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OK, I take it back. I will make one more comment, George.

You’re hilarious!!! 🤣🤣🤣 How can I or others take your comments seriously?!?!

I wish other got as wound up as you. This world would be a much more interesting place.

Regards,
Ruben

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George,

I don't know what axe you have to grind, as I've never met nor interacted with you.  Although, looking at your past posts, I'm not surprised.

What's really surprising is your attack on my integrity.  And I believe you misunderstood me.  If you sought to understand versus attack, we might be getting somewhere.

After re-reading your comments, it seems you assumed that the wheels started out (prior to restoration) as 15x6.  That is not correct - I have not stated this at all.  The auction is for a set of 15x6 Shelby Steel Wheels.  These wheels ARE real and started out as 15x5.5".  15x6" are extremely hard to find - ask me how I know.  And, again, Craig replaced the hoops.  I'm sure he would save the hoops on a 6" wheel but ask him how many he's seen.  I'm thinking he knows more than you.

So, to confirm (again):  yes - they are 15x6" wheels.  No, they did not start out as 15x6" wheels.  Are they original Shelby wheels?  Absolutely.

I won't get into a back and forth with you over a public forum.  You've shown your true colors, and I'll leave it at that - nothing else will be said by me; although, I'm sure you'll get the last word (and I'm guessing it won't be an apology for misunderstanding and attacking my character).

Side note:  this is the reason I don't frequent or post on the SAAC Forum like I (and others) used to do.  This community should be about building up the hobby / knowledge - not hiding behind a computer to take uneducated cheap shots.

Best,
Ruben

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I would consider the K-H HiPo wheels being offered in the BaT auction to be a RE-CREATION or replica of the original K-H 15"x6" HiPo steel wheel. 

My guess is they were re-rimmed only because they were originally manufactured by K-H as an early 15x5 HiPo wheel or most likely they were a set of narrow width run of the mill K-H produced generic HiPo style wheels, no sign of a "FoMoCo" stamp on the center hub only the "K-H" stamp. 

With the DOT 6" rim and no "FoMoCo" stamp, I would consider these wheels to be no different than a reproduction wheel, but if you want the steel wheel look and don't have any,  these would be the next best thing to originals.
 
Certainly not worth anywhere near $20k

Hi George,

I normally wouldn't comment on an item for sale unless I know that something is incorrect.  These wheels are mine and I'm the one who listed them, and I can attest to them.

It was an option for HiPos (according to lore) to have 15" wheels.  However, no one (that I'm aware of) has a window sticker that shows a non-Shelby HiPo with a 15" wheel as an option.

As outlined in my response on BaT, Craig removed the original "hoops" to ensure that the wheels meet DOT standards.  Also, as mentioned in my listing, the FoMoCo is present but not visible due to paint, but it's there.

Some non-Shelby wheels have similar centers, but most do not have the "K-H" visible.  Those have (at times) been used to create wheels that look appropriate and will still pass judging in all but original / unrestored classes.

In the end, 15"x6" wheels are supremely hard to find.  The new owner will be ready to show / go!

Thanks,
Ruben

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My understanding regarding the removal of the "hoops" for both original Cragars and Steel Wheels:

In order to restore the wheels (and to ensure that they are DOT certified post restoration), the hoop has to be removed and replaced with a DOT hoop.  Craig will not restore a wheel (Cragar or otherwise) without removing and replacing the hoops with DOTs.  Not my area of expertise, but I definitely understand. 

Others have "restored" wheels without removing the original hoops, but those people (from my understanding) are no longer in business, and the wheels didn't turn out too well.  Bob and Craig commented recently on a set of "restored" original Cragars that sold on BaT with concerns.

As far as pitting / rust:  if the hoops were unsalvageable, so would the center.

Again, Craig would be the best person to answer these questions...just my 2 cents from having Craig restore numerous wheels for me.

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Too many’65s in one auction, not 2 bidders on each car, uncertain economic times, and car quality are variables that impacted those auctions IMHO

I used to think too many of same car would hurt the numbers until Mecum Kissimmee 2023 when they sold 17 Dodge Daytona/Pymouth Superbirds crossed the block in a couple days for good numbers

Agreed.  The pure number of similar cars doesn't always impact the value from what I've seen.

