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Here's another one, looks to be the same day, you can see more of the Cobras against the fence, and a '67 GT500 ! my file say this is #2705 ? ? from the 2011 registry " shipped 7/5/67 to Menlo College...Shelby American company car...assigned to Edsell Ford 11 Factory production order form marked...deliver to Fred Goodell Eng. Dept...del'vd to Menlo College 7/6 Shelby driver.

Mike

so another two Cobras in that back row, that makes it 13, ready for delivery  ;)

Same background building. Original was probably taken where parking structure is now. The street has been renamed Pacific Coast Highway and turns back into Sepulveda a block north of here.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9285489,-118.3968876,168a,35y,39.49t/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en&authuser=0

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NO - it was a dealership owned by CS and Lew Spencer. If you showed up at the factory they sent you to HiPerf to complete the sale. CA is one of those states where manufacturers were not allowed to sell cars direct to the consumer (something Tesla has challenged). They sold mainly Cobras and GT350s and a few other race cars - Alpines & Tigers (Spenser raced an Alpine).
Don't forget pre 1968 Shelby American was the manufacturer. They manufactured the GT350 so it could be competitive in SCCA at the time. SCCA would not allow the suspension changes necessary to the Mustang to make it competitive. The GT350 being "manufactured" by Shelby American was a way to get around the rule. The license to sell Shelbys was issued to Ford dealers by SA. It wasn't slow sales that caused the change it was the simple fact Shelbys drew people into the showrooms. Ford wanted to sell more and the inefficient assembly line at the airport could not keep up. Of course the main reason for the 67 shakeup was Ford assuming all assets of SA including trademarks due to an unpaid 1962 startup loan. By mid 67 Shelby was a race team operating out of a warehouse in Torrance as Shelby Racing Co. The sales slump came in 69.

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: 1966 Rear brake air ducting question
« on: December 30, 2022, 11:44:22 PM »
I think ease of installation and looks. Holding to flange on the inside and putting the rivet in from the outside requires some gymnastics or 2 people. One inside drilling and holding the flange the other putting rivets in from the outside. Putting the rivets and flange from the outside only needs one person and acceptable aesthetically.

Don't forget Ford was not happy with the speed of Shelby's assembly line and were already at SA working out details of the 67 design and build.

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The Lounge / Re: Ford Experimental -Concept Vehicles
« on: December 27, 2022, 11:02:57 PM »
The original MACH-1

THE FLYING CAR - HENRY FORD'S ATTEMPT TO MAKE US ALL PILOTS
READ HERE: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/28764/flying-flivver-henry-fords-attempt-make-us-all-pilots?a_aid=46813
1959 saw the completion of the FORD LEVACAR MACH 1, a concept car built to be the first full-scale wheeless vehicle, utilising air propulsion to move around.
It was a full-sized prototype being a one-man "flying car" that was "levitated" several inches off the ground by three powerful air jets located on the bottom of its chassis.
Planned to be powered by a small-scale turbojet engine, the Levacar was purportedly designed to reach a top speed of nearly 500 mph.
Ford's single-seat space coupe was tethered to an arm, enabling it to glide smoothly above a circular glass track. The tiny car was suspended just slightly above the surface by ducted air from pads on its underside. An attached arm guided it around a display in Ford’s famous Rotunda.
Ford promotional materials projected that the single-seat, fiberglass-bodied Levacar might be capable of reaching speeds of five hundred miles per hour, but its utter lack of brakes might have made that a one-time experiment.
Ford gave away thousands of plastic promotional models of their exciting new air car. AMT produced a popular model kit that came complete with a rubber hose that kids could blow in to levitate their toys like the real thing. Unfortunately, those tiny plastic models are all that's left of Ford's bold air car experiment. And we're still bumping along on rubber tires, just like Ford's Model T.

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GT/CS - California Special / Re: Helping a friend wanting to buy a GT/CS
« on: December 27, 2022, 03:11:48 PM »
The most prized versions are the big-block 390 and Cobra Jet 428 versions, of which only a handful were made. The GT/CS has become one of the most owner-appreciated classic Mustangs, since it has both the qualities of a Shelby GT, and a Mustang coupe. Its uniqueness, and rarity draws great attention on the road, and at car shows. Values can range from as low as $8,000 for a restorable small-block driver version, to up to $150,000 for a Concours 428 CJ version.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Special_Mustang#:~:text=The%20hope%20was%20for%20a,1968%20to%20early%20August%201968.

PS - if any of you come across a red small block (had CA black lic ZAZ 235) steer clear of it. It was my sisters and got T boned (Cal Poly Pomona parking lot) by the A pillar. Opened the door gap on the passenger side 1/2". They fixed it but the lower left AC vent never fit tight.

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...... Btw, how much is this car? Im sure most guys can build a 'real car' for a heck of a lot less.

I'd wager the biggest Big 3 factory crate motor and controls would be less than just the electronics in this thing.

