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Quote from: 1331 on July 01, 2020, 11:28:44 PM
Clearly Ray Wolfe's business card that I posted a picture of from The John Atzbach auction is legit.

The phone numbers are one and the same with the ads referenced in the first post on this thread.

Ray Wolfe advertised Jims car for sale up until October 2, 1971 in the LA Times.
So ....unless Ray fraudulently listed a 1967 GT 500 with license plate VRD 389 (known to belong to Jim Morrison) then, this is indisputable proof that Jim Morrison's  1967 GT500 was in existence and in running and driving condition three months after Jim died in 1971.

Very Interesting ^^^^^^

Quote from: Bob Gaines on July 01, 2020, 10:56:42 PM

Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on July 01, 2020, 09:55:11 PM

Quote from: 1331 on July 01, 2020, 09:06:23 PM
The plot thickens.....

I don't follow.  What does a generic 67 sill plate and a Ray Wolff business card have to do with Morrison's car?

QSS

Here is a more personal Ray Wolff business card. I believe the shop on the card advertised in the news paper the car for sale back in the day . Who knows what the significance of the typical sill plate emblem is.

Carroll spelt wrong on Hi-Po Motors card

WOW 

Just one thing ,the link for the Cobra and the 66 convertible goes to the 66 Shelby.

When i first saw this post headline i thought it must be from either "Coral the Viper Snake" or "Tony the Florida Hurricane"

But Randy.....OK

So it's turned to Gun Choice.

Glocks, Mp5s, 1911s, all good choices

Or 140 year old classics, an't that what we about.

Average shooter (me) practice stage 23 on target shots in 27 seconds, with 4 guns = a lot of dead perps.

BTW a fast shooter can do that in 12 seconds.

Anyway we are in the lounge.

Video clip below...

Quote from: CharlesTurner on May 30, 2020, 08:44:13 PM
Bolt on parts red-oxide was fairly consistent, much more than the undercarriage.  I would not use the same color primer as the undercarriage on those, the typical dp-74lf red-oxide is usually close enough for bolt-on parts.

Also, I didn't read the thread completely, but it's common for there to be a different color/shade of red-oxide up under the front frame rails extending to a line perpendicular with the face of the firewall.  The thought on this is the automated spray jets were not used for that part since the middle ones would have blown up through the engine bay opening.  It's something that most have never noticed or duplicated.  On some 65 cars with black primer on the belly, the front frame rails were sprayed red-oxide... further reinforcing the thought about the spray jets not turned on for the front part of the car.

+1  6S2020 is like what Charles has seen

Quote from: 67 GT350 on May 20, 2020, 05:31:22 PM

Quote from: 6s2020 on May 20, 2020, 04:05:57 PM

Quote from: CharlesTurner on May 20, 2020, 11:05:51 AM
If the body is truly rust-free and straight, then you're about +$25-30k ahead of the restoration game and would have a better car in the end compared to one that had extensive sheet metal replacement.

Automatic probably hurts the value a little, but red/gold probably makes up for that.

+1 to what Charles said.

Rust free, straight body and complete original car is the key to a painless resto and a better end car.

Pay more for better, i doubt the average guy is going to find a 66 project in any condition for under 80k.

I would say the car in question (if checks out) would be 100k +

JMO

Like I said, I would go 90K and if it was present to me for 100K I would take it? That is a realistic number, however what we have found that even though it might be nice, they might need just as much work as one that looks to be nicer, so pay a little more for nicer, is "buyer beware" as a lit of sin can be hidden, don't kid yourself.....these cars are not getting younger....even storage can hurt them.

I'm not kidding my self, been there done that, to all sorts of cars and bikes, got the T-shirt.

I did not use the words "nicer' or "looks to be nicer"

Rust free, straight and complete is the better way to go is what i said

An inspection soon sorts out "Nice" from reality.

I don't think you will by this car for 90k JMO

Quote from: CharlesTurner on May 20, 2020, 11:05:51 AM
If the body is truly rust-free and straight, then you're about +$25-30k ahead of the restoration game and would have a better car in the end compared to one that had extensive sheet metal replacement.

Automatic probably hurts the value a little, but red/gold probably makes up for that.

+1 to what Charles said.

Rust free, straight body and complete original car is the key to a painless resto and a better end car.

Pay more for better, i doubt the average guy is going to find a 66 project in any condition for under 80k.

I would say the car in question (if checks out) would be 100k +

JMO

Nice save 

Here's to a full and speedy recovery Rick.

