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Quote from: 6S1568 on January 29, 2024, 08:57:52 AM
At engine start up over 74 LBS pressure. After full warm-up, the gauge still high, around 62-64 LBS. After a few laps around the block, oil pressure stays above 60 LBS while driving and falls back to 40 at idle.

     I don't see a problem with these values; as a matter of fact, these are of the numbers range that most individuals, that as customers expect, and voice a complaint if not!   

    Since these numbers are being achieved with a "standard volume" (M84A) pump, I would accept that this as an indicator of the overall bleed-off rates are being limited and therefore an indicator that the overall clearance values are somewhat on the "snug" side; but that's not necessarily a bad thing, just that for more performance oriented applications with the intended greater clearance sums generally experienced it often takes the H.V. pump in the attempt to get there.   

Quote...............it appears that the engine is pushing a little oil out, either at the distributer seal, or the front of the intake gasket. 

     With the exception of the argument that with greater pressure and the increase volume in the bleed-off rates, consequently leading to greater oil sums in motion within the crankcase, but directly, the "oil pressure" has little effect on these leakages as they are not part of the "pressurized" system.   

     Scott. 

Quote from: crossboss on January 23, 2024, 12:58:57 PM
All of this sounds like a lot of work/expense. Why not just swap in a TKO 5 speed and be done with it? Just a suggestion...

    +1   

     But it'll probably be a"TKX" in the end.   

     Scott.

     Yes, that 'IS' a Detroit Locker unit.   

     Scott.

Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 10, 2024, 10:53:53 PM
Having to tighten oil pan and trans bolts every so often is not out of the ordinary............... Heat cycles of the engine can cause the bolts to loosen over time . Of course you can use lock tight if it really bothers you ...................

     Just to expand a little on this:  Yes, it is not unusual for these fasteners to loosen in time, but the initial loosening of the fastener has more to with heat cycling, with increased loading and then relaxation, and the resultant crush and shrinkage effects this imparts on the sealing gaskets, which then present a reduced fastener clamping load which then permits the fluid leakage event; and if not addressed, in time the fasteners' underhead preload will be lost adequately to 'then' permit vibration to shake the fastener out onto the ground.   

     So with this understanding, the use of a thread-locking compound to freeze the fastener in place, though it might keep one from loosing the fastener onto the pavement, won't prove to be an aid in controlling leakage, and as a matter of fact, will inhibit ones' ability in the ultimately required re-torquing task in order to keep things sealed up at a later date.    

    Oh, and don't choose to practice "over-torquing" these, no matter the frustration that accompanies the re-torquing requirements, as then you'll open a new "can of worms"!   

    These old cars, back then, leaked the day one brought it home new from the dealership; we can generally do better today at sealing them up then F.M.C. did originally, but still..................., it is unfortunately and not intentionally, by design to leak!   

    Scott.

Quote from: shelbydoug on January 10, 2024, 09:28:06 AM
...................... and get this, it was a "Classic Car" plate. Now I can understand a 1960 Rambler but a Honda Civic? Geese!

    Yeah I understand your perspective, but also, and not to stoke the flames, particularly here, but it's the built yesterday, "Classic"/"Vintage"/"Collector" plate today, Cobra Kit/Replica/Tribute/Reproduction/etc. vehicles that sorta rub me wrong!   It's just because, well, it just isn't!   

    Scott.

     Looks like it was running quite well actually, as it seems as though it had acquired a reasonable enough velocity to bounce off something crumpling the right front pretty good, then was redirected sideways into what might have been a tree or telephone/power pole for a good wack on the left!  Kinda a case of turning the other cheek in car speak! 

     Nothin' a good body couldn't pull-out!   

     Scott.

Quote from: FL SAAC on January 09, 2024, 05:02:06 PM
sometime in the 1970s

       It would be interesting to know if it was reincarnated, existing today as a "prime investment grade" vehicle?   

       Scott.

Quote from: FL SAAC on January 05, 2024, 05:30:02 PM
you really meant to say " the block rolling "

     Yes, I yield to your better choice of wording here; besides, with a little more effort, maybe we'll make it to 4 pages of this amazing "gibberish"!   

     Scott.

     P.S.: Somebody better inject some relevant key wording incorporating "Shelby", "Cobra", etc. or this thread is liable to be "officially" labeled as an unappreciated "gibberish"!   

