Author Topic: 1966 Shelbys en France - Rechercher une information / New: Sport Auto Car 8/66  (Read 9838 times)

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Hello Guys,

thanks a lot for that massive answers and great Photo and Vin Research ... thats is what i hoped for

When i read about only 11 Cars in 1966 i hoped to find all, even with SFM and time correct Photo

@Joephil  Thanks for that Link to the French Forum, i searched there that to, but i cant read french good as english and so i can only
do limited research

Thank you very much for your inport, any thought and pic is welcome..

This 397 and 398 Thing is strange but awesome to see both on one Pic

Just France? My 70 GT350 was sold new in Belgium By Claude and the 4th owner was a Frenchman and when I got it it came with a French title. I also sent a 68 GT350 to France in 2013.

Hello Shelbymann, thank you for your inport.

I am interested in every Car outside America, so you and your Car is very welcome

I came with 2 time correct "Sport Auto" Magazine from French

in April 1966 only a Poster is showed, the Man is Jo Schleser himself,
i am wondering about the strange Exhaust Tipes ...





in Augost 1966 the ad is shoed with 6S398 and another Car is test drived

The Car wears other Licence Plate ( Nr. will edith asap) and nice Inter-Sport Sticker at the rear end.

















Greets from Germany

Stephan





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Stephan,
Could the Ivy Green 66 be 6S923 owned and raced by Claude Dubois?
My friend Roland in Sweden owns that car now and it still has a Panhard Rod
on the car and the holes in the rear floorboard for the seatbelt harness.
The pictures show it as it looks today.
Texas Swede

Hello Texas Swede,

i didnt have the SFM Number but i try to read in the French Forum where i found this Pic

One Person says about 5 Cars who are import to Filipinetti (Switzerland) Performance Ltd.
a other Person says that was a Car of "Hughes Hazard" that was bought in Paris, Car Shop named "Savoy"

one person called himself 6S772, this is another Car in ivy green, first deliverd into Zürich

They called also about 6s923 and also Woflgang Kohrn give a reply who had visit your friend in his garage
http://www.ponysite.de/sweden1.htm







« Last Edit: December 08, 2021, 05:11:19 AM by Szabo »

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Patrick Felbelman, 6S772, Wissembourg hill climb, May 21st. '67, France ?  delivered in Zurich, Switzerland, as noted in reply 16 by

 Stephan.

Mike
« Last Edit: December 08, 2021, 04:37:04 PM by honker »

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A bit more background on the delivery channels:
Acc. to Howards list he sent me back then a few more than 70 66 Shelbys were sent via Ford Advanced Vehicles/UK headed by John Wyer, which was the preferred channel capable and in charge to import Ford USA cars early on.

Claude Dubois sold 9 66 Shelbys at the early Jan 66 Bruxelles Motor show, but his orders to Ford Belgium were not processed by them, so he got them from FAV. 6S923 is one of them that came in via FAV to Belgium in 1966. He was a direct importer from 1.1.1967 on after a deal was made with CS.

Alan Mann sold at least 12 Shelby GT350 sitting for 3 month at FAV, I think at and after the London Racing Show Nov. 65.

« Last Edit: December 08, 2021, 05:09:11 PM by TransamEd »

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Thanks,
Here is a copy of the registration of 6S923 by Claude Dubois in Belgium.
The strange thing is the date of the document, 1970. Where and owned by whom
during the 4 years after it arrived in England and before it came into the hands of
Mr. Dubois.
Texas Swede

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Claude Dubois used the same P.V.A. 40259 (procès vebal d'agrément) for all Shelbys 67-71 and the GT250......(those were the times). As far as I know Belgium typically used P.V.Gs, so there is another thing to interpret or research, what type of car approval was really used to get the Shelbys in Belgium on the road. The name Shelby Cobra may indicate something around the source of paperwork.

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Thanks,
Here is a copy of the registration of 6S923 by Claude Dubois in Belgium.
The strange thing is the date of the document, 1970. Where and owned by whom
during the 4 years after it arrived in England and before it came into the hands of
Mr. Dubois.
Texas Swede

Hello Texas Swede,

is it possible to get a higher resolution Pic from that ???, i want to check something and hope to help when
read word by word.


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Re: 1966 Shelbys en France - Rechercher une information / Looking for Infos
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2021, 05:01:33 PM »
Hello everyone, thank you very much for all of your input,
at the moment more questions than solutions arise with every new find or tip.

First of all I would like to thank "JoePhil",
 who supports me in the search with lots of information and pictures, I learn something new every day.

I have decided to write a separate article about every known car,
with new pictures or contexts we might get on.

