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I've long been trying to find the source of this great Carroll Shelby photo that I have, of him looking up to the night sky. Is it at Sebring I wonder?? Anyway, I've had it for so long that I always thought I recalled that it was from some magazine. I was astonished when I removed it from its sleeve and found that it was actually from a 16-page Ford '70 Performance Buyer's Digest.

Now, I have two different 1970 Performance Buyer's Digests - one dated 8/69 and one dated 1/70, and it's definitely not in either of those two. Each of mine have 16 pages, and every page is numbered in both versions. The Torino page on the back side of the Shelby photo is not numbered, so it is absolutely from a different dated Performance Buyer's Digest than the two I have.

Does anyone here have the Buyer's Digest that contains this Shelby photo? If so, I would love to see the cover, learn the date of it and hopefully acquire one for myself!

Thanks,
Kieth     

Can someone help me with this FORD TIMES literature question? I also posted this on the Boss 302 Forum.
I'm interested in this unusual blue colorized version of the famous Medium Lime Metallic Dearborn Steel Tubing Boss 302 prototype.

This "stacked" arrangement (with a red Mustang) is in an unknown (by me) issue of FORD TIMES. This is the one I'm trying to find out about:



This "side by side" arrangement is definitely in the OCTOBER 1969 issue of FORD TIMES - I just acquired it so I know that for sure:


Thanks!
Kieth

Does anyone have the issue of RODDER & SUPER/STOCK magazine that has this article?

It's yet another article I have that I would like to identify which issue it was in:







There's another page of components & info but I haven't scanned it yet..

Thanks!
Kieth

Does anyone know the month of the issue of CARS magazine that has this great Gordon Chittenden article?



The rest of the article has some fantastic 1966 detail photos, and it's driving me nuts that I didn't save the cover or the contents page.

It's really cool to me that it looks like the road test photos were taken at LAX!

Thanks,
Kieth

Can someone please tell me the name and date of the magazine that this COBRA 427 article was in?

There's also a page 32 with half text and half photos, and a pg 33 with all photos.

Thanks!
Kieth

George Watters and I were recently discussing Hi-Performance Motors' first dealership location and he reminded me that he had taken a few photos of it in December 1979. He then mailed the date stamped photos to me and I noticed that they included views of the side and the back of the building that probably very few people here had ever seen before. The middle view below is two photographs that I stitched together to show the entire length of the building from a 45 degree angle. I then noticed (for the first time) the 'little block house' on the left side of the building. One of his photos even showed the back door of it! His story had been printed in the Shelby American some time ago, but it did not include a photo of that block house on the side or the back door on it. It would really be amazing if anyone here may have some information on what that room was actually used for when the dealership was in this building. I felt that a retelling of this amazing story would be a real treat for newer members. I've told George that in my opinion, this story is actually an important piece of modern Shelby American history!

Also (for those who don't know) credit for designing the iconic HPM logo goes to Pete Brock. It is just one of his many brilliant designs.

Kieth Champine

Here are George's words about 'The Logo':

At the time (1979) I worked in Hollywood, not too far from the first Hi-Performance Motors dealership at 1150 S. La Brea Ave. I was curious to see if the building was still here. It had been 14 years since Shelby had moved to the new HPM 2 location on Sepulveda Blvd, which was right around the corner from the LAX factory on West Imperial Highway. As I drove up to the building, I was shocked to see that the original Hi-Performance Motors logo was still attached to the front of the building! Two sections of it were missing. The building had a FOR SALE sign on it and I wrote down the telephone number. When I got back to work I called it and explained to the man that answered the phone what had been at the location years before. He said, "I own the building and I was the person that leased it to Carroll Shelby." He said that he knew all about Shelby and his cars. He told me that he was probably going to tear the building down. I asked about the logo on the front of the building and he said he remembered when it went up. I asked if I could buy it for a couple hundred dollars and he said I could, as long as I took it down. I sent him a check. 
 
The following Sunday, early in the morning, I drove my '65 GT 350 #467 down and took a few pictures of the car under the logo. A couple of friends drove their pickup truck with some tools and a ladder and helped out. We backed the truck under the logo and put the ladder up. Unfortunately the logo was almost flush against the building and we could not get our tools in back of it. I got up on the roof of the building and leaned over but still could not get any of the logo off. The only thing left to do was to break it up into pieces. It was made out of a hard plastic so I took a hammer and broke it apart figuring that when I got home I could put back together like a puzzle, then glue it and make a backing to attach it to. When I got home, I spread it out and all of the pieces were there and did fit together. I figured that sometime in the future I would work on it. That sometime in the future never came. I put all of the pieces in one of the many large walk-in cabinets in my garage and forgot about it. 
 
