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Another nail in the coffin?
« on: April 29, 2022, 12:26:40 PM »
Today Ford pulled out of the SEMA show. (So did Honda but who cares).
What I see....... the ICE is dead at Ford
Ford has always passed out a few of their new Mustangs to modify and display by noted builders. Will that still happen or is the new "performance" Mustang as I predicted an Ecoboost V6 Hybrid?
Attendance was down last year but you still would not abandon the performance industry unless you were getting out of that business.

In an e-mail sent to Motor1.com, Ford explained the decision: "We are refining our approach to the annual SEMA Show to better reach and highlight how customers can personalize their Ford vehicles today and tomorrow.

Was the Mustang Lithium an omen?

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Re: Another nail in the coffin?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2022, 02:07:09 PM »
Ford should change their name from 'Ford Motor Company' to 'Ford, we buy Chinese Made batteries Company'. This is another reason Challenger is out selling Mustang. Ford should also pull out of NASCRAP. Waste of time and money. Let Chevy and Toyota (why in the hell is a non US manufacturer there?) play boogity, boogity, boogity. No one cares anymore.
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Re: Another nail in the coffin?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2022, 02:37:05 PM »
Too much unnecessary drama, Ford internal shows ICE through at least 2040


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Re: Another nail in the coffin?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2022, 03:04:57 PM »
NASCRAP and F1 have been totally taken over by US media hacks. It's all about social statements and creating drama to get millennial viewers.
Indy was the first to tank with spec cars. Today NASCAR suits are making their money selling spec cars not hosting races. Compare a mid 80s Roush TransAm car to today's "stockcar". Tube frame, V8, Mustang, Camaro (soon to be Challenger?) body, center lock wheels (but smaller than TA). Yep the "new" NASCAR is only 40 years behind the times.
Let's see a video of this one against a new NASPILE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70zPSEjKgsU
This one has been updated to the 358" engine max (750+HP). Mine is a back marker today with its 310" 650HP but would probably still out run a current car.
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Re: Another nail in the coffin?
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2022, 03:19:28 PM »
Too much unnecessary drama, Ford internal shows ICE through at least 2040
Yep they'll be building ICE for their big trucks a lot longer than for their cars and trucks under the F550. Ford will make the corporate decision to abandon small rural markets where people need ICE due to distances involved - after all they don't care if they PO their 3 dealers in Wyoming.
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Re: Another nail in the coffin?
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2022, 04:06:43 PM »
With all this nonsense going electric, Toyota says not so fast. Think about that. When a major manufacturer like Toyota says it will not abandon ICE, that says a lot. Ford and GM are fools...again. Caught with their pants down. When the next administration takes the White House in 2024, all this crap will end.
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Re: Another nail in the coffin?
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2022, 04:23:49 PM »
In my opinion, the trend towards electric is set and will happen.  The only question is how fast and which companies want to be seen as market leaders or followers, or both depending on their fleet of vehicles and target markets.  LOTS of people are buying into the transition especially with gas prices as they are now and in the end consumers will make choices and manufacturers will respond as they think they should.  I highly doubt any political administration is going to significantly affect what happens going forward at this point unless they come out with massive rebates to accelerate the take up / make the switch more affordable. 

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Re: Another nail in the coffin?
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2022, 08:09:41 PM »
Everyone has a budget, everyone has a credit limit even FOMOCO.

The current world situation has made everyone adjust , us, the oligarchs
small companies and even large corporations.

If you haven't realized it yet your / our dollar doesn't  buy  what it did a few years ago.

Take a look at fuels you purchased a gallon for about $2 . Today that same gallon will cost you $4.

Take a look at food, clothes, restaurant dining etc and you will find that your / our dollar doesn't stretch as much as it did.

Just imagine what other cost cutting "programs" internal/external FOMOCO (and all the other large corporations) has or will implement beside not participating at SEMA.

So Even FOMOCO has to adjust or it will be extinguished

And I know this is just a moment in time, a cycle but hang on tightly
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Re: Another nail in the coffin?
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2022, 06:47:33 AM »
Ford will just start going to the consumer electronics show in Vegas to bring out their new vehicles.

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Re: Another nail in the coffin?
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2022, 08:13:00 AM »
Ford will just start going to the consumer electronics show in Vegas to bring out their new vehicles.

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They have already submitted an application and they will be placed by all the toasters and microwave section.....
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Re: Another nail in the coffin?
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2022, 11:24:16 AM »
Ford will just start going to the consumer electronics show in Vegas to bring out their new vehicles.

          Roy

They have already submitted an application and they will be placed by all the toasters and microwave section.....



While @ CES, Ford will showcase its products along with the porno stars. Air bags and more air bags...lol
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Re: Another nail in the coffin?
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2022, 09:03:11 AM »
I think the answer is who at "Detroit" is reading the "market"?

My feeling is that the vast majority of the "real market" doesn't care about maintaining the previous existing status quo on ICE"s particularly if it's main benefit is the "support" of the oil and gas industry.