I would like to start with the existing SFM numbers, with the associated images and data

SFM 6 S 398 aka "398 SR 75"

the following data is available:

White, LeMans Top Stripe, Cragar Wheels

03.12.1965 shipped to FAV (SAAC Registry 2019)
18.01.1965 still at FAV, issued Credit

NEW 10.12.21 = 04.1966 Sport Auto Magazin, Poster with Jo Schlesser, Cragar, special Exhaust Tips

06.1966 Sport Auto Magazin "Special Le Mans" 08/1966 Plate 398 SR 75, showed Painted Magnum Wheels
08.1966 Sport Auto Magazin, same advertisement
Date unkown, but befor 1968, Chantal Schlesser Pic
Date unkown but befor 1968 (Jo Schlesser died 1968) colored negative pic,
purchased at PLASSART, TRIGANO, ca. 1973 ROCHER and others (See Registry 2019)




« Last Edit: December 10, 2021, 05:43:30 PM by Szabo »

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Re: 1966 Shelbys en France - Rechercher une information / New: Number by Number
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2021, 05:43:43 PM »
This is the second car that some data is available on

SFM 6 S 397

White, according to the Registry LeMans Top Stripes, Cragar rims

Unfortunately, there is no secured photo, but accord to the SAAC Register 2019
there is the following data

03.12.1965 shipped to FAV (SAAC Registry 2019)
18.01.1965 still at FAV, issued Credit
19.04.1966 shipped to Intersport
20.03.1967 unknown warranty work at Intersport
personal car Jo Schlesser, Mr. Guaffon, 1974 Mr. Afchain

((It should be the first two vehicles together with 398
Intersport, so we assume that it might have been the vehicle from the Sport Auto Test 8/1966,
however, the vehicle had no LeMans Top Stripes))
« Last Edit: December 09, 2021, 05:45:22 PM by Szabo »

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Re: 1966 Shelbys en France - Rechercher une information / New: Number by Number
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2021, 05:46:51 AM »
i remember talking with Rzepkowicz in Automedon few years ago  about 6S747 red car , (his car in 1971) and 6S636 green car been racing in France...
i found in 427racing magazine a list and i checked in registry the list of intersport cars officially imported:
 397,398 ,465,467 WHITE and 797 BLUE and 1071 RED car Sold by INTERSPORT .

But few other car have been imported in France and not in this list :
6S948  white car is for sale in france now, 6S776 is hiden somewhere ...6S772 is a well known car and i saw it few times, 6S405 i inspected this car few years ago( 2017 )when it was for sale , it's still in france but came from switzerland .
I know one is in north of france hidden too but i can't find the serial number ...

(there is a blue one in autopassion 6 AVRIL 1987 ,554DB13 , it has the "intersport sticker" .i guess it's 797.)
when i ll have time i will check on AUTODIVA if i can find out infos , but ususaly they are talking about owner and registration number and not SFM ...

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Re: 1966 Shelbys en France - Rechercher une information / New: Number by Number
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2021, 10:46:51 AM »
In 1982, I visited Claude Dubois' shop in Brussels to look at a white 1966 GT350.
6S944. However, we couldn't agree on the price (USD1500) difference.
I was later told #944 went to France.
Texas Swede

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Re: 1966 Shelbys en France - Rechercher une information / New: Number by Number
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2021, 05:15:38 PM »
i remember talking with Rzepkowicz in Automedon few years ago  about 6S747 red car , (his car in 1971) and 6S636 green car been racing in France...
i found in 427racing magazine a list and i checked in registry the list of intersport cars officially imported:
 397,398 ,465,467 WHITE and 797 BLUE and 1071 RED car Sold by INTERSPORT .

But few other car have been imported in France and not in this list :
6S948  white car is for sale in france now, 6S776 is hiden somewhere ...6S772 is a well known car and i saw it few times, 6S405 i inspected this car few years ago( 2017 )when it was for sale , it's still in france but came from switzerland .
I know one is in north of france hidden too but i can't find the serial number ...

(there is a blue one in autopassion 6 AVRIL 1987 ,554DB13 , it has the "intersport sticker" .i guess it's 797.)
when i ll have time i will check on AUTODIVA if i can find out infos , but ususaly they are talking about owner and registration number and not SFM ...

Thank you for your input,

do have any archiv pics or other datas for that "new to the Party" Vins ?

Sounds that you see some car personal and lived also in French, very cool.


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Re: 1966 Shelbys en France - Rechercher une information / New: Number by Number
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2021, 05:27:36 PM »
i will go on with the next numbers and datas that i found

SFM 6 S 465

White, no LeMans Stripe

30.12.1965 shipped to FAV, SAAC Registry 2019
22.02.1967 Intersport unkown warranty work
14.05.1967 Targa Florio, Plate 314 UD 75, "R" Bumper, Driver Henri Chemin / Claude Lego, Accident, Car destroyed and burnt out

The Car is intersting that it seems to have not sell to a customer in 66,
on the Targa Florio Event it was raced (not the "R" Bumper, no rear Bumper) and have a big accident,
and even burnt out after the accident.

the Car is destroyed.


New 11.12.2021 - Pic from Backside, no rear Bumper installed






Any more Infos are welcome



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Re: 1966 Shelbys en France - Rechercher une information / New: Number by Number
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2021, 05:34:30 PM »
One More Car,

i have no Photo for that but will post the Dates anyway, hope to find a pic later

SFM 6 S 467

white, no LeMans Stripe

30.12.1965 shipped to FAV
19.10.1966 sold to 1st. Owner unkown
30.04.1970 resold owner unkown but Plate 863 JA 91
11.07.1972 Josep Sabatier Plate 474 NB 16
04.11.1988 Jean Nichel Doucet, France
15.08.2001 Burgol Racing Switzerland and modiefied for Competition



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i never saw the picture of the car on fire !!! where did you found this one ?