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I, for one, can't understand why anyone would prefer an Eleanor over a stock '67 Shelby. There is simply no comparison in terms of design and/or appeal.
They are for the RestoMod crowd. You know those guys who want the romance of a car from their youth but don't have the ability to deal with balky shifters and coughing carburetors. It also might be a deep pockets thing showing your buddies that sure there is the original with single stage orange peel paint and  then there is mine that I can see myself in. And don't forget don't you love my giant chrome wheels? I had the same ones on my Hot Wheels when I was a kid.

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The Lounge / Re: Merry Christmas 2022
« on: December 25, 2022, 01:58:55 PM »
Merry Bah Humbug from sunny SoCal

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Random car pictures
« on: December 24, 2022, 08:12:31 PM »
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The driver was smart enough to load the leaky Model A on the bottom. They held the record for oil leaks until the Corvair was introduced

Only because they were engineered without a rear main bearing seal... ;)   :)

TOB
Well they had a "seal" but it was more like a guide to steer the oil to the return tube and into the pan. The new ones are aluminum. It only has a slinger in the front. The oil that got by the rear main was absorbed by a felt pad in the bottom of the bellhousing and leaked from there to lube the attachment point of the front wishbone - then onto your garage floor.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Random car pictures
« on: December 24, 2022, 04:57:42 PM »
I stuck this one here since I don't know if the top car is real.
The driver was smart enough to load the leaky Model A on the bottom. They held the record for oil leaks until the Corvair was introduced.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Random car pictures
« on: December 24, 2022, 04:54:47 PM »
One more, at Irwindale, with the old man's signature.
The famous Irwindale Snack Bar - served unbranded In-N-Out burgers. Harry Snyder who owned In-N-Out was a partner in Irwindale. His son Guy was a big drag race fan. His daughter still owns the 289 Cobra her dad bought - and the company.

But the real Irwindale highlight was Jungle Pam - too bad NHRA started requiring long pants and banned halter tops on the starting line.

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1968 Shelby GT350/500/500KR / Re: Document search
« on: December 23, 2022, 07:02:33 PM »
68-70 were all produced by Ford so any details need to come from them. SAAC has been able to gather a lot of info but not the minute details of every car. Warranty work would have been paid to the dealer by Ford and those records probably hit the dumpster in the 70s or 80s.

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The ghost of Jim Hall's 2J CanAm car.......

The Chaparral 2J is powered by an aluminum Chevrolet ZL1 engine, 427 cubic inches and producing 650 horsepower at 7000 RPM. It is paired to a clutchless semi-automatic three-speed transaxle. With a fiberglass resin body, it weighs hardly over 1800 pounds. The auxiliary engine, mounted behind the rear wheels, is a Rockwell JLO 247cc two-stroke, two-cylinder, 45-horsepower engine, usually found powering snowmobiles. At full power, it makes an ear-splitting, high-pitched drone, like the buzzing of mechanical wasps from hell. The two rear fans are lifted from a M-109 Howitzer and capable of pushing out 9650 cubic feet of air per minute at 6000 RPM. With the Chevrolet engine off, rumor has it, they can even push the car forward at 25 to 40 miles per hour. The fans draw air from the bottom of the car and send it—along with dust, debris, oil sprays, and the occasional grass clippings—to the back, presumably into the faces of other drivers. These drivers inevitably raised a stink to Hall about it: we can't see when you're in front, we're getting sprayed with all of this debris. "Well," said the taciturn Hall, "why don't you pass me then?"
There's more. To create a negative pressure vacuum that would suck the car to the ground, the car featured skirts around the rear three-quarters of the car. Hall approached General Electric to use its relatively new invention, Lexan: a polycarbonate plastic material that was light, flexible, strong, and most importantly, unbreakable. The skirts moved up and down through a system of cables, pulleys, and machined arms that were bolted to the suspension. The result was a near-constant alignment to the road surface. With the fans on, the car would hunker down by two inches.
The result of all this complexity was constant downforce—at any speed, through any corner. Theoretically, the 2J could generate up to 2200 pounds of downforce. Fully fueled, the 2J could pull from 1.25 to 1.5gs through turns. "We can go full throttle without wheelspin or uncontrollable oversteer," Hall told Competition Press in 1970. "You can't imagine the car can stop as fast or corner as hard as this one does."

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The Lounge / Re: How is the weather treating you today?
« on: December 22, 2022, 03:54:45 PM »
26 miles across the sea and all is well - https://www.visitcatalinaisland.com/about-the-island/photos-webcam/avalon-webcam/

Harbor is kinda empty yet. It should fill up for the week between Xmas & New Year.

If you insist on a White Christmas you'll have to go to the SoCal mountains - https://www.bigbearmountainresort.com/webcams/snow-summit

I don't expect it will rain on the parade either - https://youtu.be/dBqqqHA5ckg

 

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