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Up For Auction / Re: SFM5S112 on Ebay
« on: June 17, 2022, 02:20:39 AM »
Unibody looks intact. Title seems clear. Car presents well in present trim.
Is it possible to buy into a 65 any cheaper?
Not a ‘stocker’, appears to have an m-1, what has really been altered?

Cobra Automotive prep nothing to be laughed at. These cars cut their teeth as the premier club racers. Not bad.
Although this car could be ‘pulled back’’, w/o structural issues- why? 
At 395k, there’s still room to do that.


Thanks Coralsnake.


Which dates  are appropriate for a 68 Shelby?
(I have some of these and am unfamiliar)

PM sent. Thx.


it would seem the distributor gear loading would be an area of concern (?)

1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: 1965 gt350R model Camshaft
« on: March 09, 2022, 04:18:31 PM »

You have asked a question which may well be unanswerable, absent an authentic build sheet for a particular car for a particular race.
Agree that the C7FE went over the counter w a 1967 part number, but Don Sullivan profiles, of which the C7FE is one at 107, were used with differing phasing in years prior.
These may give you some context:

Concours Talk / Re: 65/66 sway bar appearance
« on: February 22, 2022, 12:58:13 AM »
Thanks for posting the factory undercar photo:

- the sway bar appears smooth steel;
- the oil pan field fasteners (vice corner fasteners) are slotted pan-headed 1/4-20, with what looks like split lock washers;
-my car was issued w phillips pan headed 1/4-20 field fasteners with integral external star lock washers FWIW.

1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: 4 new R Models
« on: February 19, 2022, 06:05:47 PM »

I was at OVC today for their open house.
Although I did not check every car there, there were many, the finished 'continuation R models' I looked over closely and some of the cars in work that I checked, were indeed K chassis.
They are not 'concours' matched stamping date/glass/specific fastener cars-but they make no pretense to be.
The cars were much nicer than I expected FWIW, and although I did not talk price, it would cost hundreds to prepare such a car.
The host, Jim Marrieta, was very gracious and answered every specific question.

1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: 1965 Shelby Mustang restoration
« on: February 07, 2022, 12:26:47 AM »
Agree 100%.
That video is 20 yrs old (2002).
It is now almost 'quaint' that the then owner still considered it a performance car intended for high-performance use.
Legendary/Klutt have always done class work and that is what this video is (circa 2002).
The incredible run-up in 65 value is in some measure due to the ever evolving research, preparation, and *sharing of information* of some of the 'concours crowd' on this forum.
Very generous.
It has become extremely specific, but it really has helped owners, buyers and enthusiasts enjoy these cars at whatever level of specificity they choose. Myself included.
(the cars are also quite cool and rare as well)

1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: Date Code Opinions
« on: January 24, 2022, 11:05:05 PM »
Well, uh, if having the original engine wasn't of significance, then I guess this thread wouldn't exist.
Unfortunately many 'Shelbys' have cloned or facsimile-tribute engines, not the end of the world, but important in terms of value and originality, and your concerns on your friend's behalf are well placed.
Best to keep it fact-specific.
With the limitations you have, you could check the balancer and front cover. These dated items would typically not be serviced, as perhaps a carb or distributor could be over the course of 55 years (although balancers and cylinder heads were created in batches sometimes months away from an engine's assembly).
Your best bet is an analysis of the block stamping. As mentioned, block stampings are very nuanced from the fender stampings.
Any further feel free to PM.

1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: Date Code Opinions
« on: January 24, 2022, 04:10:56 PM »
For your consideration:

-my car is a 65;
-it's engine machining date is 4/28/65 (in Cleveland);
-it's sheetmetal stampings are centered mid-April;
-it was received at LAX from San Jose on 5/9/65.

I have a friend whose 65 was received at LAX on 5/13/65;
His engine is dated 5/3/65. His sheetmetal is also mid-April.
These times are incredibly tight considering the engines were crated, railed cross-country, installed, trucked and delivered within approximately 10 days.

Lastly, the block VIN stamping is of a different type-set than the fender-borne VIN stampings.
FWIW, I've found scheduled build dates to be the least dispositive once real analysis began (YMMV).

SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Steering Wheel Identification
« on: January 20, 2022, 10:54:04 PM »
Agreed. We call that a 'gen 1 Branda', although I would guess others may have sourced it.
Not a bad wheel, and I believe probably the 'next best' slotted wheel to an original now, for the -as mentioned- lack of a visible exterior ring.

1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: Buddy Belzer’s 65 GT350’s
« on: January 17, 2022, 11:37:24 PM »

Spoke w Buddy a couple of weeks ago. He's still into it!
One of the most personable guys you'd ever want to know.

1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: Project GT350 values
« on: January 11, 2022, 11:22:55 AM »
A couple years ago I gave serious thought to quietly selling my 65 and floated the topic w a few of the credible guys who put deals together.
The car is a two owner, steel wheel, day two car. Driver. Rough. 80s autocross/ club racer trim. Boss302/toploader/nodular w original drivetrain provided.
Needed complete $$$ resto to come close to an auction queen, of which the ingredients were there.
I was overwhelmed by the offers. So much so that the 'delta' of a quality resto would have exceeded the lofty prices we see cross the block (?).
That pretty much killed the idea of a sale and may be illuminative of why there really are no 65s 'for sale' (save these stunning improbable stories).

CSX 2000 Series / Re: Which Daytona Coupe is this and why do you think so.
« on: December 27, 2021, 05:52:11 PM »

As I mentioned above in reply #7, I affiliated in late 74, Randy Hermans recruited me and he was then club president, hmm I dunno… I was one of the younger members along w Dan M and Tony F, Hermans and Wallace prob in mid/late 20s, did alot, but the club then seemed to be steered by Lynn Park, Bob Key, Duane Bowers, and Bruce Berger (a very cool guy) who were all ‘much’ older.
There were clones then in COCOA OC, remember Randy Steppans (sic?) and the ‘collapsible roll bar’. Strange to this day.
Sam Johnson’s blue 427 was noteworthy, wasn’t it an S/C?

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