey Guys!

Just wanted to drop a note on the forum that I have just listed 64 ORIGINAL pieces of Shelby American related memorabilia on eBay! The items range from the most common types of items to the most rare! All sorts of showroom literature, original literature, accessories...everything imaginable! Please feel free to take a peak!

All items are .99 starting bids, NO RESERVE WHATSOEVER! All auctions end on Sunday night (8/9)

Link to the auctions: https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=vernonestes&_sop=1

Thanks for taking a look and good luck in bidding!

Kind regards,

Vern

Yup, small letter! THanks for looking Jeff!