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Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 09, 2020, 06:32:37 PM

Quote from: 6s2020 on April 09, 2020, 05:18:41 PM

Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 09, 2020, 01:59:53 PM

Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 07, 2020, 02:33:29 PM

Quote from: Wedgeman on April 07, 2020, 01:34:58 PM
I vaguely recall someone posting somewhere  years ago about SA selling Cast Iron 4V 289 Intakes & Autolite 4V Carbs dirt cheap. If confirmed..wouldn't that verify that work was done at SA ....?

That is well known to many early Shelby aficionado's. Since your not familiar FYI That was in 65 vintage mags and were black paint intakes ,exhaust manifolds etc .Of course black intakes signify's 65 production . Later Ford memos to SA documenting the requests for expected volume so that Ford could get the highrise intakes etc. on hand at the Cleveland engine plant is what has driven the consensus of opinion for that time period being the change over. Another is a early snafu involving the engine plant painting the aluminum intakes engine color by mistake which also confirms Fords involvement with the installation. We do know that SA had to install at least the intakes at that point until Ford could figure out a procedure to not paint them.  The footage in the video posted raises more questions then answers IMO because it appears to come after the time that SA was waiting for Ford to get the engine production issue figured out. It is undeniable that Ford did the conversions at some point. The discussion is about pinning down the time line better.

Steve, please don't make this discussion confrontational as your writing tone seems to indicate . I want to get to the truth as much as you . To my point that you highlighted in reply #28 are some pictures of 67 models with engine mods installed as delivered from San Jose plant to SA. A picture is worth a thousand words. It is undeniable that the engine mods were on those cars. Of course they are 67 models but it speaks to the validity of my statement . As I said before the discussion is about pinning down the time line better. I am glad to consider what you have already written and also the other information that you allege you have that you offered to show if you want to send it to me. You have Jeff Speegle and my email address that you used in the past . Help me better understand your point of view.  I will stand by.

WOW, there is another thread on here talking about this exact "projecting" to displace one's own behaviour.... or some such shit.

And are these photos your come back evidence, they are 67s ,so that is one time point that ford fitted the parts. No one is saying different.

Show some 65-66 photos or film to counter Steves evidence.

Help us better understand your point of view.

This is why some stop showing great original SAI examples as they just get dismissed.

Sorry I'm not going to feed the troll.

Wow again, you just proved my point.

Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 09, 2020, 01:59:53 PM

Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 07, 2020, 02:33:29 PM

Quote from: Wedgeman on April 07, 2020, 01:34:58 PM
I vaguely recall someone posting somewhere  years ago about SA selling Cast Iron 4V 289 Intakes & Autolite 4V Carbs dirt cheap. If confirmed..wouldn't that verify that work was done at SA ....?

That is well known to many early Shelby aficionado's. Since your not familiar FYI That was in 65 vintage mags and were black paint intakes ,exhaust manifolds etc .Of course black intakes signify's 65 production . Later Ford memos to SA documenting the requests for expected volume so that Ford could get the highrise intakes etc. on hand at the Cleveland engine plant is what has driven the consensus of opinion for that time period being the change over. Another is a early snafu involving the engine plant painting the aluminum intakes engine color by mistake which also confirms Fords involvement with the installation. We do know that SA had to install at least the intakes at that point until Ford could figure out a procedure to not paint them.  The footage in the video posted raises more questions then answers IMO because it appears to come after the time that SA was waiting for Ford to get the engine production issue figured out. It is undeniable that Ford did the conversions at some point. The discussion is about pinning down the time line better.

Steve, please don't make this discussion confrontational as your writing tone seems to indicate . I want to get to the truth as much as you . To my point that you highlighted in reply #28 are some pictures of 67 models with engine mods installed as delivered from San Jose plant to SA. A picture is worth a thousand words. It is undeniable that the engine mods were on those cars. Of course they are 67 models but it speaks to the validity of my statement . As I said before the discussion is about pinning down the time line better. I am glad to consider what you have already written and also the other information that you allege you have that you offered to show if you want to send it to me. You have Jeff Speegle and my email address that you used in the past . Help me better understand your point of view.  I will stand by.

WOW, there is another thread on here talking about this exact "projecting" to displace one's own behaviour.... or some such shit.

And are these photos your come back evidence, they are 67s ,so that is one time point that ford fitted the parts. No one is saying different.

Show some 65-66 photos or film to counter Steves evidence.

Help us better understand your point of view.

