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Re: 1969 Boss 302 versus Chevy DZ302
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2022, 02:54:06 PM »
My good friend Tom McIntyre (long-time CSX3000 owner) also owns/restored/vintage races the '68 T/A champion Camaro of Penske/Donahue. 

A lot of you have probably seen it run. Bitchin car.



Van,
Yes seen Tom with his Camaro (and Cobra) at Willow many, many times. Years ago, I also have been to his old business/shop near the DWP in Burbank.
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1969 Mustang Fastback/FOX chassis, 5 speed, 4 wheel discs, with a modern Can-Am 494 (Boss 429), Kaase heads, intake with a 1425 cfm 'B' Autolite Inline carb, ala Trans-Am style…Whew!!

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Re: 1969 Boss 302 versus Chevy DZ302
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2022, 03:05:18 PM »
Tom is one of the best people I've ever met.  We've been friends since 1980.

His Lake St location is still being used for the business.   
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Re: 1969 Boss 302 versus Chevy DZ302
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2022, 03:40:47 PM »
Tom is one of the best people I've ever met.  We've been friends since 1980.

His Lake St location is still being used for the business.   



Van,
Yes, that was it. I remember he made a lot of the 69-70 Shelby stuff.
Past owned Shelby's:
1968 GT-350--Gold
1970 GT-500--#3129--Grabber Orange.
Current lifelong project:
1969 Mustang Fastback/FOX chassis, 5 speed, 4 wheel discs, with a modern Can-Am 494 (Boss 429), Kaase heads, intake with a 1425 cfm 'B' Autolite Inline carb, ala Trans-Am style…Whew!!

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Re: 1969 Boss 302 versus Chevy DZ302
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2022, 04:21:37 PM »
Roy,
Absolutely correct. Penske/Donohue were a force to be reckoned with. Remember, the book "The Unfair Advantage"? It was true...
Anyways, Chevy won '69, and Ford won 1970. Both excellent cars, and teams. We will never see it again...at least we can 'relive it' @ the vintage races!

Very true, I've been to dozens of vintage races. I also lucked out in finding 2 brand new original copies of The Unfair Advantage in a huge book store in Oakland back in the mid eighties and sold one to Ken Epsman because I knew he was looking for one.

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Re: 1969 Boss 302 versus Chevy DZ302
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2022, 04:29:29 PM »
I was working at the local Chevy dealer (HS auto shop work experience) when their 1st 1967 Z28 rolled off the trailer. The UAW guys couldn't figure out how to install the Hurst shifter so I was tasked with fixing it. The trans/rearend guy I was working with told me to take it for a "good" test drive. Since school was just getting out that is where I took it to do some burnouts. When I got back the tuneup guy stuck it on the chassis dyno they had and he guestimated it was making 430+ hp at the crank.
That was the same engine design Chevy used for the whole series. After 67 Ford was playing catchup. The TP heads might have worked if Ford had let Shelby build the engines but the UAW guys didn't have the necessary tools/skills/parts to do it right. The cloned big block Chevy heads on the 302 did work but too many other problems beset the teams.
Penske perfected his wheel changing on pitstops when he changed the Javelins to 4 lug wheels - 20% less time tightening lugnuts - can anyone say "Unfair Advantage"?

Don't you mean 330 hp? This is from a write up about Tom's car on the Historic Trans AM website:

This first-generation Camaro Z-28 looks surprisingly stock except for the small front and rear spoilers. However, they had excellent underpinnings from the factory and could be turned into extremely competitive racing cars.

With huge intake and exhaust valves, the 302 V8 had potential for lots of power, and with the most careful assembly and blueprinting, as much as 440 bhp could be produced.

I know Tom pretty good also. We had our picture in an issue of Autoweek back in March of 1988

       Roy



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Re: 1969 Boss 302 versus Chevy DZ302
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2022, 09:57:00 PM »
As much as I despised Camaros due to high school rivalry and insults I endured with my little 69 Mustang coupe, I have evolved to grudgingly accept and agree that the first generation Camaros were great looking with great engines.
"Low she sits on five spoke wheels
Small block eight so live she feels
There she's parked beside the curb
Engine revving to disturb
She's the princess from his past
Red paint gold stripes damned she's fast"

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Re: 1969 Boss 302 versus Chevy DZ302
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2022, 10:28:05 PM »
Don't you mean 330 hp?

Yes - said 290 (if I remember) on the air cleaner - it was 55 years ago.
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