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If they are sanded off the engineering numbers are very difficult to put them back in . It can be done.

Quote from: rcgt350 on April 29, 2020, 12:36:16 PM
I know this is off track, but can we assume that the Alternator fan and Pulley were painted black on 67 GT 350's ? I'm quite sure I've seen a few, what I felt were original untouched cars like that, but I don't have pictures to back it up.

Black is not typical IMHO in 67 production however pretty undeniable in the picture.  The transition to the gold pulley and fan started taking place in later 66 production.  I would hesitate to black on anything but the earliest 67 however. We know that the change over was completed to the use of the gold chromate in 67 and didn't change back from examples. What can be said is that the black fan/pulley was at least correct on that specific car. Any cars going forward it gets iffier and iffier. 

Coker has a steel lug put into the center aluminum casting and that lug is welded to the steel rim.  I am not sure if Paradise does the welding or if he uses cap screws to hold the center to the rim like he does when he restores originals. If he does the cap screw then that would be the one to get. You can do creative camouflage to make the capscrew heads look more like original rivets  .  Or so I'm told 

Quote from: KR500 on April 29, 2020, 09:11:16 AM
I have used Fine Lines

Rodney ,fine lines was my go to Co. but then they changed the tube they use and have gone to the tube that has the bluesh gray look to it and not the Terne steel look like before.  They told me it was all they could get . I understand that the Terne steel finish has been regulated out of existence. Classic Tube uses something that has a better comparable look .I and others have started to buy from them because of it. You might want to check into it.

Quote from: Special Ed on April 29, 2020, 10:09:40 AM
On the 67 battery J-bolt finish issue I have some nos c5az autolite packaged j-bolts (only ones I ever found in the old autolite package) and they have a whiteish powder like coating over the phosphate that makes them look silverish in color in that picture however the coating would dissolve after getting wet a few times and disappear. I think from new these j-bolts originally had this coating to protect them from battery acid or whatever. I showed my nos j-bolts to Mr G. years ago as he still is claiming the 67 j-bolts were cad plated but nobody has ever found any used cad plated and I had collected about 50 original of these over the years most from out west rustfree or new take offs and none were cad plated and there is no ford part # change only one c5az # used from 65 to 69. What is it THEY say extraordinary CLAIMS require extraordinary PROOF!!

Whitish powder? I wish you had a picture of the ones you showed me to show to others reading. The ones you showed me looked like only half covered. They had a white minimal dusting of something but not entirely white/white which they would have to be to show up as pronounced as those in the black and white picture. Instead you could still see the gray zinc phosphate underneath. It appeared to be more like corrosion of some type to me.  That is why you didn't convince me . I have always theorized that the J bolts had been done for a short period of time in more protective zinc silver like many other bolts ,screws brackets etc. of the same time period and then found to be too expensive and transitioned to less expensive ,less protected zinc phosphate coating instead. The zinc silver would show up bright in the black in white photos like the example . What is more likely ? Zinc silver plating like many other fasteners were plated in the engine compartment ? Or some obscure whitish powder that no one has seen used before? Also which would be the more extraordinary claim?  .   

Quote from: 68krrrr on April 28, 2020, 09:38:06 PM
Was the windshield washer bag vs  bottle an early/late thing also ,i see both on 67's all the time

Yep . Approximate March of 67 + or - transition.

Quote from: Special Ed on April 28, 2020, 06:14:46 PM
Hummm   note the 67 PHOSPHATE battery J -bolts in that great detailed photo!   Looks like a #  50 white on rh firewall.

Early late thing Ed. This a much later outboard light car. Many of the pictures of early cars show SILVER J bolts for example. Here is a early vintage magazine photo of car #0050 .

Quote from: Dan Case on April 28, 2020, 11:53:00 AM
I believe countless Ford O.E. mechanical fuel pumps used this 87972-S Ford part in the 1950s and early 1960s. Looks to be the same as 1962-64 Fairlane parts. None of my used originals from fuel pumps have maker's logos and I don't remember a logo on the fitting in the carburetor on our black car's engine.

Bob Mannel photo Carter Carburetor Company 3623S pump assembly and 87972-S fitting.


A "COBRA" induction kit was ordered and installed by his local 'Shelby dealer' on our black car by the second owner in the 1960s.


After a quick search of that number several vendors sell functional replacements at low cost but all the pictures I saw show parts with modern "EATON" name stamps on a flat.

Dan I agree not all had the w trademark that is why I said some . Just my observations . Eaton bought/absorbed weatherhead at some point.

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Quote from: GT350DAVE on April 28, 2020, 09:40:28 AM
The ammeter wiring goes through the choke cable hole for early cars. For later 350's there is an added hole for the wiring.

as Dave said, above.  Since GT500's had electric choke all the GT500's used the Ford choke hole for the oil line and Amp gauge wire - no extra hole added.

Typo alert. Think you meant to say automatic choke.

Quote from: roddster on April 28, 2020, 10:01:11 AM
  Has anyone ever posted the publication date from Popular Hot Rodding?  Must have been in 1968 as that is when "Shelby" branded accesories started being sold.

Started being sold in 67.

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Quote from: s2ms on January 23, 2018, 12:06:19 AM
Think this is the one I originally posted on the crashed forum, best version I have...

.      Thermactor car eh?California?

Likely but not a forgone conclusion.  Thermactor cars ended up in non mandatory states sometimes. It depended on things like color and trans and if the combination was needed to fill a dealer order somewhere else. Most cars were built by SA on speculation to fill dealer "orders".

The man is George Elliott, who at the time was the Editor of Popular Hot Rodding (and my future boss.)  Cool guy, knows his stuff, and is a naturally talented driver/racer.
PHR's offices were in West L.A.
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Surprising to see theses valve covers on the car way back when.......

Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 24, 2018, 10:49:54 PMI believe the article was about installing valve covers and the time frame that it occurred in was after Ford bought/took away /what ever the real story is the Cobra trademark in 1967 from SA. Consequently all of the intakes, valve covers,oil pans ,air cleaners  etc. that Shelby sold after market could not use the Cobra trademark from that time forward. Instead the items had to have the Shelby name . Shelby made money promoting the Shelby marked items and not the Cobra marked items so you can understand why they showed up in a article about installing aftermarket valve covers.

Ahh haa ,yes they should be brass. Oh well the hardware store is easy too.

Quote from: NC TRACKRAT on April 27, 2020, 05:17:18 PM
My "lightbulb" just switched "on".  If I'm not mistaken, the same fittings are used in the lower tanks of radiators for C-4's to accept the cooling lines.

Taught me something today.Thanks.

Quote from: gt350hr on April 27, 2020, 03:34:31 PM
  Mustangs and Shelbys were nevwer "Police interceptors" , at least ford didn't think so. Police Interceptors were always full size cars.

+1 What he said. 

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Quote from: chris NOS on April 27, 2020, 05:45:57 AM
i just read the whole post ! that's a lot of work ! thank you Bob, Jeff ,Steve and others for your dedication to have Shelby American production's history clear and accurate !

Thank you for your kind words. You are very welcome. I really enjoy the opportunity to share and learn new things here on the forum. It's a great setting and we're blessed to have so many knowledgeable experts (I'm not one) who take time to participate here. It's a honor for me to have my name mentioned in the same sentence with Bob & Jeff - two of the truly great resources in this community.

Steve

Steve, your flattery compensation check is in the mail .