Rest up now to get back at it soon.

Darryll

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-dl1_V8yds&t=142s&fbclid=IwAR0gdAJWZgdgoDmlTNtbXn7wjXTHltP-uV0e4gQ0nx3sT_KsPUGsEuSdRkU

427 Gal thundering around a race track in OZ.

Sounds awesome.

Nc class, means only period mods allowed.

Enjoy

Quote from: J_Speegle on April 25, 2020, 07:07:01 PM
Next section of the film shows Shelby pulling into the factory area by passing by the guard shack and parking a Cobra in front of the main building and walking into the office area. Pictures showing some of the area around the buildings are included below.

PL5- Group of cars we first see parked behind the guard shack appear to be three white coupes. It appears that they may be lacking rear bumpers and may be three of the larger (20 total in all) number of Trans Am coupes (group I and II) Shelby built for racing




PL6- Another though mixed exterior colored cars are parked in front of the other large out building. Since the car is moving at a decent clip and the camera panning with it we don't get a nice clear picture of the cars and buildings in the background




PL7- Hard to tell if all of the cars int he background have all of there tires and wheels. Not sure. Could these be cars with issues waiting their turn to be fixed?




PL8- He pulls up in front of the main building parking on the far side (not sure why they staged it this way - likely an oversight on the directors part) of a new 66 GT350. At first thought it might be a company car assigned to one of the important people but its lack of license plate quickly put an end to that possibility Shipping tie down sticker is visible on the rear valance





Next the film is edited to show the inside of the production building and the line - Coming up

Thanks for dissecting the film and your observations.

Questions.

If a car was ordered by Hi-Po Motors, and was to be delivered to them less than five minutes away , would a rail trans sticker have been fitted as just a matter of corse?

Would it have Lic plate fitted at SA or at Dealer?

TIA

Thank you, for your reply and insight.

Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 21, 2020, 10:08:02 AM

Quote from: 6s2020 on April 21, 2020, 05:26:49 AM
So, getting back to the film,

First off , staged or not staged ?

Of course it is "Staged" , "Scripted" and "Directed" ... it's a short film, does not mean it was not real, true and factual.

I mean, the camera crew did not just lob on to the line and start filming.

If we are to believe that the engine parts were already fitted at ford at the time i think it is a stretch to believe they switched out the Cobra oil pan for a stock one (messy job) and not show fitting the cobra one in the film.

Plus the presence of chrome rocker covers, let alone the fact it would have made just as good copy to show exchanging those for the Cobra ones(much easier)

Also those two line workers look like they have placed an inlet manifold down in an engine bay a thousand times before 

Just my thoughts and observations of the film.

In this context the word staged means doing something that is not typical is done on camera for effect. Now as far as this film is concerned if the events are not dramatically staged and the films reflects real in place procedures done during that window in time then at the very least it was during one of the interruption periods of Ford Shelbized engines like has been established were done before and after the time period depicted.

That's one way to see it.

By Staged in this film i meant ... Ready go," Oh could you do that again, the lighting was not right... could you do that again, without looking at the camera, .....again without dropping your spanner."  Real work but staged, that's all i was getting at.

So if the film is only conclusive for that moment for 66s then do you consider the two 67 photos you shared to be conclusive for just those periods in time and not before and after each photo?  This is a question not a wise a$$ comment.

So, getting back to the film,

First off , staged or not staged ?

Of course it is "Staged" , "Scripted" and "Directed" ... it's a short film, does not mean it was not real, true and factual.

I mean, the camera crew did not just lob on to the line and start filming.

If we are to believe that the engine parts were already fitted at ford at the time i think it is a stretch to believe they switched out the Cobra oil pan for a stock one (messy job) and not show fitting the cobra one in the film.

Plus the presence of chrome rocker covers, let alone the fact it would have made just as good copy to show exchanging those for the Cobra ones(much easier)

Also those two line workers look like they have placed an inlet manifold down in an engine bay a thousand times before 

Just my thoughts and observations of the film.

RIP Legend

Passed away at home Easter Sunday morning


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8211843/amp/Sir-Stirling-Moss-tragically-dies-aged-90-wife-pays-touching-tribute.html?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR3nOBPM5lGtMNd_b_u9F7U_gLkKfHdwrfS2qlfUTO9Q7KgD5LR1rwmUFCk

Now would be a perfect time to recreate this in any capitol city across the world?

Watch and squirm as he runs through red lights

Just a little COVID19 distraction

Enjoy



https://vimeo.com/34039780