Also, in this same auction (Mecum Indy 2023) we saw a blue 66 GT350 with a repro tag (amongst other things) sell for $308K all in. 

Somethings cannot be explained.   :(

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Yes, great job compiling the results.

I’m incredibly surprised at how soft 65 GT350 prices were. Crazy.

I was surprised as well.

No saying it about this specific group of cars but it can often not be about the market but the cars offered in the auction and the stories or history related. IMHO can't judge a market from a couple of cars at an auction. Just a thought

Agreed.  My observation was not meant to be a reflection of the market as a whole, just the cars at this auction.

Also, I personally know one of the cars that didn't sell, and it was a great car - well known car.  That surprised me but seeing that the other two 65s were super low was also interesting.

I will say this:  I've seen basket case 65 GT350s sell privately for almost the same money in the past year.  Crazy indeed!

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I’m incredibly surprised at how soft 65 GT350 prices were. Crazy.

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: 6S006 listed for sale
« on: May 16, 2023, 09:14:56 AM »
Very interesting story on this one...

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1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: 1965 Cragar wheels Original vs repro?
« on: April 13, 2023, 10:52:23 AM »
What are the implications of using original vs DOT compliant wheels? Is there some known & real safety issue?

I have a set of original wheels that I want to restore, and my mindset is to keep parts as original as possible. I am in Canada so DOT regulations likely don't apply here, but if original wheels are "unsafe" to use then it would change my plan.

I have asked knowledgeable Shelby "experts" about this and have not had anyone provide an answer.

Great question. I’ve done some research as well with the experts, and here’s my understanding:

- Unrestored Cragars (barring something unforeseen) are perfectly safe to be run unrestored
- Restored original Cragars are great for judging that requires all original (restored or unrestored) parts

I believe the DOT piece comes into play with restored Cragars, as Craig has to “disassemble” them for restoration, which requires additional scrutiny.

Thanks!

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: Thanks Phil Severance
« on: March 24, 2023, 11:38:47 PM »
Phil is unbelievable! I’ve had him do 3 different tachs for me.

Not only is his work incredible, but he’s an incredible person as well.

Cheers!

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Replicas and Tribute / Re: Shelby GT350R Restomod
« on: March 20, 2023, 09:15:31 AM »
That color looks darker than "Guardsman Blue" but looks lighter than "Nightmist Blue". It looks amazing but what color is it? Were you trying to duplicate an original color?

It's Guardsman Blue.  The lighting in the pictures (I'm not sure which one you're referencing) might be playing tricks.

Thanks!

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: 1966 tachometer rebuild recommendations
« on: March 09, 2023, 12:59:09 PM »
Phil is incredible.  He's done 3 tachs for me - all top notch.  And he usually provides a very quick turnaround. 


And he's a great guy!  :D

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1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: 1965 Cragar wheels Original vs repro?
« on: March 02, 2023, 10:50:34 PM »
The main visual differences between an original, and original restored, and a repro (from Craig) are as follows:

1. This picture shows an unrestored original Cragar (the back side). Note two things: A) there is very little to no visible weld (circled in red). B) The open slots on ether side of the spoke / weld

2. This picture shows a restored original wheel. Note the following: A) the weld / safety bead is visible. B) the open slots on either side of the spoke near the weld (circled in red). The open slots are only found on original Cragars, regardless of being or not being restored.

3. Repro Cragar (from Craig). Note the following: A) the weld / safety bead is visible. B) the slots are filled on either side of the spokes.

I hope this helps!

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Up For Auction / Re: Three Shelbys Up For Auction
« on: February 23, 2023, 11:12:11 AM »
What does a branded title mean i've never heard that term, is it the same as a  salvage title ? & to OP there's some people on this  forum who will do a professional inspection for you but expect to pay at least $2k

There may be inspections that are done for $2K, but I would not say that's the entry price to have a true professional complete an inspection.  I've had accurate inspections done in the past for much less.

And you don't always get what you pay for (i.e., a higher priced inspector = a more thorough / accurate inspection).

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Wanted to Buy / Re: WTB - 4 Cragars for 65 / early 66 Shelby GT350
« on: February 13, 2023, 02:58:12 PM »
I'm located in San Antonio, TX - thanks!

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