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I guess getting back to the original point of this is that did Ford build out Shelbys knowing they would be converted to 70 models? 4 speed  GT350 distributors are dated June of 1969 so well before the end of the last Shelby being produced. With ford having designs going for a 71 Shelby and AO Smith cancelling their contract after 1969 did Ford decide to keep building 69 Shelbys under the contract with AO Smith knowing these built cars would eventually be 1970 models? I know Claude wanted a bunch for his dealership in Belgium and ordered a bunch of 70s but other than that what was Ford's direction in all of this? I don't think this topic has ever been discussed in length and too many people say all 1970s were leftover 69s that Ford couldn't sell so they decided to convert to 1970 models. Time frame from distributors being made, Ford testing to come up with the ED distributors, Claude ordering 70 Shelby all point to me that Ford possibly in the spring decided to build out some Shelbys for 1970 after losing the AO Smith contract at the end of 1969 production. Thoughts?
 Also on my 1969 1970 Shelby Mustang Facebook page I started a topic on 70 GT350 distributors  since we have some 70 owners on the page to find out  to what is on people's cars.


Kind of ironic that if this ascertain was being made on bring a trailer, you would be attacking the seller for trying to explain something that's not correct.
Oh,  you can't help being an incorrect ASSHOLE.  ZERO VALUE added. Go away.


Well that's the frying pan calling the kettle black, ha ha ha  ;D

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I guess getting back to the original point of this is that did Ford build out Shelbys knowing they would be converted to 70 models? 4 speed  GT350 distributors are dated June of 1969 so well before the end of the last Shelby being produced. With ford having designs going for a 71 Shelby and AO Smith cancelling their contract after 1969 did Ford decide to keep building 69 Shelbys under the contract with AO Smith knowing these built cars would eventually be 1970 models? I know Claude wanted a bunch for his dealership in Belgium and ordered a bunch of 70s but other than that what was Ford's direction in all of this? I don't think this topic has ever been discussed in length and too many people say all 1970s were leftover 69s that Ford couldn't sell so they decided to convert to 1970 models. Time frame from distributors being made, Ford testing to come up with the ED distributors, Claude ordering 70 Shelby all point to me that Ford possibly in the spring decided to build out some Shelbys for 1970 after losing the AO Smith contract at the end of 1969 production. Thoughts?
 Also on my 1969 1970 Shelby Mustang Facebook page I started a topic on 70 GT350 distributors  since we have some 70 owners on the page to find out  to what is on people's cars.


Kind of ironic that if this ascertain was being made on bring a trailer, you would be attacking the seller for trying to explain something that's not correct.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Petersen Museum Shelby Cruise-In
« on: January 11, 2024, 10:23:46 PM »
Yes i'll be there but my shelby won't unfortunately water pump issues ,but i'll be there with my  Ford Gt ,you have to buy ticket as i believe it sells out, they also have free tickets which i got.

It used to be free to attend, hopefully requiring tickets dose not hurt the turnout. Post some photos if you guys can I am interested to see what shows up.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Petersen Museum Shelby Cruise-In
« on: January 11, 2024, 12:24:08 PM »
Is anyone on the forum planning on attending this event in Los Angeles on Sunday January 21st? Anyone been to it in the past?

I used to really like that event, it used to have a great turnout with many real cobra's and Shelby Mustangs. If I had not escaped California and didn't fear stepping in a little fecal matter I would still go.

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1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Stripped 69 at auction
« on: December 30, 2023, 04:16:14 PM »
Good solid bones - it will be interesting to see what it sells for.

It will also be interesting to see if the original parts manage to magically return to it.

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: vintage 66 photo
« on: December 21, 2023, 08:46:18 PM »
2 years, then got 68 GT500 #817...the bought 67 #2944 in August 1972...still have it

Fantastic! Real wisdom to hold onto it, most people have a lifetime of regrets rather then a lifetime of good memories!

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: vintage 66 photo
« on: December 21, 2023, 05:01:22 PM »
When I bought the car that summer, while washing it some of the paint flaked off on the side stripe, revealing the original gold...

I like the red, how long did you keep it?

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: vintage 66 photo
« on: December 21, 2023, 12:07:22 PM »
6S531  1970...(complete with  Shelby-American T-shirt)... ::)




Very cool, interesting that by 1970 it has red stripes - someone wanted their gt350 to look different..

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: 1969 BOSS 302 GT 350 Prototype
« on: December 18, 2023, 12:08:27 PM »
Here are some facts for you that like facts:

The car is being represented as a "Shelby GT350"

The car was not built as a Shelby until more than 25 years after Ford assembled it as a Boss 302

The car does have a "G48" serial number

The owner posted factory paperwork that very specifically says "Not a Shelby"

The owner posted vintage pictures of the car in the Boss 302 trim, without the correct quarters or tail lights for a Shelby

1969 Shelbys were not built at Kar Kraft as the owner previously stated.

So, whats the argument about?

