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The Lounge / Re: Ford v Ferrari zero impact to our Shelbys
« on: December 04, 2019, 06:30:52 PM »
The secret society has been exposed.-   ;D

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The Lounge / Re: Ford v Ferrari zero impact to our Shelbys
« on: December 04, 2019, 03:31:49 PM »
Just an observation of mine regarding my AFFLUANT friends. Most don't repair, race, restore, or show their Cobras, GT- 40S. As the price tag goes up, the concern is more how to safeguard them with state of the art security systems, concrete and steel vaults, cameras, armed guards, you name it they have it.

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I'm in agreement on the hood scoop  :P 

Here's another pic of the car, I'm not sure of the gender of the person leaning on the car   ???

Mike
[/quote   Look at the size of the hands, feet, adams apple on her. :-\]

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Big hair, Big tubes, Big wheels, (AHHH THE 70S) remember it well. ;D

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The Lounge / Re: Ford v Ferrari zero impact to our Shelbys
« on: December 04, 2019, 09:48:38 AM »


I’m only going by the documentary on Netflix produced by Shelby American, Shelby’s son and grandchildren.  So you can’t  blame ‘Urban Legends’ if the info is coming straight from the company and family itself.

Ok, so we'll call them 'tall-tales'. Like the tale told in this video about the first 100 Cobras being built using beer cans by the biggest teller. ;)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xXTeQ-vsQI&t=10s
When the leader of the pack is a TALL- TALE -TELLER and tells a lie, and all those around him swear to it as well, that's how these things get started. It gets to the point when truth and fiction get blurred and takes someone to read thru those statements to form a conclusion.  :-[

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That was one TUFF MUFF-  ;)

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Was Leo Bebee such a villain?
« on: November 25, 2019, 11:22:41 PM »
Thank you for the historical perspective. I have nothing but comtempt for the villification of Leo Beebe's character in the film. But you have to have a corporate villian in films today. 

Here's a quote from Leo Beebe, on page 112 of Shelby GT40 by Dave Friedman:

".....When Henry Ford saw me at the starting line before the race, he handed me a card that said, "You better win, HFII."

Not much pressure there.

Out of 7 Mk. ll's entered (4 Shelby American and 3 Holman Moody) only three finished. Imagine Beebe's mindset if they hadn't.

As for the US verus THEM, Ford funded the racing effort, so I don't think managment was all bad.

PS: I know: FvF isn't a documentary.
It was a mutual admiration society- They both needed each other to accomplish their goals. The suits said they were hooligans, skirt chasers ,drunkards, insubordinates , a fine bunch of guys to create the fastest cars in the world. In the end FORD needed them more then the racers needed FORD. Now a days if you don't understand racing you wont be allowed 5 miles from the race shop no matter their education credentials.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Was Leo Bebee such a villain?
« on: November 25, 2019, 05:03:40 PM »
Actually its very accurate..... Peter Miles was the lead on how to show what happened back in the day as he remembered them. Remember there are two sides to every story and depending what side of the fence your on will determine what you call villainous. The movie portrayed some wrench throwing and some little girlie fights, rolling around on the lawn giggling like school children after it was over. Truth be told grown men don't laugh and giggle after a tussle on the lawn trying to hit the other on the head with hot dog buns. There were a few crow bars and hammers with BEEBES name on it if the timing was right. It was us VS them mentality back then, and LEO BEEBE was known as the A hole of the group, he knew NOTHING about racing and was a corporate bean counter, this led to the conflicts between the SUITS and the coveralls. If your a corporate type he was a great guy doing what he was told and should be commended, if your trying to put together the finest group of engineers, racers, mechanics, fabrication guys, to win the greatest endurance race in the world you need to listen to the ring leader OL SHEL and do as he suggests. BEEBE DIDNT therefore a true A HOLE. There are still a few guys left from that era and more then one story was shared with me regarding him. So lets not get it twisted for history's sake , its just a movie but fairly accurate. >:(

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1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
« on: November 25, 2019, 09:11:44 AM »
The question still remains why? Why would a trailer queen car need a re-restoration, seemingly a stunner, it wouldn't need any more help would it? Maybe with a fresh restoration with the same group of people that did the green hornet with still photos and videos of the restoration a possible new owner would get to see what went into its restoration helping its sale price? Hats off to all those involved as they are all at the top of their game. Does this mean that its other two siblings need a complete redo as well to keep their value up. who would have ever dreamed what a stir a few old race cars would cause. :)

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1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
« on: November 24, 2019, 11:18:25 AM »
One has to ask the question... Why would he do that? Answer = Because he can ;)

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Interesting take on the Movie
« on: November 23, 2019, 08:23:55 AM »
GREAT MOVIE... I had the pleasure of watching the movie and had an array of different emotions. After watching I learned what really happened back in the day and was appalled how the Corporation did things. Having both family and friends working for FORD motor company at that time it made me think how some decisions are made. Having the ability to see things from both sides, as I was one of the guys that were hands on with the tools for design and construction of different projects in an entirely different field. I also had the fortune to be one of the SUITS to see and do things, sitting in the captains seat of corporate AMERICA. Watching the movie with the wife, particularly the scene at the end when MILES was told to slow down... She turned to me and asked what would you have done? It was such a thought provoking question that I didn't know how I would have handled it. When racers line up to race they race to win not play into corp. semantics, bottom line on this story line is if you cant put food on the table you will do things a little differently like the SUITS told him to do. :'( KEN was the best driver at that time and needed to be treated as such. Corporate wants what they want, and when men and women dedicate their lives to the cause they should be treated accordingly. Back to family and friends at FORD MOTOR CO. They were treated the same way they treated (Miles) only they wore the suits and were the YES SIR men. Carma paid a visit to them later in life for all the things they said and did to all those below them, they reflect they should have done things differently. Life is not always fair.

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GT40 - Original/Mk V / Re: Vintage Pic
« on: November 22, 2019, 09:01:45 PM »
A Celica GT liftback cool car. :)

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Interesting take on the Movie
« on: November 21, 2019, 09:04:19 PM »
Its better to have been a RACER for a few minutes... Then a SPECTATOR for a lifetime, It has to be experienced it cant be explained. ;)

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The Lounge / Re: Fords new EV crossover Mustang Mach E
« on: November 20, 2019, 09:16:00 AM »
Something like that..... ;D ;D ;D

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The Lounge / Re: Fords new EV crossover Mustang Mach E
« on: November 19, 2019, 09:43:59 PM »
The name might be called MACH-ETTE to cut ties with the faithful... Just sayin :-[

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