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Just FYI:  An "A" letter series black and yellow CA plate would have been first issued to a 1963 (or earlier) car, when CA made the change from the 1956-era yellow background with black letters. 

This plate would not be original on a 1966 vehicle.   

SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Random car pictures
« on: August 08, 2022, 08:14:50 PM »
Gardner and Tremulis

Good ol' Garnder & Tremulis needed to think a bit more about names:
A "Coupe de Elegance", with the optional "Biarritz" top sounds a helluva lot more like a Cadillac than a Ford.

The Lounge / Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
« on: August 07, 2022, 11:16:08 PM »
Don, where you live, I'd imagine you're literally a captive audience to whatever a car dealer wants to do. Not many other dealers to choose from.

The Lounge / Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
« on: August 07, 2022, 03:40:33 PM »
Lincoln tech:  Thanks for your knowledgeable comments and perspective.  You're right...things have certainly changed.  And needs to be changed again...for the better this time!

What you wrote here really sums it up perfectly:
One more thing, Ford dealers don't want to deal with Lincolns so they will blow you away saying they're booked up ( look here comes another pain in the ass Lincoln owner ) LOL  Good luck.

Some more personal anecdotal perspective that is probably relatable to long time Lincoln owners too: From the early '60s until 1990, my mom always drove new Cadillacs (we weren't dad drove the same VW Beetle for ten years to make that happen with our family budget.)

As the quality of the Caddys got worse and worse, in late 1989 I convinced my parents to sell their nearly new Fleetwood (a total POS from day one) and go drive this new Japanese luxury car called Lexus. They weren't too eager to buy a Japanese product, but I convinced them that I'd been to the press intro, and magazine-tested them, and Lexus definitely had raised the "standard of the world" to be Lexus, not Cadillac. 

My parents begrudgingly went to the Lexus dealer, expecting to find a large Camry, but once they drove the LS400, they were sold. At the first service, I went with my mom just to see how everything went. I didn't tell anyone at the dealer about my magazine or Toyota connections. When the service manager came out personally to give her the keys, she thanked him and said "Now that's Cadillac service...from the 1960s!"  We all shared a laugh over that. 

I told that story to the head of Lexus Division, and he said he'd relay it to all of the dealer principals.

PRICE DROP to $1000.  Cash only.  No shipping.  See photos and details in above posts.

I'm located near San Diego, and will meet you anywhere in Orange County or San Diego County for in-person delivery.
Possibly up to Los Angeles or Riverside areas.

PM me if interested.  Everything is in very nice condition.  Only 500 miles of use.   


The Lounge / Re: Jim Farley's vision for killing Ford
« on: August 06, 2022, 04:30:56 PM »
Here's my purely anecdotal experience regarding FoMoCo dealers in my area. And yes, I understand about the Covid fallout, employee and parts shortages, etc.

The nearest Lincoln dealer to me in San Diego area is a Penske store, where I bought our Navigator Black Label new in 2019. 

Aside from a minimal re-do of the showroom and small waiting area, it's your basic 1980s' looking store.

The service bays are all outside, with minimal cover. And there is almost always a week or so wait to get an appointment. Then, on appointment day, you drop it off and hope to see it again in an unknown of days. The service writer literally told me to take my Nav to a big Ford dealer, as I'd have better luck getting it in there. All I wanted was to have the transmission looked at, because of hard shifting that just started occurring.

So, I took it to my local Ford dealer, and the experience there was even worse than at the Penske store. The Ford service writer told me flat out that it'd be TWO MONTHS before he had an available transmission tech to look at the vehicle. I of course said No Thanks and eventually took it back to Penske Lincoln. After a three week wait, with my Nav sitting in their holding lot collecting dust, they finally had a tech open and quickly deduced the problem as just needing a software reboot to fix. He did that, and it's been trouble free ever since. 

The "Black Label" special service and treatment is virtually nonexistent at this store, and IF they even have a loaner car for you, it will literally be one of the same three pieces of crap base-model Lincolns with over 50,000 miles on them. The last one I got wasn't even washed and had less than a quarter-tank of gas in it.

The overall look of the place is like a second-rate used car lot.  Really disappointing for the Lincoln brand and the Penske brand both.

When I purchased our Navigator, that meant Lincoln "conquested" me from other brands. That's what they try their hardest to do....hence the supposed Black Label special perks.  I'd never owned a Lincoln in my life. Now, I'm looking elsewhere for its replacement.

Farley is making major blunders. And yes, I understand a fair amount about the challenges of car companies and dealers. But, I don't think his vision is a very good one.

BTW: The second-nearest Lincoln dealer to me is about 50 miles away.  Come on, guys...this is Southern California, not the Southern Hemisphere!

Me too. Keep clicking. It showed up then.

Greekz, excellent work on the spreadsheet. 

Those 14 cars, all purchased by the railroad, were probably the easiest 14 cars SAI ever sold. 

Wonder if SPRR paid full retail for them? (After all, they were damaged goods.)  :P

Good question, Brett, about the stockholders. 

As a kid in the '60s, I was so excited each year when my dad would get his broker to send him the car company annual reports. I was expecting them to read like a car magazine, with track tests, engineering tech articles, and secret future stuff at the proving grounds. But nope. Mostly boring numbers and photos of the Board of Directors.

The reports were extremely slim to non-existent on racing.  Most pages were devoted to balance sheets, graphs, news of divestitures, foreign expansions, factory improvements and cost-cutting measures, and maybe some charitable work.

Plus the requisite photos of the current-year pretty cars on the cover, and perhaps a shot or two of the year's big seller and a future car.

Not much in there for a Shelby-loving kid. In fact, I can't recall even a mention of CS or the SAI program or their vehicles, ever.
Does anybody?

1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Sleeping Beauty wakes up
« on: August 04, 2022, 07:05:03 PM »
^^^ I like your philosophy and taste in cars.

Excellent info, Rich.  Thanks! 

CS making $50k/year from Ford is about what I would've guessed...but in addition (IMO) there was probably some more $$ coming to him through SAI.  Many ways to do that, of course.   

SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Carb spacer on a 427 side oiler?
« on: August 04, 2022, 12:32:28 AM »
Sounds like fuel percolation.  First things I'd be trying:

Phenolic spacer. (Taller the better, but even a slight height improvement should help.

Electric fuel pump at the tank.

Wrap fuel lines in engine compartment.

This is a problem that probably 95% of us have encountered with our vintage muscle cars.  Keep picking away at protecting from high heat sources. Others here will have more good ideas.   

SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Random car pictures
« on: August 03, 2022, 11:41:16 PM »
Car has CA license plate.  Any idea what those two grille badges signify?

Rich: Great details and info, thanks!   

Any guesstimate as to how much CS paid himself per year out of the SA coffers?  (Separate from any FoMoCo-paid personal appearance fees).

I wonder if that amount was considered too big by Ford, it might be another motivation for the takeover. 

Yep. The simpler(?) analog days. 

One time, at Popular Hot Rodding in the early/mid '80s, we received a brown-line with an entire "web" of 8 or 16 pages (that's how printing was done back then) run upside down.  If it'd been a holiday, or some other reason why no one looked at it, that would've likely made it into print. 

Try not getting fired if that happened.

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