Oh, maybe its that there is no adult supervision on the forum?  I think its just been proven again.

Agreed Bill, I see a couple of guys that want to keep the contention going...as they often say, when you resort to name calling, you have lost the argument.


Other then in your own mind who is saying these things? The history of the car is known you are the only person unable to accept things. I am not sure why you want to try and sow discontent here and on BAT but you seem to thrive on it.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: 1969 BOSS 302 GT 350 Prototype
« on: December 18, 2023, 12:15:59 AM »
Seagull SAAC Forum - people just fly in S#it all over someone else’s car and then fly away, no facts but lots of opinions.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: 1969 BOSS 302 GT 350 Prototype
« on: December 17, 2023, 08:32:20 PM »
I think that the end statement that is the one that will resonate loudest is that on December 17,2023 with four days left in the auction there are still zero bids. The starting point is $350,000.00.

So not a lot of people willing at this point to jump into the pool.

The car is a really interesting, cool looking, conversation piece. It has had a lot of high end atta-boys but is still not generating the fiscal interest in the deep end of the pool.

As a car I like it, at that price point, I don't.


John
another thing people like to consider is how much of the original car is left? I saw it with original quarters done and appeared to have bodywork done as in bondo flairs at the top of the quarters. I grew up a few miles from Dearborn and have owned a lot of Mich Mustangs and in a few short years these cars were rusting out. I have owned my share of rusty Mi Mustangs to where we broke a rusty shock tower on a 69 in 1978 doing donuts and hitting the curb with the pass wheel breaking the DS shock tower(I wasn't driving nor was it my car). 1980 I owned a 44Kmile  one owner 70 with a rusted floor to the point the DS seat rocked a little. So this car being in my neck of the woods being swiss cheese when dipped decades later wouldn't surprise me. The original engine was out there but not in the car nor owned by the second owner in 1984. So how did the original engine find its way back into the car(did it?). So you have a unique 1 of 1 car but how much of the original car is there? I'm sure some buyers would be considering that also but others not? Time will tell.


Straw man arguments and talking in circles, now your casting aspersion. If credibility matters to you give it a rest.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: 1969 BOSS 302 GT 350 Prototype
« on: December 17, 2023, 12:16:50 PM »
Straw man arguments and talking in circles that's what this has become.

It is a G48 - it left Dearborn as a boss 302 coded on the vin to be a Shelby, that is the story.

This is for the prime instigator "Shelbyman":

Who said it was built as a Selby?

Who said it went to A.O. Smith?

Are you saying the vin numbers and body stamps are fake?

What are you trying to accomplish?

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: 1969 BOSS 302 GT 350 Prototype
« on: December 16, 2023, 09:45:22 PM »
I think the Marti report tells the tale. The car was built May 6th. It was released May 8th. It was sold to the original owner as a Boss 302 June 16th. It would be physically impossible for it to have been built in Dearborn as a Boss 302 (we all know Shelby's started life as Mustangs at Dearborn, Metuchen & San Jose), shipped  to AO Smith, converted into a Shelby, shipped back to Dearborn, converted back into a Boss 302, then released to the dealer in 2 days. I'm just looking at it logically with the facts that are presented. Am I wrong?


Your going to have to explain why you think "it's physically impossible for it to have been built in Dearborn as a boss 302" - it is a boss 302 and was built at Dearborn.

The car was never turned into a shelby by A.O. Smith it never went there, it was dressed up like a shelby after it was restored by the owner at that time. The car is coded 48 which means Shelby mustang - but left Dearborn as a boss 302. 

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: 1969 BOSS 302 GT 350 Prototype
« on: December 16, 2023, 06:54:40 PM »
This has become nothing more then another saac form s#!t show. I don't get what the problem is, this car is not being represented as original, everyone knows the history and what it looked like before and after. It's a G48 nothing more to say. I think it's a great car and converting it to Shelby trim just made it cooler looking, the car is a great part of Ford/Shelby history.
+1 This S show goes back 15 years. I personally heard him weave his tall tale to me at a Roush open house. The car is fabulous for what it is. It all  started with a  Must monthly article in 2008... Who wrote the article?


Why all the vitriol? The car had/has nothing to do with who owns it.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: 1969 BOSS 302 GT 350 Prototype
« on: December 16, 2023, 02:18:12 PM »
This has become nothing more then another saac form s#!t show. I don't get what the problem is, this car is not being represented as original, everyone knows the history and what it looked like before and after. It's a G48 nothing more to say. I think it's a great car and converting it to Shelby trim just made it cooler looking, the car is a great part of Ford/Shelby history. 

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