      This discussion here of the definition of a "Small-Block" vs. "Big-Block" (or other designation), is somewhat along the lines of the long time argument of what constitutes a true "Sports-Car", and then which vehicles absolutely are or are not such.  Although we all have our own impressions of what a 'proper' sports car might be, a truly finite and factual definition, with thought, proves somewhat more difficult; and as manufactures often did not actually defined specifically the their product was a "Sports-Car", even if it obviously fit the bill, but though at times participated in the promotion as such.   

      And my intention is not to redirect this thread to S.C.'s, just presenting for thought the comparison.      

      And what the heck, ...................just keep the ball rolling!   

      Scott.

Quote from: mgreene on January 05, 2024, 08:37:05 AM
This is from the factory Ford MuscleParts catalog from 1970 - note the words at the top, "Small Block Series," when referencing the 351C. So this refutes at least two previous statements : 1.) that Ford never used these terms and 2.) That the 351C is not a small block.

      I think I sorta addressed the advertising angle on this matter, though more aligned at GM vs. Ford but still...............

Quote from: pbf777 on January 02, 2024, 11:56:48 AM
    there may be instances of GM referencing such in advertising at later dates if only in it's efforts to be "hip" with the masses; and it just sorta drifted across the board to the other makers,     

     And that ad from Ford certainly looks like an effort to be "cool", but do note that they did properly reference this as the "335 Family" of engine offerings.   So call it what you will, but "Slang" vs. an accurate, technical definition, as assigned by Ford Motor Co. at the inception of an engine series is what it amounts to.   

     Maaaaaan...............this B.S. sure has some legs, we're 33 posts in, on page 3, on this subject; but we're havin' fun right! 

     Scott.

Quote from: crossboss on January 04, 2024, 01:43:00 PM
All this gibberish is amazing. ............

    Yes, we're in complete agreement if you had just stopped here!   

    But O.K., we're having fun, right!   

    But then, I have to admit I've probably aided in this "gibberish" over the decades, as when a prior Chevy devotee had purchased a Ford product he knew little about, would come into our shop and in the course of the conversation, leading to nowhere, would ask: ............... "my car, it's got an FE in it (or something a rather), is that a small block or a big block?     Answer: ..............Yeah whatever!   

    Scott.

   

Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 03, 2024, 01:21:49 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on January 03, 2024, 08:28:31 AM
A Cleveland is a 9.2" deck height. A 289-302 is a 8.2". The two are not anywhere near the same.

Same motor mounts, same bellhousing as the 289/302 which means it's designed to use weaker small block transmissions not heavy duty big block ones. By applying a deck height standard a 351 Windsor with its 9.5" deck height is a big block....... That uses the same motor mounts, same bellhousing as the 289/302 which means it's designed to use weaker small block transmissions not heavy duty big block ones.

     Sooooo......... what about the 335 series 400C engine, as in it's earlier renditions the block possessed both the "S.B." & "B.B." bell housing patterns, that on each single block?   

     Does that mean it's AC/DC?   

     Scott.

     Stop attempting to quantify this, as it is solely "slang" speech.   

     Copy-paste from Merriam-Webster:  "SLANG":  "an informal nonstandard vocabulary composed typically of coinages, arbitrarily changed words, and extravagant, forced, or facetious figures of speech."

     Next:   
 

Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on January 02, 2024, 10:26:02 PM
Maybe we need a new class of Giant for the Modular engines

      O.K., without wandering to far astray into other makers, and keeping the subject to those V8 engines perhaps more period relevant to this web-site (old shyte ), this before the "Modular" era to current "new-shyte"; but since you did bring up "Giant", perhaps we could even expand this technical absurdity of "Small","Medium" & "Big" block labeling with "Giant Blocks"?  And, I guess maybe this could be the colloquialism applied to the  Ford "SD" series engines, as they certainly would fit the bill in the context of the others?   

      But,...........then if we open that door, what do we do about the real 'elephant in the room'........................ the true colossus, the Ford GAA (& GAF, GAN etc.) V8 engine?      That's it!........................"COLOSSAL BLOCK "   

      Scott.

Quote from: 1109RWHP on January 02, 2024, 08:46:42 PM
Maybe we should talk about the 351 C "big blocks".

     For those whom have been determined that this vernacular is appropriate, popularly the 335 series have been labeled, believe it or not, ................. as the "Medium-Block".   

     Scott.

Quote from: 68stangcjfb on January 02, 2024, 02:40:59 PM
Either way, a BIG BLOCK!

     You mean it has a ............ B.B.C. (abbreviations as I just can't say it! ) in it?   

     Otherwise, back then we always just said: it's got an "FE" in it!   

     Scott.