It has now been 41 years since the original story appeared in the Shelby American, and over time I have been asked more than once about the sign, so I guess I should finish the story. Unfortunately, it does not have a good ending. Over the years it was never moved from its original location in the walk-in cabinet and things got put in front of it so nobody would have even known the pieces were there. Years later I moved and I was not the one that did the final walk thru in the garage cabinets to make sure that nothing was left behind. Unfortunately it was still there somewhere and whoever found it would have never known of its importance. I'm sure they figured it was just junk!
 


Note the two different colors of the logo still clearly visible on the building in George's photo, and as seen in this famous original ad for the first dealership:



In this small gray ad below, I added that light greenish color to the upper right of the logo. It was originally a black & white magazine ad, but I think it's so cool because it looks like a white contrail behind that 'rocket like' logo:

This thread is ONLY about DOT 3 brake fluid. If we get all the other types and numbers involved this will go off the rails. No silicone in this discussion please!

I just learned that all the DOT 3 brake fluid that I can find right now is synthetic. Can DOT 3 synthetic be mixed with the 'regular' DOT 3 - the previous version that says nothing about being synthetic on the bottle?

Thanks

I did try the search bar here and also on Google, but with mixed to no results, so I'm going to ask Forum 2.0 about the correct valve lash for Ford's C7FE-6250-A LeMans cam in a 289 Hi-Po.

My files say .020 Intake and .025 Exhaust, but I have no confirmation if those are cold settings or not. Can anyone here confirm if those settings are correct and if they are the numbers for a cold valve lash setting?

Thanks,
Kieth

I was recently thumbing thru an old issue of The Shelby American and ran across this photo.
My first reaction was,"Hey, a 1966 GT 350 with dash lights that work!"

I reacted to the photo that way because of how my fellow 1966 owner friends and I have lamented over the years about how incredibly dim our dash and tach lights are. But this photo sure goes against that grain. So I kidded them to start digging thru their old National Geographics because I had never seen the actual photo myself:



Sure enough, George Watters responded right away that not only had he cut the photograph out of his February 1968 issue, but that he still had it and would send it to me to scan! He did so, and here it is:



We all started discussing it, and came up with some observations. George & I agreed that the speedometer reads about 50 mph, and that the tachometer reads about 2200 rpm. Steve calculated that with a 6.95 x 14 tire, that comes up with a rear end gear ratio number of about 3.31. Given that that the instrument needle readings in the photo are approximate, that points to it being a 3.50 gear ratio, and thus most likely is a C4 automatic car. Denny theorized that the driver's hands are in positions that seem more likely suited to driving an automatic, as one's right hand may be on the shifter if it was a four speed.

I of course wondered if it was a Hertz car, but we can't see the color of the car/stripes or if a Hertz warning sticker is on the dash somewhere. We all commented on the rear view mirror! That had to have been changed due to the type of photograph they wanted to portray. Also, George adds that the I-10 runs east & west, starting somewhere around Santa Monica.

So, the whole re-discovery of this photo and subsequent discussions and observations of it were really fun. It would be even more fun is someone here knows "photographer Jonathan Blair" and he could comment on this (now famous!) photo.

Kieth

Wow - it didn't take long for the coattail riders to turn up, 'eh?

It already started in 1965:

Does anyone have a well used large letter Speedway 350 tire for sale? Tread condition/weather checking, etc. not important as I would only use it to display a similar well worn '67 Shelby hubcap. Just a fairly decent front sidewall/white letters is all that matters to me.

PM me or email photos/price to:
p51ace@sbcglobal.net

Thanks,
Kieth

I posted this on the Boss 302 Forum also (no response) so I thought I'd try it here too. Does anyone know the magazine/issue that this centerfold was in? I like this photo so much I have three copies of it, one being in a frame since I was in high school when the magazine first came out.

I hate it when sometimes magazines don't have their name and issue info on the bottom of the pages. It never seems important at the time to note things like that, but then later in life it becomes very interesting to know the source of something you like.