It should be pointed out that the US is an "energy exporter". The US has a surplus of energy, but it goes to an open "worldwide" commodity market where the value is determined.


It has been the emergence of China as an oil consumer that has pushed the price of oil up. Oil prices get driven up and the US has to pay more to buy it's own oil back.

The real danger here is that China is actually in recession and their need is down. Should they recover anytime soon, the demand will increase exponentially as will the price at the pump.

The market feeling is that oil production is near full production NOW.

Is "Detroit" really reading that all wrong? Aren't "consumers" driving the demand for EV's as a "good time" to switch away from this Russian Roulette game with oil?


Personally my economic situation is not likely to improve in increasing my spendable income. It is very close now to my limit at what I CAN pay at the pump.

As a result, I'm finding it difficult to not find a 1,000 hp EV not an attractive thought. I don't know the actually issues those are going to create? I don't think anyone can yet? You can only speculate. Can it be any worse then the prospect of the "Dodge Boys" doing doughnuts at intersections when the lights change or paying $7.50 a gallon for Regular?



Maybe the 1,000hp EV is going to be too quite for me and the temptation to fall asleep while driving it combined with the blood rushing out of my brain from the excessive G forces will be my final demise? On the other hand I certainly won't be forking over $100 for a fill up. Pluses and minuses.


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Re: Another nail in the coffin?
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2022, 12:38:58 PM »
I think the answer is who at "Detroit" is reading the "market"?

My feeling is that the vast majority of the "real market" doesn't care about maintaining the previous existing status quo on ICE"s particularly if it's main benefit is the "support" of the oil and gas industry.

It should be pointed out that the US is an "energy exporter". The US has a surplus of energy, but it goes to an open "worldwide" commodity market where the value is determined.


It has been the emergence of China as an oil consumer that has pushed the price of oil up. Oil prices get driven up and the US has to pay more to buy it's own oil back.

The real danger here is that China is actually in recession and their need is down. Should they recover anytime soon, the demand will increase exponentially as will the price at the pump.

The market feeling is that oil production is near full production NOW.

Is "Detroit" really reading that all wrong? Aren't "consumers" driving the demand for EV's as a "good time" to switch away from this Russian Roulette game with oil?


Personally my economic situation is not likely to improve in increasing my spendable income. It is very close now to my limit at what I CAN pay at the pump.

As a result, I'm finding it difficult to not find a 1,000 hp EV not an attractive thought. I don't know the actually issues those are going to create? I don't think anyone can yet? You can only speculate. Can it be any worse then the prospect of the "Dodge Boys" doing doughnuts at intersections when the lights change or paying $7.50 a gallon for Regular?



Maybe the 1,000hp EV is going to be too quite for me and the temptation to fall asleep while driving it combined with the blood rushing out of my brain from the excessive G forces will be my final demise? On the other hand I certainly won't be forking over $100 for a fill up. Pluses and minuses.


Ah, bah humbug! Everybody go away and let me live in my fantasies. You're bumming everyone out.



Sorry, no. Your statement that we are an oil exporter is incorrect. We are very restricted on drilling anymore (thanks to the current Donkey/ass party), while BOZO killed over 50K+ jobs with a swipe of his pen. WE used to be energy independent under Trump. Funny how liberals 'think' electric is the great saving grace. Ever wonder where electric comes from? The current electric grid can't keep up now...imagine all of these cars charging at 5pm...rolling blackouts for days. Want to drive across country, or simply drive from LA to Vegas on one charge..forget it. And lastly, your electric bill for charging your blessed EV will be in the thousands. Did you know these lithium batteries come from China, AND are more dirty in land fills? Doesn't so good now, does it?
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Re: Another nail in the coffin?
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2022, 12:47:11 PM »
I think the answer is who at "Detroit" is reading the "market"?

There is a big difference in being energy independent - making enough in your own county and having to go begging to OPEC to increase production.
We don't have enough energy to charge all those cars that are proposed.
You will be paying more to charge your car - plans are already in place for a road tax and home charging stations will be separate systems or have a surcharge for vehicle charging. They kicking around the idea of reverse charging - that is where when your car is plugged in they can draw energy from it to support the grid when supplies are low. In the end your price per mile will be the same for gas or electric. I have never seen them tout an electric car as the economical way to travel.
Your gas prices are high for only ONE reason - production is down and we're buying on the open market.
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Re: Another nail in the coffin?
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2022, 01:00:56 PM »
Kinda funny (not really, just a bunch of hypocrites) that all of these 'greenies' in the current BOZO administration that are screaming "Buy electric cars!" not one of them actually owns one.
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1968 GT-350--Gold
1970 GT-500--#3129--Grabber Orange.
Current lifelong project:
1969 Mustang Fastback/FOX chassis, 5 speed, 4 wheel discs, with a modern Can-Am 494 (Boss 429), Kaase heads, intake with a 1425 cfm 'B' Autolite Inline carb, ala Trans-Am style…Whew!!