Author Topic: 1964 Ford Falcon Race car, Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale  (Read 8080 times)

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Re: 1964 Ford Falcon Race car, Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2020, 10:14:01 PM »
Here you can see how the 63 striker panels are still there with 64 quarters welded to them.

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Re: 1964 Ford Falcon Race car, Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2022, 10:54:23 PM »
The second owner apparently was Jim Harrell. I remember seeing it in his shop 1969(?)
when he was racing his "69 Mustang in A Sedan and selected Trans Am races.
Jim is still building "special" cars in the Carolinas. He may be a good resource for answering
questions from that era. I seem to remember that some of the photos in the Boss 302
Chassis Manual were of his '69 build.

Tom,
I don't recall where I found this or the caption info, it's noted as 70 Daytona Jim Harrell.

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Re: 1964 Ford Falcon Race car, Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2022, 11:04:23 PM »
Thanks for posting, just noticed what looks to be a '67 Shelby behind the photographers.

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Re: 1964 Ford Falcon Race car, Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2022, 07:52:42 AM »
The second owner apparently was Jim Harrell. I remember seeing it in his shop 1969(?)
when he was racing his "69 Mustang in A Sedan and selected Trans Am races.
Jim is still building "special" cars in the Carolinas. He may be a good resource for answering
questions from that era. I seem to remember that some of the photos in the Boss 302
Chassis Manual were of his '69 build.

Tom,
I don't recall where I found this or the caption info, it's noted as 70 Daytona Jim Harrell.

regards
jim p

Is that a Shelby in the background?  Looks like a 67.

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Re: 1964 Ford Falcon Race car, Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2022, 10:45:29 AM »
Kudos to whoever painted the blue car pictured above.  It would have been tempting to have finish welded the quarters and cleaned all of that up - and a big mistake . ..

I think I have seen the orange car at Monterey.  Cool car!

John

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Re: 1964 Ford Falcon Race car, Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2022, 02:51:32 PM »
This car has ZERO ties to Shelby history other than being built by a guy who drove for CS "It was driven and built by Shelby team driver Bob Johnson". It never ran TA in period so it's not eligible for the Historic TA group (where the cars bring big money). Here is the page on the rebodied 63 http://www.historictransam.com/Drivers/MikeEddy64Falcon17.html - They are trying to hype this car as special and of big historical importance. It isn't - but it is a neat A Sedan race car that was raced by a noted driver. But that hype will also need to be backed up with the original log books which are not mentioned in the spiel. Also are the FIA papers included merely a printout of the historic file  https://historicdb.fia.com/  in the FIA website or a current (and expensive) inspection report by the FIA showing the car conforms to the historic build requirements anf therefore legal to compete in European historic races like Goodwood (PS you can build a car today with zero history and the FIA will license it for Euro historic racing - one of the continuation R Models has been certified)?

With FG parts it was not TA legal until after 1972 when SCCA began to allow fiberglass parts for transam cars. That became known as the 2nd era. The "modern era" began in 1980 with full tube frame cars - that still required the use of a factory stamped steel roof section. The rest of the body could be FG and up to 80" wide. These were known as silhouette cars. By the early 90s the whole body could be FG.
This is a page from the 1972 GCR for TA cars.
That being said when Ford did the FIA paperwork they did allow FG panels and the SCCA did follow FIA rules for sedan cars. This is from FIA appendix J for Touring cars - 6413F - 1964 Falcon Sprint. The 999 serial number means nothing they started a 00001. The second is from the FIA paperwork.
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Re: 1964 Ford Falcon Race car, Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2022, 03:33:23 PM »
98SVT - was 06GT.  Before you make a judgment on this car and its eligibility to run in the HTAG, you may want to do some additional research.  You are correct, it has no ties to Shelby American, however, according to the second owner - Jim Harrell, it does have TA history(this has been documented by me and Craig Conley)......................and has participated with the HTAG in recent events.  Gary

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Re: 1964 Ford Falcon Race car, Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2022, 04:33:43 PM »
98SVT - was 06GT.  Before you make a judgment on this car and its eligibility to run in the HTAG, you may want to do some additional research.  You are correct, it has no ties to Shelby American, however, according to the second owner - Jim Harrell, it does have TA history(this has been documented by me and Craig Conley)......................and has participated with the HTAG in recent events.  Gary
There is NO mention in the ad of it having run a TransAm race in period. It would also have been illegal as a TA car with the FG parts until 1973. Which TA races did it run? If that TA history is well documented (photos, log books, race results) somebody stole this car at 80 grand. TA history "according to owner" doesn't cut it.
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Re: 1964 Ford Falcon Race car, Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2022, 04:37:52 PM »
I dont have the history in front of me......

In interviews with many of the drivers in period, many of these 'details' were overlooked in the interest of a full field.

And frankly, this is an old ad, Conley bought the car....and I really dont have the time or desire to prove it here.

Gary

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Re: 1964 Ford Falcon Race car, Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale
« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2022, 12:30:25 PM »
1967-Sebring 4 Hour-Trans-Am race #2:

#33-13th oa/started 13th on the grid-Bob Johnson/Don Sesslar-Ford Falcon

https://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1967/Sebring-1967-04-01t-033.jpg


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Re: 1964 Ford Falcon Race car, Barrett-Jackson Scottsdale
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2022, 12:47:10 PM »
1967-Sebring 4 Hour-Trans-Am race #2:
Somebody stole that car should have hit $120-150 if they had pushed TA history - even 1 race counts.
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