Thanks,
Kieth

I just noticed this ad in the January 1967 issue of Road & Track (the one with the "CS" DC 3 at LAX on the cover).

Too bad there's no Frank Volberg listed in the Registry, it would be fun for the current owner of this car to see an ad for his car from 52 years ago - unless someone here knows which car this is:

I was recently (and very generously) given a build sheet for a 1970 BOSS 302, and I would like to reunite it with the current owner of the car.

If anyone here knows who currently owns 0F02G116485, please have them contact me via email. With proof of ownership, it's theirs.

My friend and I feel that this will result in good car karma!

Thanks,
Kieth
p51ace@sbcglobal.net

For Sale is my custom Hurst Competition Plus/Original Ford handle shifter. It's ready to bolt in as-is to any 1965-66 GT350 with a Borg Warner T-10 and is completely undetectable when installed. The height of the handle, the angle of it, everything - is EXACT and works perfectly. I made a fixture to have an original factory Ford shifter/handle assy aligned with this brand new Competition Plus shifter body to duplicate the height and angle of the original Ford handle. After that was achieved, it was welded, ground and polished, and the handle was rechromed. It even retains the original spring loaded action of the reverse lock out bar, even though it is not needed to engage reverse in this case. 

This shifter (3913180) will fit any Mustang from 1965-69. The Borg Warner T-10 and the Toploader both use this same shifter body. Again, if this is going into a Shelby/Mustang with a BW T-10, the entire assembly is ready to bolt in as-is. If going into a Shelby/Mustang with a Toploader, you will need a 3735587 linkage kit.

Also shown here is the original installation instruction sheet for the Borg Warner T-10.

This model shifter body is the desirable early type with the welded handle assembly. The next generation had handles that bolted into the wedge assembly that goes into the shifter, and are not the same solid feel of the first generation welded shifters.

Reproduction Ford handles run about $175 (this one is a genuine Ford handle) and also included is a perfect boot, knob, all hardware and back up switch ancillaries and wiring (if needed). $695 - and I'll split the shipping with you.

Even better - I will deliver this shifter to SAAC 44 (my cell is 920-819-1609) or I can also take PayPal or a postal money order. Please PM, email, text or call with any questions or for any more detail photos.

Thanks,
Kieth

p51ace@sbcglobal.net
Home - 920-498-8755 (start to leave a message so I'll pick up)
 

This is a pair of NOS 1967 Mustang coil springs for sale, part number C7ZZ-5310-AB. They have never been installed and are "Frt. Spring Code No. 4L" in the Ford Master Parts Catalog. 4L springs were used on Mustangs with the 390 engine and several different option packages. They have 1 Gold and 1 Tan stripe. I also have both of the original paper tags. $300.

PM me or contact me via email for any other details, photos, or info. I can deliver them to SAAC 44 next week. I can also accept PayPal (or money order, etc.) after I calculate the shipping amount.

Thanks,
Kieth
p51ace@sbcglobal.net

Is CSX2287 on the gas or on the brakes here?

Anthony Dilabio (aka Road Reptile) of '67 Shelby fame recently sent me a rare copy of this August 1967 magazine that has a feature on the SUPER SNAKE. He was wondering if the car still had those "unique headers with Grand Prix type collectors" when I saw it at MCACN in November 2018. Well, the hood was never open when I saw it in Chicago, and because this article is the first I ever learned of those unique headers, I had no idea to look underneath for them at the time. If you recall, I had posted on here prior about being all alone with the car in a warehouse after the show (with its keys still in the ignition) and I could have used my phone flashlight to check for them at the time - if I had known about them.

So that opportunity was missed, but maybe someone here knows if the car still has these cool, hand-built headers? The recent new owner surely would know!

In any case, enjoy these photos and article that many of us would not have otherwise been able to see. I had to downscale the images 50% to post them here, so the resolution is not very good, but I have them at full scale on my computer and can email them to whoever asks for them.

Enjoy - and Thanks Anthony!

Kieth 

This headline of Don Prudhomme's article in the May 2019 issue of Hemmings Muscle Machines included his relationship with Roland Leong of "The Hawaiian" funny car empire and about 1965 being "The Year of The Snake" in the Chinese calendar.

Everyone reading this now will see the same incredible irony that I do, as that was also the year that another team of snakes won the WORLD MANUFACTURER's CHAMPIONSHIP: