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Looking Back / Re: Retrospective Spotlight - SAAC-5
« on: June 14, 2021, 06:29:52 AM »
 Does anyone have any photos of SAAC 5 they can post on here? I'd like a few thank you.

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There's plenty more photos on the Moffat Facebook link below.

https://www.facebook.com/AllanMoffats1969FordTransAmMustang/   

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Moffat's Boss the most successfully raced touring car to race in Australia, winning 101 races from 150 starts.

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / I saw 0580 on the weekend - Looking Good
« on: April 19, 2021, 05:06:36 PM »
Does it get any better than a 1967 Brittany Blue Shelby GT500 with Kelsey-Hayes Magstars  :)

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: 6S1134 On Its Way
« on: April 15, 2021, 09:43:20 PM »
A few progress pictures.  So far, I am only replacing chalk markings that I have discovered during the process.  Really liking the no stripe look.
I prefer the GT350 with no stripes, particularly if the car didn't come with them from SA. I like them with the rocker panel decals only.

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: Another 1966 GT350 Tachometer Question
« on: April 15, 2021, 07:53:04 PM »
  There is "some" value to being "an old guy from So Cal". I admit to always having an eye for something "out of place" or different.
Too right Randy & great interview of you & your Shelby on You Tube with Mustang Connection, nice GT350 you have there.

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: Another 1966 GT350 Tachometer Question
« on: April 15, 2021, 08:27:49 AM »
Benny,

You'll never get steered wrong by Randy.  The man is an amazing wealth of experience and knowledge.

That's great to hear Roy, that Randy has the good medicine, I really appreciate his & everyone else's Shelby knowledge on the forum.

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: Another 1966 GT350 Tachometer Question
« on: April 14, 2021, 07:14:55 PM »
   6S477 has the same "top logo" tach and a "stainless' cup ( now I believe from an over the counter version) and a conventional mounting bracket that has been chrome plated. With only one owner between Hertz and me , I believe the second owner did this. I plan on painting both back to wrinkle black in the future. I have never seen any proof that chrome cups were installed on them by SAI. "I" did the one on 6S240 when I owned it because I liked the look.

Hi Randy, based on what you've said would it be fair to say the tach I have is the "over the counter version" & not the black wrinkle type directly installed buy Shelby American into 1966 GT350's?

     Benny,
       "I" do not believe the "top logo" was "ever" available over the counter. Production only. OTC tachs were "bottom logo" and the logo was usually larger in diameter. The "top logo tachs have never been reproduced , HOWEVER , there are some "overlay stickers" out there that "could" convert one. I do not believe this is the case with yours as the needle and red line needle are correct for an assembly line "early" tach.
Others may have a different opinion/ experience and i welcome additional input.
   Randy
Thanks Randy, so it's fair to say I have an early production Shelby tach with correct rev & red line needles with upper Cobra? I really appreciate your input.

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: Another 1966 GT350 Tachometer Question
« on: April 13, 2021, 09:19:21 PM »
That's an original Shelby tach for a 1966 GT350. And it's the early verion with the Cobra logo on top. Yes, the stainless/chrome cup usually indicates an OTC part. But once you put it inside a black wrinkle cup with a proper mounting bracket, no one will be able to tell if it's OTC or as installed at SA. Very nice tach!

Steve
Hi Steve, thanks for letting me know its an early version OTC Shelby Tach for a 66 GT350. I'll leave the stainless/chrome cup in the original condition its in. Knowing its OTC, allows me to buy an original unrestored wrinkle black Shelby GT350 tacho, I just need to wait until one comes onto the market for sale, cheers.
The only difference between the over the counter 9K tach and the assemblyline tach is the finish on the cup. You can easily refinish the chrome cup in the wrinkle black finish. It is more desirable that way. 99.9 % of people looking for the Cobra tachs want them the way they came from Shelby American. They early face style is the hardest to find and sells for the most $.
Hi Bob, thanks for your input & words of wisdom but I'll leave the tach in its OTC state. Although its not as desirable as assembly line black wrinkle tachs the OTC version in its own way, is still unique. I appreciate your input & thank you for your time, cheers.

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: Another 1966 GT350 Tachometer Question
« on: April 13, 2021, 07:47:19 PM »
That's an original Shelby tach for a 1966 GT350. And it's the early verion with the Cobra logo on top. Yes, the stainless/chrome cup usually indicates an OTC part. But once you put it inside a black wrinkle cup with a proper mounting bracket, no one will be able to tell if it's OTC or as installed at SA. Very nice tach!

Steve
Hi Steve, thanks for letting me know its an early version OTC Shelby Tach for a 66 GT350. I'll leave the stainless/chrome cup in the original condition its in. Knowing its OTC, allows me to buy an original unrestored wrinkle black Shelby GT350 tacho, I just need to wait until one comes onto the market for sale, cheers.

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: Another 1966 GT350 Tachometer Question
« on: April 13, 2021, 05:04:07 PM »
   6S477 has the same "top logo" tach and a "stainless' cup ( now I believe from an over the counter version) and a conventional mounting bracket that has been chrome plated. With only one owner between Hertz and me , I believe the second owner did this. I plan on painting both back to wrinkle black in the future. I have never seen any proof that chrome cups were installed on them by SAI. "I" did the one on 6S240 when I owned it because I liked the look.

Hi Randy, based on what you've said would it be fair to say the tach I have is the "over the counter version" & not the black wrinkle type directly installed buy Shelby American into 1966 GT350's?

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Another 1966 GT350 Tachometer Question
« on: April 12, 2021, 07:39:39 PM »
My tach has the chrome cup, did Faria make the chrome cup tachs or black krinkle only or both? I also have the high mounted Cobra so is it correct they were early production? Further to this, there is know date stamping on my tach & three wires from the rear cup. I also note the screw plate on mine mounts to the rear & not to the front like the black krinkle tachs, thanks for any help :).

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I believe the story in the Registry says all it needs to in order for anyone to arrive at a rational conclusion as to the fact that 3232 was severely wrecked and ended up eating resurrected from essentially its paperwork, albeit using what appears to have been a genuine Cobra chassis which was presumably renumbered. As to the legal aspects of the Registry and the facts it attempts to lay out, I will only say that I and the other Registrars do our utmost to present correct details, hence none of us are afraid to appear in court to defend our printed statements. Fortunately, we have prevailed whenever we have been dragged into court by an owner who felt wronged by the facts.
Thanks for your comments Ned & firm stance on correct details no matter how an owner may feel.

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Concerning the SAAC definition around "Present Condition", is it considered fair to call CSX3232 a "wrecked, parted out & reconstructed" or Destroyed, parted out & reconstructed Cobra? I'm asking the question based on photos & notes from the World Registry of Cobra's website & 4th Edition book & the attached photo.

I believe this is the same Destroyed Cobra.,....
What's clear in my mind, is todays CSX3232 isn't the Cobra that left Shelby American in April of 1966. That's the perspective I'll take when looking at Shelby's. Thank you for the extra photos.

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I think that if you, me, we are using a car like CSX3232 as an example, then there are several things to consider.

Certainly in the case of the comp cars, more then one have been completely re-created from the "remains" of the original. Many have been resold and personally I haven't heard of any "fraud" lawsuits involved.

It doesn't seem to be limited to original Comp Cobras that new purchasers accept the current existing car as they would the original and continue to race it?


So reconstructions of a twisted basket case race car seems to be more acceptable then a street car? It should also be noted that it may in fact be the SAAC Cobra Registry that coined the phrase, "air car", i.e., one that is constructed completely out of thin air, not even an original bolt.

Having said that, what is the acceptable level of replacement on a wreck like this? Records are attempted to be kept and the decision is up to the potential new purchaser?


It may even be a legal fact, that legally if you own the "title" in some way to a vehicle, that you have the car? I'd need a legal opinion on that but this potentially could be somewhat of a "thorny point" on the "Morrison 500", not to insult or accuse Brett of anything at all since he owns that California Registration. That's another subject though.




When I mentioned a car to our Cobra Registrar, and it might have been this one, his reply to me was "I want you to be aware that what you are looking at is not the car that left Shelby American". I think that says a lot if not all, so anyone interested in buying an "original" Cobra has to make a determination of how satisfied they are with what the car currently is?

Your last paragraph sums it up nicely, its not the car that left Shelby American & the individual needs to determine how satisfied they are with the car & its history. I like the style of the Cobra Registrar.

You will like Ned. He's a great guy. We call him the Scud missile.  ;)

Cheers Doug, I've only had the opportunity to email Ned a couple of times but I hope to meet him, you & others one day at a SAAC convention.

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