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no stories?
be very wary of terms like 'prototype' or 'one of xx'.
oft times these are terms to pull a neophyte's eye off of the ball.
if a Shelby doesn't have a -say a Shelby engine- how 'Shelby' is it? might want to check closely on this car.
it IS a prototype of a 65 Shelby with many non 65 Shelby items. some, like the aforementioned items in the cited thread, are basic ersatz replacement parts, others, like say the shifter, are simply incorrect - where lookalike facsimiles could have been substituted and perhaps passed off as 'original' ... or better yet 'prototype'.
there is also no record of this car being equipped the Crager wheels, or 15x6 steels for that matter, so check the safety bead on those rims to see if they are repros.
also be very wary of the 'Registry', for those of us who were here prior to the 'Registry' and contributed to the first edition, know that it is simply a compendium of  casually solicited pap. subsequently republished ad nauseum to give an illusion of veracity. 3x5 index cards passed out a COCOA meeting in my case. there was no verification or fact checking. subsequent unattributed 'editing' has been farcical.
Aspenburghound, somebody may well drop serious coin on this car. if it is you, you may be well advised to know, or hire one who knows, Mustangs and specifically 1965 GT-350s in all of their nuance, prior to being relieved of you money. many still yearn for a 'no stories' 65 and encounter crafted salesmanship. good luck.

Quote from: C5HM on January 13, 2021, 02:31:05 PM

Quote from: camp upshur on January 13, 2021, 12:29:20 PM

C5HM,
I was a big fan of your 64 and monitored its build over the years. In my opinion it was just too awesome to describe.
With respect to the extreme scarcity of real HM cars/chassis and the degree of effort and skill you put into bringing HM cars back from such, eh, degraded beginnings, was/is the 64 now just too far gone beyond repairability?
(if this is too much a personal question I take no offense it letting it slide)
Thx, Steve A

Thanks for the kind words. I hated to lose the 64. BUT..it was full of the toxic stuff that was dissolved in SE Texas flood water.  Up over the carb.  That means that everything would have to have been immediately disassembled and flushed to prevent major corrosion and rust damage. Engine, trans, rear end, hubs...everything.  Along with that car, I lost six others...my house and my shop. And all of my tools. Lived in a hotel for a month or so and then an apartment. Plus I was very busy at work. The very expensive Candy Tangerine paint job (3.5K just in materials) would have needed to be stripped down to bare metal and redone, too. So...No time/no place and no ability to work on the car resulted in the insurance company taking it. I had A LOT of stated value insurance on the car. So all is good on that front.  Not sure where it is now.  The two previous cars I restored before the Galaxie are still being vintage raced at least. I would have lost them too if I had not sold them.  I have heard that Curt Vogt is maintaining the Cyclone tribute I built first (NO real deal Wood Brothers SIIs survive). Not sure who the new owner is. Does anyone know? It ran at Road Atlanta last year IIRC. The 65 Daytona 500 winner still belongs to Andrew Franzone who runs it at Sonoma from time to time. It has been to Goodwood three times (the last two with Andrew). I was told it snagged  "Top 35" recognition at the last Festival of Speed it attended. That is big smoke considering the cars that show up at the F.O.S. each year.  Maybe the Torino will earn an invite when it is done.

C5HM,
Thanks for the response. I am (respecfully) just dumbfounded by all of that! I don't think I could bounce back after losing my cars and tools.
Keep up the good work! We'll be watching!!

 
C5HM,
I was a big fan of your 64 and monitored its build over the years. In my opinion it was just too awesome to describe.
With respect to the extreme scarcity of real HM cars/chassis and the degree of effort and skill you put into bringing HM cars back from such, eh, degraded beginnings, was/is the 64 now just too far gone beyond repairability?
(if this is too much a personal question I take no offense it letting it slide)
Thx, Steve A

I seem to recall (?) that the S model tachs were ACs but I could be wrong.
My tach is devoid of any mfg ID.
Is there any Faria ID?

