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Pittman arm?
« on: November 14, 2020, 09:35:32 PM »
Was the 66 Shelby Pittman arm the same arm as used on power steering cars? Who was the supplier to San Jose in March 66? Thank you.
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Re: Pittman arm?
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2020, 09:52:48 PM »
Was the 66 Shelby Pittman arm the same arm as used on power steering cars? Who was the supplier to San Jose in March 66? Thank you.
It was not a Mustang application.
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2020, 09:53:06 PM »
There were no '66 Shelby's with power steering... are you asking if the Shelby quick-steer pitman arm was the same as a stock Mustang with power steering?  The answer would be no, they are dimensionally different.

The Shelby quick-steer pitman arm was a Ford piece.
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2020, 09:59:55 PM »
Ok. What Ford vehicle did it come on and what the part number? Mine is missing. I still hope to find it. Thank you
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Re: Pittman arm?
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2020, 10:57:55 PM »
This is the quick steer kit that was just removed from 5S163

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Re: Pittman arm?
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2020, 05:03:48 PM »
Hi Hertz350,

IIRC, the 66 GT350 idler arm uses the power steering bushing C3DZ-3356-A, not the manual steering bushing C3DZ-3356-C or C5ZZ-3356-A.  That may be part of your confusion.

Why SAI used the power steering bushing for their manual quick steering idler arm has always baffled me.  The only thing I can guess is the power steering bushing had a larger ID and OD compared to the manual steering bushing, making it more heavy duty.  Any other guesses?

 Cory
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Re: Pittman arm?
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2020, 12:05:48 PM »
Ok. What Ford vehicle did it come on and what the part number? Mine is missing. I still hope to find it. Thank you

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Re: Pittman arm?
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2020, 07:39:42 PM »
Here is the picture of my idler arm off of my March built  66 Shelby. Part number is XRR 2549. This has the bushing for the power steering idler arm installed.
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2020, 08:32:12 PM »
Was the 66 Shelby Pittman arm the same arm as used on power steering cars? Who was the supplier to San Jose in March 66? Thank you.

Hi Hertz350,

Was the power steering bushing in the idler the source of you confusion for the power steering Pittman arm?  Or was there something else?

Both the Pittman arm and idler are 1.0 inch longer than the stock mustang pieces.  I am helping a buddy that his car has a GT350 Pittman arm with a stock shorter Mustang idler.  He never notices.  I can't imagine how this affects the steering or wears on the tires.  It can't be good.

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Cory
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Re: Pittman arm?
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2020, 08:51:41 PM »
Yes, I was confused by why it used the same bushing as a 66 power steering idler arm. I was hoping to find that the information would lead me to a source for a Ford correct pitman arm in case I can't find mine. Now that I understand it and have the part number, I will source a Shelby pitman arm if I don't find mine. Thank you for your help.
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Re: Pittman arm?
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2020, 11:49:51 PM »
Here is the picture of my idler arm off of my March built  66 Shelby. Part number is XRR 2549. This has the bushing for the power steering idler arm installed.
I would loose the yellow paint.
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Re: Pittman arm?
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2020, 12:22:15 AM »
I would loose the yellow paint.

Hi Bob,

Is idler/pitman arm yellow paint not considered correct for 66?

While the yellow paint in the reply #7 photo appears to have been applied later, when I removed the the grease and grime from the original idler and pitman arms on 6S1757 in ~1990, both were covered in yellow paint.

I've seen other later 66 original arms with yellow as well. Just trying to get a consensus.

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Dave
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2020, 12:58:19 AM »
This yellow paint is duplicated as to what was on this part. This is a March built car shipped on 3/31.
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Re: Pittman arm?
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2020, 01:01:08 AM »
I would loose the yellow paint.

Hi Bob,

Is idler/pitman arm yellow paint not considered correct for 66?

While the yellow paint in the reply #7 photo appears to have been applied later, when I removed the the grease and grime from the original idler and pitman arms on 6S1757 in ~1990, both were covered in yellow paint.

I've seen other later 66 original arms with yellow as well. Just trying to get a consensus.

Thanks,
Dave
It is typical to see the yellow paint on ps idler arms.The yellow typical identify's ps. I haven't seen the yellow on many survivor  65/66 examples so I am a little skeptical to say it is supposed to be on every one . Given the arm was put on at SA and not Ford so there was no need for assemblyline type identification markings so it seems contradictory that there would be one. I also don't think that it was a complete assembly chassis side and arm when purchased/shipped to SA. Just individual arms swapped out with the Mustang one. I don't remember seeing any of the NOS ones that had the Ford oval trademark with yellow paint designated for power steering on them.I have several on the shelf that don't have it ether. I wasn't aware that the Ford application of the SA added longer arm was a ps one. With all that said I think the jury is still out. That is why I said that I would loose the yellow paint. I would rather be safe and not have anything then a wrong marking painted on.
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Re: Pittman arm?
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2020, 01:03:32 AM »
This yellow paint is duplicated as to what was on this part. This is a March built car shipped on 3/31.
Then I hope you had the presence of mind to take pictures of the part prior to restoration to justify why you did it. Some of these cars have gone through several restorations over the years.
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