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Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 12, 2019, 03:39:35 PM

Quote from: 427heaven on March 12, 2019, 01:14:59 PM
The birthplace of greatness.....

Was Dean Moon's shop in Norwalk. Pretty much the same today as when CS assembled the first west coast Cobra there. http://mooneyes.com/ CS had to move when Goodyear and Firestone didn't like Dean Moon selling Firestone race tires out the front door and Shelby selling Goodyear race tires out the back door.

Santa Fe Springs, very neat place.  My buddy and I were standing in the very place CSX 2000, so cool, was put together.  Also had a shop tour and was able to meet the gentleman who built and welded up all the original Moon tanks.Can't remember his name but Have pictures somewhere.

Call Jim or Jesse  at Shelby Parts and Restoration in Green Bay
or jim@shelbyparts.com

acman63 on the forum

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https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/mount-vernon-1966-shelby-gt350h/6822908308.html

CSX2345

https://shelbyamericancollection.org/cars/1964-fia-cobra-roadster-csx2345/

Quote from: Richstang on February 08, 2019, 01:47:38 PM
Bob, my initial post was not directed specifically to you, but rather to everyone reading to keep it civil. Yes you did state it was a serialized 1967 Shelby convertible. The one point I wanted to make was that the 1967 Shelby convertible was clearly intended for production as the June 1966 memo letter stated. A few weeks later Shelby American ordered the three sister 67 GT500s (#0100, #0131 & #0139) in each body style. As an appearance evaluation model they would seem appropriate. Testing the 428 motor would give them dual purpose, something I would expect from SA. There would not be a need for multiple convertibles since it was planned as a later spring launched model. I just can't justify those cars (#0131 and #0139) sitting around for 4-5 months as knockdown units, knowing they were the first of each body style with future production intentions. The multiple package codes created for each body style supports that thought. It would certainly be nice to see photos of any of these 3 sister cars on arrival or sitting on the lot in their knockdown form. Car #0100 which was the first production GT500 fastback has the fortune of being photographed by numerous media outlets. There are no signs of the other two sister cars since the focus was getting the fastback completed and marketed to the public ASAP. There are no photos at LAX in the build phase or engineering development phase on any of the 3 sister cars. Yes, I believe Dave Freidman did leave Shelby American at the end of 1965, but still there are no photos of the 4 '66 GT350 convertibles despite the future intentions. Freidman might be the person who took photos of the last prototypes built in late '65 (the '66 vinyl roof car and the '66 supercharged car). After that, prototypes photos from SA are nowhere to be found. Maybe I am missing something, but what other obscure prototypes were there from late '65 onward from LAX?

Certainly any vintage photo of (#0131 or #0139) getting built, driven, or tested would limit all of these discussions. I disagree that CS & others were unusually silent specifically about #0139. I recall most of CS interviews focused on the racing teams or how he helped Ford build a performance version of the "Secretary Mustang". There was a video interview where he discussed the 1967 convertible. It' s been quite a few years since I've seen it, but I recall him mention it was loaned to someone and stolen from their apartment building. That would indicate the car was completed and drivable prior to the '68 fiberglass installation. The insurance papers filed afterward conveniently detail all the needed parts for the '68 transformation. Another interview with Fred Goodell mentioned the same story in more detail. Fred notes it was parked overnight at the apartment when stolen. It was stripped very clean and rebuilt after the theft. Another clear indication it was a completed car prior to this incident.

I agree adding #0001 to this conversation is not productive. It comes across vindictive. The MM article is an older issue with some misinformation, it happens. Certainly the Shelby community is continuing to find new details about the entire story of 1967 model year. After my post last night two SAAC members emailed me. They also believe #0139 was completed in 1967 styling, but are fearful of posting for fear of repercussions from the SAAC concours community. One person was very intent of the documents as more than just circumstantial. It is sad our fellow enthusiasts are hesitant to post their viewpoints for fear of backlash. This morning Brian emailed me indicating he does NOT know Tony, but is thankful for his support and also for my post. It's his choice not to join back up on the forum.

I'm glad Brian built #0139 originally in the '68 fiberglass as the media / marketed introduction to the '68 styling. The photos of it with the serialized 1967 fastback #0463 also in the '68 fiberglass were neat to see paired together for that past point in history. His additional effort and expensive to re-restore it after he found the additional documents was surprising. He didn't follow the easy path and he must have known some of the resistance he was going to face. I think the car restored in the earliest completed version was the right choice.

+1

Quote from: Richstang on February 07, 2019, 10:52:36 PM
Normally I would not get involved in these arguments when they should really just be discussions. Points and counter points are all that should be mentioned, no name calling is necessary whether you agree or disagree here.