My dealings with Jim were just as described by all.
How nice to be so highly thought of by so many.
Jim has left a wonderful legacy of friendship and goodwill.
Bravo.
Steve A

 
I completely agree. Fuller's mission was to authentically replicate the 1965-1966 items as produced which I'm certain that he has done (although I haven't seen this iteration of the tri-y's-but other items of his workmanship, most impressive).
What is simply mind boggling though, is that the original Cyclones (at least mine) were a low-end header! and quickly discarded (1975). I appreciate the concurs producer's goal is not to make a high-end header per-se but to make an authentic header per the Cyclone pedestrian standards of 1965 (in my car's case).
It is stupefying that it takes a producer of Scott Fuller's calibre and talent to bring such an item it market as -as stated- as all of the other tri-y's have fallen so short, although I have always heard Jim Cowles' were nice pieces.
What a conundrum.

Agree with the consensus that these are a premium part and fully understand/agree with the cost. The entire Fuller line is exactingly faithful and elevates the class of restorations at the high end which helps everyone (even the cloners!).
(I actually marvel at looking at the detail of some of his product line on what some may consider obscure parts)

 
Thank you. Corrected.
Your point is well taken: 1965 Shelby American prepared Mustangs may well include any body variant.

A 1965 Mustang at SAI Venice with probably more SAI TLC and 'provenance' than any of our 'SFM5' cars.

So early I would think it was most probably a FoMoCo car. But it could have been a dealer's car or a customer's car.
At this stage of research nobody knows whose car this is or where it came from (or where or went).
Over the years we've had a few+ non Shelby VIN Mustangs on here that were claimed as either special 'prototypes' prepped by SAI or  SAI 'customer cars'. These claims have been routinely derisively dismissed as baloney.  Now we see there was at least one.
When the nascent SAAC purloined those docs from Gardena (in what 1975-1976?) they purported in have the shipping docs detailing VINs shipped to SAI (but their circumspection over the years leads long term observers to question the depth of their findings).
Unfortunate for the owner of this car if it exists!

The write up is awkward. The car seems to present well.  The seller seems to go to great effort to deflect or inoculate anticipated 'witnesses from the past' stepping forth. In my opinion all of the warts mentioned are entirely normal for a 1965 GT-350. So the quarters were hacked up (perhaps w 70's IMSA flares) and later metalwork repaired, or the front end may have been bashed in losing its fenders (or more). Those are entirely normal occurrences in the 1965 fleet throughout its existence for the majority of 65s. Especially throughout the early 70's ~ late 80's.
The stratospheric rise in value, accompanied by a boutique industry of incredible craftsmanship (and of course 'experts'), wherein virginal 'Day 1' cars appear thence disappear in collections perhaps led poor Ron to this blubbering presentation. Or its just a simple blubbering presentation.

I too believe that pic was taken at the open house June 65.
Here's a couple of post LeMans pics of P1004 taken inside the hanger, prior to ending its life as a MK 1:

not being an auction listing per se we won't be able to see the market's valuation, attributes/detriments notwithstanding

The buyer dropped about 100k for a presumably clean title to SFM6S1341, the bones of an original drivetrain, and a few other select items and his journey begins. I applaud him and wish him the very best. He owns 1341 despite all the snarkiness. He has bought in to the dream. Whether he 'restores' it or 'rebodies' it, it will be the same. 1341 brought back as best he can. What the F is wrong w that?
We got colleagues on here who drop 4x that and their cars are 'only' missing a 3939s, or a G2, better yet, periodically in the 65 world, we have these embarrassing arguments where the guys w original 'sheetmetal' (and wrong engine)  wank against the guys who have their original engines but not their original 'sheetmetal'. OMFG!
It is truly too bad that 1341 was allowed to structurally degenerate to this deplorable state, but equally impressive that the market  still has this respect for SAI. Get on the train where you can and do your best. I think it's really cool.

Cinturato CN36's.....magnifique

Not questioning that that is 001 esp w the blacked out inner spokes. There were other 66s w 14" 10 spokes w the 'medallion' caps. I knew a guy 50 yrs ago who had a very late 66 w them and that was before restorations or any of that. Any other sightings of those caps?
On a side note, every one of those cars on those depicted 'tables of content' are totally bitchin. Remember the Steve Bovan/Blair's Nova well. An Irwindale favorite.