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Homogated part for the Ralle Falcons? Papers just call out Telescopic shocks but a Ford part number would make them legal.

https://historicdb.fia.com/sites/default/files/car_attachment/1649332801/homologation_form_number_1250_group_t.pdf

I want the headers!

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Random car pictures
« on: January 18, 2023, 02:11:27 PM »
Hollywood is 99% BS, and so are most of its cars.

For the most part 20 footers built to awe an audience then throw away. George Barris' brother Sam was the genius metal worker - George was the designer and face of the company. After Sam left it became more Movie-TV than quality built customer cars https://www.whichcar.com.au/features/the-custom-creations-of-george-and-sam-barris

Sam's 51 Merc sold for 2.14 million last year - highest price for a 50s custom. It's also on the historic registry of cars.
https://www.hagerty.com/media/video/how-barris-kustoms-built-the-hirohata-mercury-in-only-14-days/

When will you finish the Mannix Collection and add the Toronado?

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The Lounge / Re: The Mustang is officially DEAD
« on: January 18, 2023, 01:22:44 PM »
Anybody can build bad custom cars - Colman MIlne also turned it into a limousine. The also did a Tesla Hearse.

Maybe with gold stripes it'd be the Mach-H......earse

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Random car pictures
« on: January 17, 2023, 03:22:37 PM »
Ernie Immerso won America's Most Beautiful Roadster award 3 times. Twice with his Model T - The second win it had been completely redone with an Indy engine. Ernie owned Thunderbird exhaust products. After he passed they had an auction and there were 5-6 serious bidders for his 2 winning roadsters. The Petersen Museum was not to be denied and got both cars. At one time they displayed the Ardun powered Orange Twist on a lift so you could see the chassis. These were owner built cars which is unheard of today.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Random car pictures
« on: January 17, 2023, 11:44:12 AM »
Barris went over the top with the ZEBRA for Old Blue Eyes

http://www.mustangdrivers.be/mustangtrivia/sinatra_mustang.html

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Random car pictures
« on: January 17, 2023, 11:24:25 AM »
Twiggy's friends Mustangs - by Barris of course. Looks like it's at their Palm Springs home.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/1805-saga-of-the-sonny-and-cher-mustangs/

PS - sometimes custom cars get no respect

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: New video about Mr. Cobra just dropped
« on: January 16, 2023, 07:10:47 PM »
I have been fortunate enough to visit Lynn's Garage

Disneyland North - With the ultimate ride - Angeles Crest Highway is his backyard.

I met Lynn back in 1975 at a COCOA meeting at Galpin Ford. Always helpful and with a word of encouragement when you screw up at Willow.

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There is a new one along the 210 - Ford of Upland. Closest one to Rancho

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Shelby Corvair
« on: January 15, 2023, 07:51:27 PM »
Never knew! Very interesting and maybe where he made the contacts to request Chevy engines for Cobras before approaching Ford?
I wondered that too - Bill Thomas was a GM insider - In 1956 Thomas commenced work tuning and modifying Chevrolet Corvettes for racing for C S Mead Motors Co. By 1960, Thomas had started his own company, Bill Thomas Race Cars. At that time General Motors approached him to undertake performance work on the new Chevrolet Corvair. The secret to where the Corvairs are may lie within the Thomas history.

On the other hand CS had already dropped a Chevy V-8 into a Ferrari so he knew the potential. It was a pretty tight knit group of friends at the upper echelons of the SoCal hot rod scene - that group I'd describe as those making a living from it. You can see it in those that were gathered for this test. Mobil Oil was also a well known company for it's economy runs. They ran them on a cross country national level with factories supplying cars and drivers in different classes. They had 100 mile high school events where they measured ton mileage to make everyone equal (won that with my 59 Ford wagon). There were 3 day events sponsored by the police advisory council for car clubs - Dealer supplied cars - 2 drivers and a observer. (won that one in the Luxury class with a 300 Chrysler).

Chevy may have regretted not giving engines to CS and decided they needed a Cobra beater: In 1963 Thomas gained covert support from General Motors Performance Product Group head Vince Piggins to develop the Cheetah as a concept vehicle. It was designed by Thomas and Don Edmunds, his lead fabricator. ....Thomas arranged for material assistance from Chevrolet for the major components - the Corvette 327 engine, Muncie transmission, and independent rear-end assemblies. Other components were stocked from the larger GM parts bin, such as Chevrolet passenger car spindles, and NASCAR spec Chevrolet drum brakes. - - - - In 1964, race car rules changed from 100 cars needed for homologation to 1000 cars. This prompted Chevrolet to advise Thomas that they would no longer support the Cheetah project.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Shelby Corvair
« on: January 15, 2023, 04:39:40 PM »
I'd guess supplied by GM and probably went back to them. It's pre Cobra. https://www.motortrend.com/features/1962-corvair-endurance-test/

The plate looks like Transport rather than Dealer or Manufacturer - I wonder if Petersen had their own plates for testing unregistered cars at that time? ...a transporter plate authorizing the limited operation of a motor vehicle ...... must have proof of financial responsibility. DMV was strict on who could use plates. Manufacturer and Dealer had to be used by owners and employees only. 

