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Shelby 9' Rear End Center Section Question?
« on: April 30, 2018, 10:11:13 PM »
Question?  Was the 67' Shelby the only Shelby that came with the SPEC center section? and was the SPEC center section only installed in the GT500?

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Re: Shelby 9' Rear End Center Section Question?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2018, 10:55:18 PM »
Question?  Was the 67' Shelby the only Shelby that came with the SPEC center section? and was the SPEC center section only installed in the GT500?

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GT500 was the typical recipient of the spec case . Some other car models used the spec case as well. I think 427 Fairlane was one.
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Re: Shelby 9' Rear End Center Section Question?
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2018, 04:51:12 AM »

I have seen the SPEC case in some very very early 68 500's  . The 67  427 Fairlane  also used a case that looks just like the SPEC case but  instead Of SPEC it is says 7OR 

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Re: Shelby 9' Rear End Center Section Question?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2018, 10:42:36 AM »
    Tom ,
        The "spec" case AKA Nodular Iron Case ( C4AW-B) was only used with 31 spline axles so , yes, GT500s only in '67. We still haven't solved the mystery as to why the foundry changed from the normal date code to SPEC and then back to date code on those cases. There wasn't anything different on them , just the SPEC.
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Re: Shelby 9' Rear End Center Section Question?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2018, 05:50:48 PM »
Anyone have any pictures of the spec case with it's original pinion support?

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Re: Shelby 9' Rear End Center Section Question?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2018, 06:38:16 PM »
   Tom ,
      Just a "normal" C5AW "Daytona" support , nothing special. They are not dated by year. Month and day only. Looking forward to seeing you and Liz in August.
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Re: Shelby 9' Rear End Center Section Question?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2018, 04:37:52 PM »
Anyone have any pictures of the spec case with it's original pinion support?

Here is a close up installed. The outer "ring" of the retainer (blue arrow) is flat so you have the machined surface that is around the whole front face rather than just sections as on other styles of retainers



And another






While I'm posting and for others that may run across this thread later using the search a couple of additional pictures






And in response to the first question about different applications here are the single and double rib designed versions cast with the SPEC. Sure many will notice that both examples are the later design with the fill plug located on the 3rd member case - drivers side



« Last Edit: May 02, 2018, 04:40:19 PM by J_Speegle »
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Re: Shelby 9' Rear End Center Section Question?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2018, 05:52:37 PM »
      Jeff ,
        Thanks for the excellent pictures. To ALL viewing them , the single rib , SPEC case  was NOT used on '67 Shelby OR '67 Ford high performance vehicles with 31 spline axles. It is grey iron and not nodular iron. The correct casting number on the "inside" of the nodular iron , multi rib case is C4AW 4025 B . NOTHING else is correct for '67 high performance rear axle assemblies. Unscrupulous sellers will no doubt try to pass these off as "SPEC" cases for big money. I don't want to see anyone ripped off.
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Re: Shelby 9' Rear End Center Section Question?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2018, 07:16:20 PM »
      Jeff ,
        Thanks for the excellent pictures. To ALL viewing them , the single rib , SPEC case  was NOT used on '67 Shelby OR '67 Ford high performance vehicles with 31 spline axles. It is grey iron and not nodular iron. The correct casting number on the "inside" of the nodular iron , multi rib case is C4AW 4025 B . NOTHING else is correct for '67 high performance rear axle assemblies. Unscrupulous sellers will no doubt try to pass these off as "SPEC" cases for big money. I don't want to see anyone ripped off.
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Yes reason for posting that additional picture since it could be an attractive and leading feature (the SPEC) in an EBay ad for example


The "SPEC" date casting turns up in many strange places on many different parts.  That by itself IMHO does not override doing your homework and considering the whole picture and all facts related to the part
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Re: Shelby 9' Rear End Center Section Question?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2018, 10:05:10 PM »
Question?  Was the 67' Shelby the only Shelby that came with the SPEC center section? and was the SPEC center section only installed in the GT500?

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GT500 was the typical recipient of the spec case . Some other car models used the spec case as well. I think 427 Fairlane was one.

Bob, you are correct.  The 67 427 Fairlane center section is a "SPEC" and says SPEC.   The 66 Fairlanes had it as well and I assume Shelby took them from the 66 31 spline race cars to put in the 67's. 
« Last Edit: May 02, 2018, 10:08:04 PM by Greg »
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Re: Shelby 9' Rear End Center Section Question?
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2018, 09:42:19 AM »
A couple other thoughts/questions ----

1.  Were there nodular castings made with and without the oil fill boss with same C4 AW-B marking?

2.  Was there a period in transition where some of the castings with the boss (single and double rib)  left undrilled for the plug when mated with a housing that had an oil filler plug?  (67 time period)
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Re: Shelby 9' Rear End Center Section Question?
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2018, 10:32:59 AM »
   I have been building/re building 9" Ford differentials for over 50 years and never have I seen a nodular (C4AW-B or DOOW-B) case without the oil fill plug hole. Single rib cases yes.  I have seen them without the fill plug hole drilled and tapped. I haven't tracked the time frame on the single rib cases. Just the nodular ones.
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Re: Shelby 9' Rear End Center Section Question?
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2018, 08:18:46 PM »
This case is the double ribbed case with the C4AW marking.  Also has the filler on the drivers side. 

Pinion support on this case is a Daytona C5AW with built date of B8.  Did these SPEC cases come with a Daytona pinion support or just standard support?

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Re: Shelby 9' Rear End Center Section Question?
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2018, 10:42:52 AM »
   Yes , what you have is correct!
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Re: Shelby 9' Rear End Center Section Question?
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2018, 07:51:14 PM »
Anyone care to share concours correct paint splotch details on their GT350 carrier and steel axle housing?
Early 67 calendar year preferred (with fill plug in housing and carrier).

PM or email if you don't care to share publicly.

On EDIT: This question moved to its own thread:
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=4106.0
« Last Edit: December 18, 2018, 01:27:08 PM by Bossbill »
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