In my opinion the point about any lack of photographs of #0139 in 1967 fiberglass is not a good enough reason to dismiss it as never being built in '67 fiberglass. We don't have any photos of the four (4) '66 GT350 convertibles at LAX by SA in the tons of photos taken by Dave Freidman. The earliest photos I've ever been able to find of those four cars are from many years later. The blue convertible 6s2378, make the first photographic appearance in 1974 with Ken Young at a Shelby car show. Have we ever seen a photo of the Green Hornet pre 1970's? The earliest photo I'm aware of for that car is in the driveway of Mr. Darrow, sometime in 1970 (guessing the year) or later. There's nothing that has been seen publically taken by Shelby or Ford. We also don't have any media photos of the four '66 Shelby's or the Green Hornet. We don't dismiss those cars because of the lack of photographs. #0131 Little Red doesn't show up in photos until the same time as #0139 on July 7, 1967. We've all heard the stories of Little Red being tested with various engine configurations. Where are those photos? What about Cosby taking out Little Red. We've seen pictures from Friedman of Steve McQueen in Cobra along with a few other celebrities. If there are no photos of Cosby driving Little Red does that mean it didn't happen, of course not. I'm afraid all of these photos are likely lost.

We also have to take into consideration that not all the records / photos / etc. were picked up by Rick Kopec and Howard Pardee when they were about to get tossed in the trash decades ago. I hate to think what they missed, but thankful for what they did get. We know there is a letter from June 6, 1966 stating the intentions of three (3) of the four (4) experimental convertibles is to test them for the anticipation of the 1967 1/2 convertible. Surely we can agree there was intention to build a 1967 convertible just from that letter alone. By the early spring of 1967 the growing inventories of the 1967 Fastbacks was out of hand. Ford was not getting paid nearly enough to cover the loans given to Shelby and cover the costs of all those unsold '67 units. It seem logical the 1967 1/2 convertible program was cancelled so all efforts could concentrate on selling the remaining fastbacks in stock. It appears there were no more orders from SA from that point onward.

The current owner (Brian Styles) of #0139 has found quite a bit of documentation that certainly indicates the car was completed in 1967 attire back in December of 1966. I believe #0131 was also completed the same time. Brian's website "1967shelbyconvertible.com" shares a ton of info which is very fascinating about all these documents and details. If nothing else, I think we can all agree it was the only 1967 Shelby "serialized" convertible model.

tion All excellent points. I also agree with Richstang
The research and especially, all the documentation Brian has provided on "1967 shelbyconvertible.com" is amazing. To spend 10 years just doing research on #0139, #100, #131 and all things related to the '67 Shelbys is true desire and enthusiasm. What does Brian actually have to gain from all his effort?-I believe it is just plain old fashion love and desire for Shelbys, like many others on this forum have. Its to bad he is thrown off the SAAC forum, he has so much to offer all Shelby enthusiast with his endless desire doing research and gathering data.
Check out the 45 different topics on 1967 Shelby Research page.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/shelbyresearch
Allot of great information

https://www.ebay.com/itm/292938803299

Not a Shelby, but what a "SLEEPER"

https://www.gaaclassiccars.com/vehicles/27389/1968-ford-galaxie-ltd

Yes, one of our WASAAC members ID'd the location as Martin Way in Olympia.
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It would be interesting if one of the WASAAC members would do a little more investigating at the State patrol office, talk to some of the good ole boys still working and see if they remember any information on one of their fellow troopers from the past, I'll bet they have pictures on the wall of fame from past troopers, ect. Show the old picture around, who knows what will turn up...........maybe another Shelby

Has anyone bought or had any experience with a Advantage Lift?

https://www.advantagelifts.com/

CSX 2345 gets my vote.

https://shelbyamericancollection.org/cars/1964-fia-cobra-roadster-csx2345/

Quote from: Coralsnake on January 17, 2019, 07:36:55 AM
Craig has collected some insane, unseen photos. He has also interviewed one of the guys that built the car at SA

Will any of the these photos be posted on the Little Red website, along with the interview anytime in the near future?

Quote from: Corey Bowcutt on January 10, 2019, 07:24:09 AM
This sounds like something I would be interested in as my build sheet seems to be long lost.  I looked on his web site and can see no mention of it.  Can anyone add a link?

Link
http://www.martiauto.com/BuildSheets.cfm

https://www.goldeagle.com/tips-tools/1968-shelby-mustang-gt350-convertible-from-bull-durham/

LOL