Now the real question - did Gurney drive in the rain?

In November 1961, editors from several Petersen Publishing magazines, including Hot Rod, Motor Trend, Sports Car Graphic, Car Craft, and Rod & Custom, plus some pretty heavy hitters in the racing community, gathered at Riverside International Raceway for what Hot Rod described as a "24-hour high-speed economy run" using two bright-red '62 Corvairs. And we do mean heavy hitters: It speaks to the power of Petersen's empire that guys named Unser, Gurney, and Shelby were on hand to help shepherd these two little coupes around Riverside's winding 2.7-mile road course for what would be a "grueling 1,549.1-mile ordeal."

Carroll Shelby conducted the test, acting as "sports car racing expert," and in his capacity as the chief of the high-performance driving school, he hosted at the track.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: '66 GT350 Hertz Crankshaft Question
« on: January 15, 2023, 03:49:57 PM »
I'm having a hard time understanding how your crank was damaged in the rear seal area ....

In any event, my opinion would be to replace your crank. .....

Or some ham fisted mechanic trying to pry out old leaky seal during an under car repair.

The right way is to metal spray that spot then regrind - but I've also seen a crank that had been damaged when the spring of a 1 piece seal cut a groove in the crank repaired with JB Weld. That engine had at least 20,000 miles on it and still was not leaking when a friend decided to rebuild it. If the crank is out get it fixed right. If the crank is in the car $5 is a cheap fix.

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2006-up Shelby GT/GT-H / Re: Allan Mullaly said on the 2007 GTH SGT SC
« on: January 14, 2023, 06:16:50 PM »
glad we are all in agreement that the early cars and these particular cars were delivered from a Ford plant in body form for modification  to Carroll Shelby's operation, originally in Venice Beach, later at Los Angeles International Airport and today at Las Vegas.

This "special process" they endured, distinguishes them from the other current mustang products offered by Ford that bear S H E L B Y name on their body's  I.E. all the GT350,  GT350R and the GT500

They were not delivered in the "knock down" form that the 1966 cars were. They were 100% complete Ford Mustang GTs (they even had window stickers). And while the 06 does bear a tag that states they were "manufactured" by Shelby Automobiles they are registered as a Ford using the Ford Motor Company MSO and the 17 digit Ford VIN. Unlike the 1966 cars which used a Shelby American generated VIN and MSO (Manufacturers Statement of Origin). Warranty was also handled by Ford. Ford used S H E L B Y name via a personal services contract with him allowing them to use it. The Cobra, GT350, GT350R (which was never a SA trademark) and GT500 are all owned by Ford. Ford licensed Shelby (in the mid 1980s) to use the Cobra name only in conjunction with 2 seat sports cars he built. He called his late model Mustangs "Shelby GT" because Ford would not let him use the GT350 moniker. All the late "Shelby" products by Ford were 100% developed by SVT at Ford. The 2007 GT500 was completed by SVT months before marketing thought sticking Shelby on the car would boost sales. They had used SVO, SVT, Cobra and Cobra R all without an acceptable boost in sales. CS started at $1,000 per car to use his name. When the dust cleared CS had a multi year personal services contract to be the face of performance at Ford for 12 million. He also cut a deal to have cars drop shipped to him to modify and sell as Shelby GTs.

Now for an interesting side note. Ford has a corporate policy to not test their cars inhouse beyond what they estimate to be 80%. The serious testing at max limits is done by contractors who report their findings for the engineers to accept or change the vehicle to fix any instability found. SA is one of their testers. So while they don't "develop" the chassis they have a big say whether it works or not.

This sale ad has fairly complete paperwork and photos to check out. https://classiccars.com/listings/view/806590/2006-shelby-mustang-gt-h-for-sale-in-st-louis-missouri-63114

BTW: The 2006 tag says manufactured. The 2007 one does not.

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2006-up Shelby GT/GT-H / Re: Allan Mullaly said on the 2007 GTH SGT SC
« on: January 13, 2023, 06:45:41 PM »
They were 100% completed by FORD & the UAW and shipped to a 3rd party Shelby who had a contract to modify them before delivery to the customer.

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The Lounge / Re: S.D.A.C. Shelby Dodge Automobile Club
« on: January 12, 2023, 11:42:36 PM »
I remember being at Shelby's MoPile skunk works in Whittier. He was putting a Corvette IRS in the back of a minivan creating a 4WD.

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Shelby American History / Re: New NHRA article: Shelby and Wally Parks
« on: January 11, 2023, 08:56:01 PM »
Their destinies were intertwined in the SoCal hot rodding community. Their other long time friend helped promote them both as Shelby himself recalled at the passing of Robert E. Petersen.

"We were friends for over 50 years. I owe Pete a lot. When I introduced the Cobra, he helped promote it with articles about the car in Hot Rod and Sports Car Graphic. Every CEO in Detroit respected him. He'd tell everybody, 'You should see this new car Shelby's built. It's a winner.'"

We 70+ year old kids remember the exploits of these 3 amigos and the effect they had on our lives that still exist today.


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