This is why some stop showing great original SAI examples as they just get dismissed.

At the 41 second mark of the film where Carroll pulls up to a Black with White side stripe, 10 spoke 66 GT350, that car could be 6S2020 or 6S1750 as they were Shelby Company cars.

In the still shot of OP it does not look Black, but appears to be Black in the film.

Just Cool to think that it could be.

Quote from: SunDude on April 04, 2020, 07:34:07 PM
AC Ace-Zephyr, not Cobra

Quote from: 6s2020 on April 04, 2020, 06:23:35 PM
AGP 2012 Historics

Thanks, Was wondering that.

AGP 2012 Historics

My 66 and 17

I think the Bullitt car V 5R002  is apples and oranges.

Keep it Shelby mustang V Shelby mustang.

5R002  V  Super Snake (2mil ?)  V  Jim Morrisons Shelby (in as found good condition) just say it was found and was real...Tony..Tony 

Pass,....RUST....Ugly

Awesome, thanks for sharing

And i thought 6S2020 was covered in junk after 35yrs in the one spot. 

Quote from: outlawincorporated on January 18, 2020, 10:51:30 PM
BRIAN.

for approx. 8-10 years now in Australia we have been using the ramps as per your picture.  that was version 1 which had limited success now at most state concours events or our National show each year we have now gone one step further and hire out a ford dealership service bay for the day and all cars go up 6-8 feet up in the air on four post hoists.  makes the undercarriage judges job a lot easier and gives you a better appreciation of the details and effort some owners go too.

this is only relevant to concours original, throughbred and concours modified classes, not display class or show or shine

why this hasn't been done in the US im not sure, but it think it would be a fantastic opportunity for all involved.
normally the judging is done on the Saturday prior to the Sunday display and all cars who get judged in the above classes must be present on the show field on the Sunday.  that way all people get to see the vehicles that where judged.

best regards

PHILL BERESFORD
MELBOURNE.
AUSTRALIA.

+1

67 #02148 paxton car sold 440k all in 

Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 10, 2020, 12:17:31 AM

Quote from: Peter L. on January 09, 2020, 04:13:31 PM
  Having worked in the classic car auction business for over 25 years, I can tell you that all it takes is 2 bidders that both want the car. Whoever has more nerve and deeper pockets will win the final bid.
So really the sky is the limit. After all, what is a few million dollars to a billionaire.

Only one bidder in some cases. The house will shill bid the car up to what they think is a market value . This procedure has been confirmed a number of times by auction representatives of several of the major auctions houses over the years. They claim it is to protect the seller in case there is no money in the house at auction time. The house will bid the car up to the reserve if the car does not sell the last so called bid(house) is there to establish a supposed market value. So one buyer bidding against the house to a point that they let it go at. Supposedly only legal for cars that have a reserve. But most likely it happens sometimes on no reserve auctions too. Don't shoot the messenger. 

Agreed, and sounds reasonable to me if only bid up to reserve , no harm no fowl, would not have to be the house that does it, just get a mate to bid it to reserve.
Or a fake phone bidder. As you say , sets a perceived value.

Got mine today down here in OZ.

Neat little piece on 6S2020 on page 111 

Can't wait to dig in.

Thanks to all that put it together.

Quote from: 6s2020 on January 08, 2020, 04:29:49 PM


Amount of rust in it kills it for me, find a rust free and accident free project that is mostly stock, makes for a more easy and enjoyable restoration.

Pay more at the start for a better car, and it will pay off.

Also, if you don't need to have a 68KR, a 67 GT350 will be an easier project.

Or a 66 but they are getting up there in price on projects.

JMO

Quote from: 67 GT350 on January 08, 2020, 05:02:49 PM
I don't think its a re-body car...it can be fixed and be right. I am a little surprised that people on here are basically telling a person to ruin the value via "body replacement"
I have a friend who loves to restore cars like that, its not for me....but there are peeps out there that can slowly restore a car and who don't care about money or time....

Not sure who you mean by your comment, but to be clear i was not saying rebody , i am saying pass on it and get a better shelby project.

Would be prudent to quote who you are referring to as to avoid confusion.

Cheers

Amount of rust in it kills it for me, find a rust free and accident free project that is mostly stock, makes for a more easy and enjoyable restoration.

Pay more at the start for a better car, and it will pay off.

Also, if you don't need to have a 68KR, a 67 GT350 will be an easier project.

Or a 66 but they are getting up there in price on projects.

JMO